[Zips]

Given the positive responses from both @ryouiki and @rob-tech I went ahead and updated my bios to F37 on my Elite. Thank you both so much for your information and feedback!

After updating, Windows' Security process details matches the version numbers in rob-tech's previous image. That's hopefully a good sign.

I'll test it out for a while to see if any issues are encountered. If so, I'll have the discrete TPM at the ready. If everything is good, then I'll have saved a few bucks.

Either way, I'll be sure to report back after some time with the machine to share my own results.

 

[Maulet//*//]

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Robert: What is "Manufacturer version"? (Mine is lower)

Thank you

 

[99belle99]

Robert: What is "Manufacturer version"? (Mine is lower)

Thank you

What board have you got as I have all the same details as he has in that picture.

 

[rod6700]

Catching up with this thread...

My TPM version for fTPM is the same as rob-tech has listed above (on F36 final). I have not seen any issues/stutters since fTPM was enabled regardless of what the system is doing (General Use/Browsing/Videos, Building OS Images, Code Compiling, Virtual Machines, Gaming, etc.). So hopefully it will work for you as well.

The external module hasn't seen any issues either, though I am not actively sitting at that system most of the day... one interesting note is the external module seems to take significantly longer to initialize / Windows to run maintenance tasks against it.

Are you running Bitlocker enabled?

 

[DocYoda]

I recently tried to OC my setup. Here are my results. Any comments on how I should do this right?

Specs:
5900X on Noctua U12A
Phanteks entho luxe, 3x140 exhaust, 2x140 intake, 1x140 rear exhaust
X570 Aorus Master X570 rev1.0, BIOS F32
16GBx4 (B-die) 3600Mhz @ 16-16-16-36 @1.360V
6800XT on adrenaline pro

 

[rob-tech]

Robert: What is "Manufacturer version"? (Mine is lower)

Thank you

Manufacturer version is the TPM vendor's firmware version, if yours is lower on an AMD AM4 system then upgrading the BIOS to the latest should increment it.

I've noticed that your signature has an Intel based system, if that is your system, the versioning is completely different and can't be compared to AMD's, discrete TPMs are also not updated using the BIOS, but an external firmware flash tool.

 

[superleeds27]

Given the positive responses from both @ryouiki and @rob-tech I went ahead and updated my bios to F37 on my Elite. Thank you both so much for your information and feedback!

After updating, Windows' Security process details matches the version numbers in rob-tech's previous image. That's hopefully a good sign.

I'll test it out for a while to see if any issues are encountered. If so, I'll have the discrete TPM at the ready. If everything is good, then I'll have saved a few bucks.

Either way, I'll be sure to report back after some time with the machine to share my own results.

Don't think I dare move from F21 on my elite.

Read too many horror stories on here, and how easy is it to flash back to a previous BIOS, now that the capsule thing is there?

 

[Zips]

Don't think I dare move from F21 on my elite.

Read too many horror stories on here, and how easy is it to flash back to a previous BIOS, now that the capsule thing is there?

What sort of horror stories? If it's anything related to overclocking I've no idea about that. I haven't touched that at all on this system, at least... not yet.

As for an update on F37: It seems super stable so far. It's going on what, 4-5 days now since I updated? Not a single TPM related stutter encountered. Last time I had fTPM enabled it'd have been about 3-4 stutters in the same span of time.

 

[superleeds27]

What sort of horror stories? If it's anything related to overclocking I've no idea about that. I haven't touched that at all on this system, at least... not yet.

As for an update on F37: It seems super stable so far. It's going on what, 4-5 days now since I updated? Not a single TPM related stutter encountered. Last time I had fTPM enabled it'd have been about 3-4 stutters in the same span of time.

Settings that were stable no longer being stable, newer bioses not being as stable with older CPUs like I have (3600)

Granted I pretty much run XMP and that's it!

I don't have the stutter either on Windows 11, with my current BIOS F21. Or I've yet to encounter it.

Can we flash back to previous revisions from F37? I know there was talk about once you hit F35 you can't downgrade, but not sure if GB reversed that change or not?

 

[Ramad]

Don't think I dare move from F21 on my elite.

Read too many horror stories on here, and how easy is it to flash back to a previous BIOS, now that the capsule thing is there?

I have the aorus pro. version 1.2 (not that it matters) and I can flash to any BIOS using Q-Flash. You can flash any BIOS using Q-flash as far as I know. It's not like flashing an ASUS motherboard which hinders downgrading the BIOS using EZ-Flash, I have not seen this restriction with Q-Flash.

 

[rod6700]

Can we flash back to previous revisions from F37? I know there was talk about once you hit F35 you can't downgrade, but not sure if GB reversed that change or not?
[/QUOTE]
From what I understand it may be possible to roll back BIOS using QFlash+ but not QFlash in BIOS. Initially Gigabyte said no roll back after F35 period but removed the reference after initial posting.

I have the aorus pro. version 1.2 (not that it matters) and I can flash to any BIOS using Q-Flash. You can flash any BIOS using Q-flash as far as I know. It's not like flashing an ASUS motherboard which hinders downgrading the BIOS using EZ-Flash, I have not seen this restriction with Q-Flash.

This goes back to whether or not you use QFlash+ or QFlash. F35 introduced capsule BIOS support which Asus has done for quite a while now. That is why QFlash or EZ-Flash does not allow roll back below F35 as I understand it. Have you actually tried rolling back to a pre capsule support BIOS using either QFlash or QFlash+?

Most horrifying thing about capsule BIOS? Windows Update has the ability to update your BIOS if used as designed. Past track record on drivers and Windows Update gives me a huge case of heartburn in regard to using it to update BIOS.

 

[Zips]

Settings that were stable no longer being stable, newer bioses not being as stable with older CPUs like I have (3600)

Granted I pretty much run XMP and that's it!

I don't have the stutter either on Windows 11, with my current BIOS F21. Or I've yet to encounter it.

Can we flash back to previous revisions from F37? I know there was talk about once you hit F35 you can't downgrade, but not sure if GB reversed that change or not?

Ah I see.

It's been solid for me so far on F37 for the Elite. I don't get into overclock stuff or adjusting voltages so maybe that's where a lot of the instability has come from for others. All I do is adjust the following or make sure the following are set properly after a BIOS update:

• XMP enabled
• ErP enabled
• CSM disabled
• SATA port hot plug disabled
• SVM enabled

And I just do a general check to make sure the proper boot order is good, numlock enabled at boot is on, and other housekeeping stuff like that is fine. I don't do resizable bar yet since I don't have a GPU that supports it yet. And again, no OC'ing for me and if I ever did, I'd probably just let PBO do its thing on its own. My days of tinkering too much with that are behind me.

As others have already mentioned, I'm pretty sure using QFlash+ would let you "downgrade" the BIOS if you needed to. I haven't tried it myself though. The only time I ever used that was when I first got the board and had to use that in order to add support for my 5900X.

 

[hitman1985]

Seems like the newest bios didn't like my xmp settings or alternate manual version. I'll be trying out pushing more power to it.

My build so far:
X570 master rev 1.0
5900x ry9
128gb Corsair vengeance RGB pro 3600
Samsung 980 pro 1tb
Samsung 970 plus 500gb
Samsung 860 500gb / 1tb and 2tb
WD sn750 500gb
WD 240gb SATA
Corsair 750 rmx
Lianli lancool 2
Nzxt z63 (push & pull)
All noctua black chromax fans
And the good ole EVGA 3080 ftw3 10gb

I think that's it.

Just got back into building this thing out of some time opening up. I hope to get back into the hobby a little more active. But realistically I believe that I'm sticking with this setup for a while as it seems pretty decent to work on excel 2013 and similar programs

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

 

[Ramad]

Can we flash back to previous revisions from F37? I know there was talk about once you hit F35 you can't downgrade, but not sure if GB reversed that change or not?

From what I understand it may be possible to roll back BIOS using QFlash+ but not QFlash in BIOS. Initially Gigabyte said no roll back after F35 period but removed the reference after initial posting.


This goes back to whether or not you use QFlash+ or QFlash. F35 introduced capsule BIOS support which Asus has done for quite a while now. That is why QFlash or EZ-Flash does not allow roll back below F35 as I understand it. Have you actually tried rolling back to a pre capsule support BIOS using either QFlash or QFlash+?

Most horrifying thing about capsule BIOS? Windows Update has the ability to update your BIOS if used as designed. Past track record on drivers and Windows Update gives me a huge case of heartburn in regard to using it to update BIOS.
[/QUOTE]

• Never update BIOS using Windows.
• Load optimized defaults before and after flashing a BIOS.
• Always update the Main BIOS alone first, if all goes well and you feel the need to update the backup BIOS then use the same BIOS version again to update both Main BIOS and Backup BIOS using the same BIOS version that exist on the Main BIOS, this will ensure that Main BIOS does not get flashed because the BIOS version already exists on Main BIOS. Q-flash will only check and compare the Main BIOS to the version you want to update the Backup BIOS to. You rarely need to do this if never, so always flash the Main BIOS and ignore the Backup BIOS.

- I think that all Gigabyte X570 motherboards have a Main and a Backup BIOS chips and Q-Flash+ (Flashback). The user can use Q-Flash+ (flashback) in a worst case scenario to flash back to any BIOS.

I made a short video that shows the process of flashing from a newer F36 BIOS (capsule) to an older F33 (non capsule) BIOS.

Last words: Don't flash a BIOS if you don't need to and don't flash a BIOS if you don't know what you are doing. I'm using F33 which is an older BIOS because it's the best for my hardware, newer BIOS does not always mean it's better for your system. Every one of us have different from the rest. Good luck

4 min. of an uninterpreted shaky video :

 

[Name Change]

It seems F37a has fixed all my issue so far on x570 master, usb disconnecting ram not stable at anything over 3600, whea errors and constant game crash to desktop. Been 3 days now not one ctd no usb constant disconnects. Went from F35 to F37a, ram is 3866 so far taking it slow.. Next step tighten timings. Had these problems for a year and was able to upgrade. Hopefully it stays stable.

 

[Zips]

- I think that all Gigabyte X570 motherboards have a Main and a Backup BIOS chips and Q-Flash+ (Flashback). The user can use Q-Flash+ (flashback) in a worst case scenario to flash back to any BIOS.

I just want to quickly note that the Elite doesn't have dual BIOS.

 

[rod6700]

• Never update BIOS using Windows.

100% agree as I always advise flashing within BIOS rather than Windows no matter who makes the board. Only brand that I will do a BIOS flash from Windows is Dell as they seem to have gotten it correct and it is the only way they offer to upgrade BIOS. Thanks for showing that you can indeed use QFlash to roll back BIOS to a pre capsule support version. I had seen some reports that the only way to roll back after capsule support was QFlash+ and have not personally tried it. I know that HP was testing updating BIOS using Windows Update at one point in limited basis but cannot say if they ever went all in on doing so. Horrible idea IMHO, big difference between a dodgy driver update that causes BSOD and bricked hardware.

 

[KW0225]

It seems F37a has fixed all my issue so far on x570 master, usb disconnecting ram not stable at anything over 3600, whea errors and constant game crash to desktop. Been 3 days now not one ctd no usb constant disconnects. Went from F35 to F37a, ram is 3866 so far taking it slow.. Next step tighten timings. Had these problems for a year and was able to upgrade. Hopefully it stays stable.

May flash F37a tomorrow, I have had stability issues with PBO and RAM above 3600 MHz on F36. I thought everything was good for a few days until I had some random crashes and had to start dialing back my curve optimizer.

 

[ryouiki]

Are you running Bitlocker enabled?

Sorry been busy lately,

I ran fTPM and the add-on TPM both with Bitlocker on the primary OS volume, didn't seem to make any noticeable difference (besides small benchmark loss due to the encryption). I didn't bitlocker the secondary volume since it is only used by Steam.

At this point I've moved both systems to the add-on modules... might as well use them since they are already here.

Meanwhile AM4/X570 is quite funny... I decided to discontinue the use of NVME raid on one system (that has been stable for nearly a year), so I deleted the array, wiped the NVME drives and reinstalled Windows using Microsoft NVME driver (no other BIOS etc. related changes). Then about two hours later the entire system went down from a hard WHEA/cache hierarchy error... go figure

 

[Nekrogeddon]

Does curve optimizer even work in F37a for the Master? I negative offset all cores to -30 and run a cinebench r23 with no crashing, tbh I have no crashes while in F34 my 2 best cores needed some more voltage