[Kung Pow]

I intentionally got a second GTX 295 for Quad SLI because I wanted vast benchmarking performance,save money and skip Fermi.

Lately I have been having some stability problems with the cards ....I just could not figure out what the problem was I checked everything ..so I decided to sell them.

Some noob bought both for 500€ /720$.
So now I am thinking what will provide me with the same or at least almost equal performance as my GTX 295 Quad setup?
Just for orientation I hit 41.000P on Vantage easily with both cards on 740/1540/1240 without a Volt Mod.

Here my thoughts:

1.)GTX 560TI SLI (max overclock)
2.)GTX 580 (1 GHZ core clock...although I very much doubt that this card will even remotely scratch my Quad setup deliverd)
3.)Just get other used GTX 295 for a Quad setup and save the money (although I don´t need the extra cash at the moment and could spend it all)

So what do you think?
Got some suggestions?

 

[blackbalt89]

Sli 570s. Preferably non reference.

Good setup there. Or get a 6990.

 

[AllLeafs]

I woul've said get a new DX 11 card but....where ther $#%#$ are the DX 11 games!! Anyhow. I personally would go for a single 580 for the meantime..and if you look hard enough you may be able to get 2 of them for just a little above your budget. 560's SLI would be the next best thing, I just htink it's best to avoid a SLI setup unless you get the 2 top single GPU's in SLI.

 

[blackbalt89]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllLeafs;13027749
I woul've said get a new DX 11 card but....where ther $#%#$ are the DX 11 games!! Anyhow. I personally would go for a single 580 for the meantime..and if you look hard enough you may be able to get 2 of them for just a little above your budget. 560's SLI would be the next best thing, I just htink it's best to avoid a SLI setup unless you get the 2 top single GPU's in SLI.

Two non reference 570s will pwn the SLI 560s.

 

[Kung Pow]

I got the GTX 295 to save money for Kepler.
That is why the GPU price should not exceed my 720$ limit.

Of course 570 SLI will beat 560 SLI but they will cost 100€ than my price limit that is why they are out of question.

I personally do not mind if it is an SLI setup or not because I have never in my life experienced any disadvantages.
Keep in mind that this setup will not be upgraded but only disposed of and replaced by Kepler when it arrives.

A single 580 would be exactly in the price range but the performance would not even come close to a max overclock GTX 560 TI SLI setup not to mention a GTX 295 Quad SLI setup.

I strongly believe that there is nothing in that price range that will be able to beat or equal the performance of GTX 295 Quad ...so I am looking for the next best thing that will not exceed the price range more than let´s say 100$.

From what I concluded I would be able to afford : Brand new 560 SLI , second hand 570 SLI , or brand new 580 .

Is there any other alternative?
6970 seem to be not that expensive and an SLI would be possible as well.
6990 costs 624€ at my local retailer which is far too much also I refuse to touch either of the new Dual Cards^^.

Hmmm there is no other way to go right?

 

[saulin]

2 GTX 480s

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[Kung Pow]

I just saw there is a 560 Edition with 2048 MB of VRAM...so that 560 SLI would be superior to 480 SLI don´t you think?

I think nothing in the price range of 720$ can beat the performance of 2x560 SLI (2048 MB Varm )
http://www.ditech.at/artikel/GPV2G03/Grafikkarte_PCI-E_2.0_POINT_OF_VIEW_GeForce_GTX560Ti_retail_2048MB.html
Nobody has yet compared any gpu suggestions to my previous GTX 295 Quad performance niveau ...I would like to see that too

 

[saulin]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kung Pow;13028553
I just saw there is a 560 Edition with 2048 MB of VRAM...so that 560 SLI would be superior to 480 SLI don´t you think?

I think nothing in the price range of 720$ can beat the performance of 2x560 SLI (2048 MB Varm )
http://www.ditech.at/artikel/GPV2G03/Grafikkarte_PCI-E_2.0_POINT_OF_VIEW_GeForce_GTX560Ti_retail_2048MB.html
Nobody has yet compared any gpu suggestions to my previous GTX 295 Quad performance niveau ...I would like to see that too

How good do the 560s overclock?

A GTX 570 is pretty much equal to a GTX 480 but I think the GTX 480 has more overclock potential. The extra memory might make a difference if you will be playing on 3 monitors at a resolution bigger than 2560x1600

 

[Kung Pow]

480 SLI and 570 SLI are both too expensive for me ....maybe you didn´t read the first post but I really dislike either Fermi or AMD 6000 series I wanted to skip both in order to be able to afford Kepler.

Unfortunetly my GTX 295 Quad setup mailfunctioned and because getting 2 new cards would be financially inefficient I sold them both for 720$ .

I don´t want to exceed that budget by much at most 50$.
My options in that price range would be : 560SLI,Single 580, Single 570 extra money which is not needed,Single 6970 with some extra money which is not needed,same thing with the 480 etc...

If you know any other gpu option that will overclock good and reach a 295 Quad setup´s potential that would be great but I think at the moment there is nothing out there that can touch it considering the price is there?

560 2GB SLI max oc would be good ...but the additional VRAM doesn´t provide a big performance boost because the card itself is just not powerful enough to fully exhaust the VRAM at high resolutions.
Conclusively though the performance provided should be near to a 295 quad setup.

Single 580 would only make sense if it were possible to be overclocked to 1 GHZ and even then heat and instability issues would follow not to mention that even at such a rate the performance would not be able to come close to either 560 SLI max oc or 295 Quad max oc

Single 570,480,6970 all don´t make sense because I cannot use the extra money that would be left and the cards alone would be inferior in performance to the above mentioned.

So what is left?
Right now I feel like another 295 Quad setup would be the only solution for both my price/performance issue.

Hope you guys can disprove me!!

 

[Stefy]

6950 CF or single 580.

 

[AllLeafs]

Another GTX 295 would definitely be the best cost effective route. But are you not at all interested in the DX 11 games on the horizon? Let alone just plain ol' "new" gpu architecture/power consumptions of the latest GPU's.

 

[Shiftstealth]

Granted you might lose some performance with the GTX 560 Ti's you'll gain DX11, isn't much of a selling but something to consider. If you were in the states you could get a GTX 590 with 700 USD that sucks bro.

 

[Officer Farva]

Have you checked out the gtx 580 Lightning? It should be able to hit 1ghz on air with reasonable temps assuming you don't get an absolute dog of a GPU.

Should be hitting e-tailers in less than a week, at least that's the impression I get from reading MSI Alex's posts.

Only problem I see with it is its size, the thing is massive!

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/msi_gtx580_lightning_review/9

 

[Kung Pow]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllLeafs;13028796
Another GTX 295 would definitely be the best cost effective route. But are you not at all interested in the DX 11 games on the horizon? Let alone just plain ol' "new" gpu architecture/power consumptions of the latest GPU's.

I am very much interested in DX11 but both Fermi and DX11 architecture themselves are too inmature at this point to use the new technology at its peak.

Kepler will be especially be designed in both its core structure and architecture to use DX11 at the maximum ...and by the time Kepler is released DX11´s development will be mature enough to allow that.

But until then I need a disposable temporary gpu solution that will deliver great performance and be in the 720$/500€ price range.

Let´s put it this way.....

GTX 295 Quad>GTX 580,570.560SLI,480,6970

Is there anything that will result in >GTX 295 Quad? with 720$

 

[blackbalt89]

Are the prices by you that high? 720USD will buy you two 570s no problem. Which is why I suggested them.

Where are you located?

 

[blackbalt89]

Nothing in your price range will match 295 SLI.

You could try the GTX 460 2Win but it still won't match quad SLI 295s.

Also DX11 won't be much more matured in 7 months. Don't count on it.

 

[Kung Pow]

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbalt89;13029044
Nothing in your price range will match 295 SLI.

You could try the GTX 460 2Win but it still won't match quad SLI 295s.

Also DX11 won't be much more matured in 7 months. Don't count on it.

I live in Austria close to Germany.
In my country a 570 costs around 310€ / 430$.
It´s because all the manufacturers are located in the states our local retailers have to include shipping,taxes etc with the price to actually make profit.

At this point DX11 is highly inmature in both its coding and further development.
Fermi on the other hand wasn´t even intended to be used for the extreme operation with DX11, just because the card features DX11 everybody automatically assumes it can fully use it as well.
In my oppinion it is the last generation and not really worth to be even considered in the face of the upcoming Kepler arrival.

I am not sure but very confident that by then the DX11 development will have greatly evolved compared to its current status.
Also the fact that Kepler will be specifically designed to operate at high levels of DX11 reinforces that belief because I am sure that the developers will then synthesize their coding with the Kepler architecture to facilitate better compatibility and more efficient use of it.

But enough about Kepler right now my problem seems unsolvable
I was really confident that a newer GPU solution could beat my old setup.
What if we put gaming experience(smoothness,MS,AA etc )into the picture?

Some said GTX 580 single non reference ....hmm
Maybe some used 570´s in SLI would be the solution?
I am not sure ...hmm
But there is really nothing else out there that could equal the GTX 295 Quad´s performance ...hm

 

[Booty Warrior]

Isn't a single 295 ~= a 480 (minus DX11 of course)?

SLI 570s, or HEAVILY OC'd (1GHz+) 560s are probably the only options on that list that will be comparable in terms of raw performance.

You could also consider Tri-SLI 470s, depending on the cost of 470s in your area.

 

[Kung Pow]

Yes GTX 295 can be designated as equal compared to the GTX 480 in terms of raw performance.

GTX 470 would cost just as much as the GTX 560 in my area.
I really would consider getting 560 SLI but like you said I would have to extremely max overclock them ....there are 2 problems coming with that though...1.)You can never know if you grabbed a card capable of achieving a core of 1GHZ + 2.)I am not planning on spending money for waterblocks for this temporary gpu update ..so a max overclock on air will not be possible with reasonable temps.

A single 580 would face the same problem as the 560 SLI ....it would only make sense with an extreme overclock and again there is no guarantee I will achieve it and there will be no money lost on it for watercooling so yeah.

It seems to me my only chance would be to spend some extra cash for 570 SLI ...and since I am considering 570 SLI ...480 SLI is out of the question because of inferior performance and VRAM.

So 570SLI seems to be the only reasonable way to go to both achieve the raw gpu performance of a 295 Quad setup and not exceed the budget limit by too much.

Thanks guys
If you still have some ideas please feel free to post!

 

[-Apocalypse-]

If it's available, I'd look at finding either the Asus DCII, Gigabyte Windforce, or Gainward Phantom 570s. I'd vote windforce, seeing as to run two DCII's you'd have to use a PCI 8x slot where as 2 windforce will fit in both your x16 slots (not much of a performance change, but enough to be a consideration). These three non-reference cards just go the extra mile on quality too. DCII is same cost as reference, Windforce seems like a $10 increase, but from what I can tell the phantom gets quite pricey.