[ManniX-ITA]

Self-quote time!

Don't know how it happened

 

[henson0115]

so figured out my issue was not with gen 3/gen 4 pci, but simpy f33a is unstable at stock settings, rolling back to f31 fixed my issues. anyone who is not using stock settings for the cpu will likely not face the issue, but is anyone at stock cpu and xmp seeing issues with random reboots on f32 or f33a. not bsods or event log entries other than unsafe shutdown. seems like ram timings have changed or a cpu setting has changed. in any case stock settings are not stable on f32 or f33. but are in old bios revisions.

 

[IcemanUK85]

so figured out my issue was not with gen 3/gen 4 pci, but simpy f33a is unstable at stock settings, rolling back to f31 fixed my issues. anyone who is not using stock settings for the cpu will likely not face the issue, but is anyone at stock cpu and xmp seeing issues with random reboots on f32 or f33a. not bsods or event log entries other than unsafe shutdown. seems like ram timings have changed or a cpu setting has changed. in any case stock settings are not stable on f32 or f33. but are in old bios revisions.

This is interesting, I have been fighting random shut downs and instability, checked every component on my build and had boiled it down to Mobo.. Like you no bsod or errors, just kernel power critical errors in the events log. changing the psu didnt help. Going to roll the bios back to F30 to see if that helps.

 

[iNeri]

Hey @ManniX-ITA, I've been running my 5900X with these settings stable since November:
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I recently changed my 1080 Ti to a 6800 XT - since then I've experienced idle crashes (and especially between two high-load Handbrake encodes).

This CPU doesn't want to run 1800 with those low voltages anymore. Have you ever experienced something like this?

I tried 975 VDDG IOD and 1050 VSOC to no avail (although it crashed less frequently). Now I'm in the middle of testing 1000 VDDG IOD and 1100 VSOC.

Upping LLC didn't help, either.


This is quite disconcerting. The only thing I've changed is the GPU.

Any ideas?

Did you have hwinfo64 open when this happened?

Close it and try again with pcie Gen 4 enabled

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[Hammerkeg]

so figured out my issue was not with gen 3/gen 4 pci, but simpy f33a is unstable at stock settings, rolling back to f31 fixed my issues. anyone who is not using stock settings for the cpu will likely not face the issue, but is anyone at stock cpu and xmp seeing issues with random reboots on f32 or f33a. not bsods or event log entries other than unsafe shutdown. seems like ram timings have changed or a cpu setting has changed. in any case stock settings are not stable on f32 or f33. but are in old bios revisions.

Similar issues. 3950X though. Both stability issues with overclock, and USB issues with standard settings. Currently switched back to F31 and everything is fine.

Yes at least, I use 1.16V usually (better performances).

VDDP should be 900mV or less; rarely is needed more.
CCD depends on the sample; my 5950x needs at least 1000mV for best performances, 950mV works, below audio is crackling.

Do you know what recommended voltages would be for a 3950X? Tried 5950X ones, but it was quite unstable.

 

[panni]

Did you have hwinfo64 open when this happened?

Yes I did. Why? Is there a known issue?

 

[iNeri]

Yes I did. Why? Is there a known issue?

It's seem so, let me search for you the thread on the official mumak forum.

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[LionAlonso]

It's seem so, let me search for you the thread on the official mumak forum.

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Wow, this seems interesting.
Although i havent any problemas with gen 4 and hw info open.
And i keep voltages very low for 1900FCLK

 

[iNeri]

Wow, this seems interesting.
Although i havent any problemas with gen 4 and hw info open.
And i keep voltages very low for 1900FCLK

Only happens with 6800 series gpu. There you go.

Is HWiNFO causing the dreaded WHEA-Logger Event ID XX Cache Hierarchy Errors and sudden reboots on AMD Ryzen systems?

Hello everyone: A couple of users and myself have been suffering sudden reboots with our computers composed of Ryzen CPU systems (Ryzen 3000, but especially 5000) under different load conditions. The quickest way for us to trigger it, however, has been by using software designed to test RAM...

www.hwinfo.com

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[gassymancan]

Good to know. Yeah sounds like we're primarily still in the waiting game. What RAM do you have? From what I can tell, the only people who've had any luck making >=1900 work is some really nice b-die + some extremely high-end mobos like Dark Hero or something, and honestly I'm kinda skeptical a whole lot of them are completely WHEA-free but in any case I haven't seen any concrete evidence people have made it work with Micron e-die (which I have) and WHEA-free yet.

I'm still only on F31 (non-beta) myself but yeah I could only get 1:1 1900 IF to boot with some very high voltages and very loose timing settings (high tRFC and jedec secondary timings) and pushing ProcODT down, but it would pretty much instantly crash Windows about 1minute into booting up. Nothing I could change seemed to help increase post-boot stability at all. Otherwise with even more reasonably voltages or better pinned down timings it just wouldn't even boot most of the time.

In general though I'm okay sticking with 1867, the difference in performance at 1867 vs 1900 is probably pretty negligible but would be nice to have it work at some point in the future.

I'm running pretty high binned ram. Hopefully that isn't it. B die tridentz rgb 4x8 gb 4000 mhz cl 15-16-16-36 at 1.5v. I'm running a 5950x on an aorus master x570 rev 1.0. I'd be salty if it was the board itself but also not surprised as it was developed 2 years ago now. Ram runs fine at XMP with lower IF values. Just that magical >1867 that seems to make it mad. I just ordered a mobo cooling block so if the mobo is the problem then I'll be one sad panda. I figured i'd give it 2-3 months for now, 6 max.

 

[ManniX-ITA]

I'm running pretty high binned ram. Hopefully that isn't it. B die tridentz rgb 4x8 gb 4000 mhz cl 15-16-16-36 at 1.5v. I'm running a 5950x on an aorus master x570 rev 1.0. I'd be salty if it was the board itself but also not surprised as it was developed 2 years ago now. Ram runs fine at XMP with lower IF values. Just that magical >1867 that seems to make it mad. I just ordered a mobo cooling block so if the mobo is the problem then I'll be one sad panda. I figured i'd give it 2-3 months for now, 6 max.

Sorry but the Master Rev 1.0 is awful with memory and particularly with B-die.
It's the reason why I bought an MSI Unify-X.
I have a Trident-z RGB F4-4000C16-16GTZR kit.
The difference is astonishing; I can run timings and speeds that were out of reach with the Master.
They also run 5-10c cooler which means I can go to much higher error-free VDIMM without additional cooling.

 

[panni]

Only happens with 6800 series gpu. There you go.

Is HWiNFO causing the dreaded WHEA-Logger Event ID XX Cache Hierarchy Errors and sudden reboots on AMD Ryzen systems?

Hello everyone: A couple of users and myself have been suffering sudden reboots with our computers composed of Ryzen CPU systems (Ryzen 3000, but especially 5000) under different load conditions. The quickest way for us to trigger it, however, has been by using software designed to test RAM...

www.hwinfo.com

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Wow, this is super interesting. Thanks for pointing me to that thread.

I'm not 100% certain this is exactly my issue, as upping voltages has somewhat changed the timing of the occurrences.

Going back to PCIE Gen3 immediately fixed it.

 

[lum-x]

Sorry but the Master Rev 1.0 is awful with memory and particularly with B-die.
It's the reason why I bought an MSI Unify-X.
I have a Trident-z RGB F4-4000C16-16GTZR kit.
The difference is astonishing; I can run timings and speeds that were out of reach with the Master.
They also run 5-10c cooler which means I can go to much higher error-free VDIMM without additional cooling.

So you had Master Rev 1.0 I suppose. I always thought you had 1.1 at least. Revision 1.2 as I know has just a Realtek LAN firmware update that is not possible to do via bios so in terms on Memory OC 1.1 and 1.2 should be the same. By pure guessing can you say what will be the difference between Master 1.1/1.2 and MSI Unify-X (i know MSI has the best AMD motherboards especialy when it comes to Memory OC)

 

[ManniX-ITA]

So you had Master Rev 1.0 I suppose. I always thought you had 1.1 at least. Revision 1.2 as I know has just a Realtek LAN firmware update that is not possible to do via bios so in terms on Memory OC 1.1 and 1.2 should be the same. By pure guessing can you say what will be the difference between Master 1.1/1.2 and MSI Unify-X (i know MSI has the best AMD motherboards especialy when it comes to Memory OC)

Yes unfortunately I bought a 1.0, Rel 1.1/1.2 are on par with other X570 boards.
MSI is pretty good with memory OC but the Unify-X is particularly good because it only has 2 slots.
Shorter traces and all the goodness of no T-Topology/Daisy chain splitting.
It's in general better than any 4 DIMMs slot board.

 

[Alex0401]

Yes unfortunately I bought a 1.0, Rel 1.1/1.2 are on par with other X570 boards.
MSI is pretty good with memory OC but the Unify-X is particularly good because it only has 2 slots.
Shorter traces and all the goodness of no T-Topology/Daisy chain splitting.
It's in general better than any 4 DIMMs slot board.

Why then doesn't Gigabyte change its motherboards rev 1.0 to rev1.1 or rev2.0 for buyers?

 

[ManniX-ITA]

Why then doesn't Gigabyte change its motherboards rev 1.0 to rev1.1 or rev2.0 for buyers?

Cause that's business..
Not that AMD swapped my 3800x with a 3800xt, you know. I'd like that but that's not how it works

What I found extremely unpleasant is that such a high end-board works extremely bad with B-die in particular.
It's much worse than any x570 board of that time and it's unbelievable it wasn't thoroughly tested with B-die.
Broken design from Gigabyte, wrong and rushed choice from me.

 

[Alex0401]

Yes unfortunately I bought a 1.0, Rel 1.1/1.2 are on par with other X570 boards.
MSI is pretty good with memory OC but the Unify-X is particularly good because it only has 2 slots.
Shorter traces and all the goodness of no T-Topology/Daisy chain splitting.
It's in general better than any 4 DIMMs slot board.

I also bought X570 AORUS MASTER (rev. 1.0). And after that, Gigabyte released two revisions in a few months. and I, who paid 350 euros for a product, must with a pain in my heart realize that I was a fool by buying the X570 AORUS MASTER (rev. 1.0). I will never buy a Gigabyte motherboard again ..

 

[Alex0401]

Cause that's business..
Not that AMD swapped my 3800x with a 3800xt, you know. I'd like that but that's not how it works

What I found extremely unpleasant is that such a high end-board works extremely bad with B-die in particular.
It's much worse than any x570 board of that time and it's unbelievable it wasn't thoroughly tested with B-die.
Broken design from Gigabyte, wrong and rushed choice from me.

At that time, I followed the advice of the Hardware Unboxed YouTube channel. I will never listen to advice on YouTube again. they are deceivers who will sell their own mother for money;

and how does it work in the XMP mode of the RAM profile?

 

[ManniX-ITA]

At that time, I followed the advice of the Hardware Unboxed YouTube channel. I will never listen to advice on YouTube again. they are deceivers who will sell their own mother for money;

Well, the Master is also highly prided by BuildZoid and many others.
The Rel 1.1/1.2 has its own strong points, along many bad others.

Obviously YouTube reviewers are not using the boards in general; they just quickly review them.
Most of the bad stuff comes out after a while you use a board.
But it's still better than going blind.

Truth is there's not a single board manufacturer today that can be trusted, they are all performing awfully on one or other aspect.
MSI as well has its own problems; I did just settled in the Unify-X and I have already to send it back to RMA.
Their M-Flash application doesn't start anymore after I've flashed the last BIOS.
Restoring the BIOS via Flashback doesn't fix it, pretty awful...

 

[Hammerkeg]

I had so many issues with my Master 1.0 first 4 months, I had to RMA it 3 times, because updating the BIOS bricked the board. By that time 1.1 came out, and I got super mad that they just randomly decided to add a thunderbolt ports onto the board (there's even a place for the headers on the board, they're just not there!).
So yes, 1.0 was definitely rushed, and is quite borked.