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Hello guys 'n gals<br />
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Let me say from the outset that I have not overclocked a thing in my life, and I don't mess around with system settings or any of that of gubbins. And I'm still in the realms of AGP. <br />
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I'm in a bit of a quandry here. I originally had a 9800 All in Wonder which broke (it started displaying all sorts of funny lines and patterns when idle) so I replaced it with a secondhand, ebay-it-up vanilla Powercolor x700 which had 256MB GDDR and a 128Mbit memory interface. All was fine for 2 months until that died a sudden death. <br />
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It all started with the screen going black (the monitor chucked out a message saying something along the lines of 'no signal'). I was able to just reboot the computer myself and carry on as normal, but every now and again the same thing would happen. Then I had a day where all was fine until it happened again, followed by the system rebooting by itself and XP saying 'Your system has recovered from a serious error.' I decided to reinstall the drivers for the gfx card to see if that would help. It did for a few days, where the same going black and automatic reboot problem occurred. Only this time, the system would reboot and do nothing - the initial bios screen doesnt even show, and the screen stays black. <img src="/images/smilies/gunner2.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Gunner2" class="inlineimg" /> <br />
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I had kept my old 9800 and decided to put that in and see if things would load up properly. Lo and behold it did. By my reckoning this means the x700 is dead. I also recollect finding a forum somewhere when all this began to happen where alot of people were saying their Powercolor x700 was exhibiting the same behavior after a few months, but I can't for the life of me find the link for it!<br />
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Anyway, this leads to my first question: What are your opinions on my x700? <br />
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Secondly, I'm going to need a fully functional gfx card very soon. Im going to buy brand new this time. I need to buy on a budget until i can get a new comp next year, and I would like the most bang for buck for older games like FarCry, DOW, Doom3, and newer ones like NFS: Most Wanted and Oblivion. Here is my shortlist broken down by affordability. Note that for various reasons these exact boards are my only choices.<br />
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Very Affordable<br />
XFX 6600GT 128MB GDDR3, 128 Bit interface, Mem 400 MHz, GPU 300 MHz<br />
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Affordable<br />
XFX 7300GT, 256MB GDDR2, 128 Bit interface, Mem 533MHz, GPU 350MHz<br />
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Depending on impending financial inflows and outflows, I may be able to stretch to... <br />
XFX 6800XT, 256MB GDDR3, 128 Bit interface, Mem 1000 MHz, GPU 350 MHz <br />
Palit 7600GS, 256MB GDDR2, 128 Bit interface, Mem 800MHz, GPU 400MHz<br />
Leadtek 7600GS, 256MB GDDR2, 128 Bit interface, Mem 700MHz, GPU 400MHz<br />
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Assuming I can't stretch to the final three in the list, I am favoring the XFX 6600GT. <br />
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Assuming I can stretch to the final three cards in the list, I am leaning towards the Leadtek 7600GS over the Palit purely because I've never heard of them. Unfortunately I can't stretch to a 7600GT, which alot of posts here seem to recommend. Also intertwined with this is: Can my PSU handle the 'at a stretch' cards listed? <br />
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What are your recommendations on the boards listed? It's worth noting that I won't be tinkering with the gfx card, I just want the most bang for buck from stock.
 

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Just to give you something to work with, here's a pic from Toms Hardware showing various GPUs when going head to head. If you want to squeeze the most out of your money, I'd suggest getting the 6600GT and overclock it. Overclocking the GPU is just about as easy as creating a folder on your desktop...Hell, maybe easier.<br />
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Anyhoo, on to the pic.<br />
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<a href="http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=519&model2=547&chart=208" target="_blank"><img src="http://www23.tomshardware.com/charts9/519-547-208.png" border="0" alt="" onload="NcodeImageResizer.createOn(this);" /></a><br />
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Not sure about what is happening to ur graphs card, but get the 6600gt, i had one before this and it ran all games i had great. All on standard settings ofcourse but a very good card for a very affordable price. <br />
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Also if you want one of the other three get the leadteck <img src="/images/smilies/thumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Thumb" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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And yea ur psu will handle the 7600gs and all other cards you have asked about. <br />
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I'm wondering if it might not be PSU related... I realize that it can be trying with people saying, "Oh! it's your PSU" - but is always a good idea to make sure that the lifeblood of your rig is doing its job properly and safely.<br />
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Have you tested your PSU? Although ebay has its dangers, both of your cards have gone kaput. Before you toss some more cash at your rig I would ensure that all the components are stable and operating as expected.<br />
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I'd hate to see you have another card die on you.<br />
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I agree, i was thinkin that at first. But his cards are dont feed power from the psu so if it was indeed the psu, wouldnt everything else have gone kaput? But yea definately check into it, it could be the problem. But i heard the hypers are quite stable for modulars.
 

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Well, if you are looking at a new Gfx card, I'd recommend this card over all of the cards you listed:<br />
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Ati X800GTO, which should fall in your Affordable/Very Affordable range.<br />
It is a really nice card: X800GTO, 256MB GDDR3, 12 Pipelines, 256-bit Interface, 980Mhz Mem, 400Mhz Core.<br />
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And don't consider the 7300GT with GDDR2. Try to get the GDDR3 version, if you can.<br />
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Edit: Oh yeah, replace the PSU if you can. Always invest in a good PSU. I learned that lesson the hard way <img src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" />
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">I agree, i was thinkin that at first. But his cards are dont feed power from the psu so if it was indeed the psu, wouldnt everything else have gone kaput? But yea definately check into it, it could be the problem. But i heard the hypers are quite stable for modulars.</div>

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</div>Agreed... I don't think that they require their own power dongle, but thought that it might be a good idea to test the PSU so that he could put that potential issue to bed.<br />
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And ya, Hypers are reputed to be good PSU's
 

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Hey everyone, thanks for the replies! <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> <br />
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To clear things up, both my 9800 aiw and x700 require a spare floppy disk power connector, or whatever it is (the small 3 pin connector).<br />
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Anyway, I am a bit disgruntled about the possible PSU issue, and indeed I bought the Hyper because I had read all over that it was highly reputable. So how do I go about testing it? I have SiSoft Sandra 2005, is that going to do the job? I can't download anything really because I don't have a means of transporting files larger than a floppy disk between computers (I'm using an old dinosaur to post on here). <br />
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Also, are you recommending I test the PSU whilst using my dodgy 9800 aiw (since windows loads up when that one is plugged in) or just get a new gfx card and then test the PSU? I don't want there to be a chance of anything else blowing up...<img src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" />
 

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Well use speedfan to check your rails, see if they are stable on that (and also check with a multimeter if u have one)<br />
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If u need a link to speedfan just let me know<br />
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EDIT: ive never usd sisoft sandra so i dunno if u can check em on there
 

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I tried firing up my comp witht he x700 in and I got to the login screen of windows, whereupon the screen suddenly went black and I got a 'No Signal' message from the monitor, but no reboot. I then put in my marginally working 9800 aiw in and everything was fine, and I even managed to get some testing done without a blip.<br><br>
I've used SiSoft Sandara 2005 to monitor the voltages and have a whole load of data that I have no understanding of. Basicallly I set the environment monitor to take readings every 5 seconds, and did so for 2 mintues, whilst the computer was sat idle. Here is a sample of the results:<br><br>
Analysing...<br>
Date & Time : 03 November 2006 15:30:12<br>
Board Temperature : 22.0°C (Min 22.0°C; Avg 22.0°C; Max 22.0°C)<br>
CPU Temperature : 39.0°C (Min 39.0°C; Avg 39.0°C; Max 39.0°C)<br>
Chassis Fan Speed : 5233rpm (Min 5192rpm; Avg 5212rpm; Max 5233rpm)<br>
CPU Voltage : 1.65V (Min 1.65V; Avg 1.65V; Max 1.65V)<br>
+3.3V Voltage : 3.25V (Min 3.23V; Avg 3.24V; Max 3.25V)<br>
+5V Voltage : 5.05V (Min 5.05V; Avg 5.05V; Max 5.05V)<br>
+12V Voltage : 12.10V (Min 12.10V; Avg 12.13V; Max 12.16V)<br>
-5V Voltage : 3.50V (Min 3.50V; Avg 3.50V; Max 3.50V)<br>
Standby Voltage : 4.95V (Min 4.95V; Avg 4.95V; Max 4.95V)<br>
Battery Voltage : 3.62V (Min 3.62V; Avg 3.62V; Max 3.62V)<br>
CPU Core Power : 71W (Min 71W; Avg 71W; Max 71W)<br><br>
Analysing...<br>
Date & Time : 03 November 2006 15:30:22<br>
Board Temperature : 22.0°C (Min 22.0°C; Avg 22.0°C; Max 22.0°C)<br>
CPU Temperature : 39.5°C (Min 39.0°C; Avg 39.3°C; Max 39.5°C)<br>
Chassis Fan Speed : 5114rpm (Min 5114rpm; Avg 5172rpm; Max 5233rpm)<br>
CPU Voltage : 1.65V (Min 1.65V; Avg 1.65V; Max 1.65V)<br>
+3.3V Voltage : 3.25V (Min 3.23V; Avg 3.24V; Max 3.25V)<br>
+5V Voltage : 5.05V (Min 5.05V; Avg 5.05V; Max 5.05V)<br>
+12V Voltage : 12.10V (Min 12.10V; Avg 12.13V; Max 12.16V)<br>
-5V Voltage : 3.50V (Min 3.50V; Avg 3.50V; Max 3.50V)<br>
Standby Voltage : 4.95V (Min 4.95V; Avg 4.95V; Max 4.95V)<br>
Battery Voltage : 3.62V (Min 3.62V; Avg 3.62V; Max 3.62V)<br>
CPU Core Power : 71W (Min 71W; Avg 71W; Max 71W)<br><br>
Analysing...<br>
Date & Time : 03 November 2006 15:30:37<br>
Board Temperature : 22.0°C (Min 22.0°C; Avg 22.0°C; Max 22.0°C)<br>
CPU Temperature : 39.5°C (Min 39.0°C; Avg 39.4°C; Max 39.5°C)<br>
Chassis Fan Speed : 5075rpm (Min 5075rpm; Avg 5152rpm; Max 5233rpm)<br>
CPU Voltage : 1.65V (Min 1.65V; Avg 1.65V; Max 1.66V)<br>
+3.3V Voltage : 3.23V (Min 3.23V; Avg 3.24V; Max 3.25V)<br>
+5V Voltage : 5.05V (Min 5.05V; Avg 5.06V; Max 5.08V)<br>
+12V Voltage : 12.10V (Min 12.10V; Avg 12.14V; Max 12.22V)<br>
-5V Voltage : 3.50V (Min 3.50V; Avg 3.50V; Max 3.50V)<br>
Standby Voltage : 4.95V (Min 4.95V; Avg 4.95V; Max 4.95V)<br>
Battery Voltage : 3.62V (Min 3.62V; Avg 3.62V; Max 3.62V)<br>
CPU Core Power : 71W (Min 71W; Avg 72W; Max 73W)<br><br>
Analysing...<br>
Date & Time : 03 November 2006 15:31:13<br>
Board Temperature : 23.0°C (Min 22.0°C; Avg 22.4°C; Max 23.0°C)<br>
CPU Temperature : 40.0°C (Min 39.0°C; Avg 39.5°C; Max 40.0°C)<br>
Chassis Fan Speed : 5037rpm (Min 5037rpm; Avg 5119rpm; Max 5233rpm)<br>
CPU Voltage : 1.65V (Min 1.65V; Avg 1.65V; Max 1.66V)<br>
+3.3V Voltage : 3.25V (Min 3.23V; Avg 3.24V; Max 3.25V)<br>
+5V Voltage : 5.05V (Min 5.05V; Avg 5.06V; Max 5.08V)<br>
+12V Voltage : 12.16V (Min 12.10V; Avg 12.14V; Max 12.22V)<br>
-5V Voltage : 3.50V (Min 3.50V; Avg 3.50V; Max 3.50V)<br>
Standby Voltage : 4.95V (Min 4.95V; Avg 4.95V; Max 4.95V)<br>
Battery Voltage : 3.62V (Min 3.62V; Avg 3.62V; Max 3.62V)<br>
CPU Core Power : 71W (Min 71W; Avg 72W; Max 73W)<br><br>
Analysing...<br>
Date & Time : 03 November 2006 15:31:44<br>
Board Temperature : 23.0°C (Min 22.0°C; Avg 22.6°C; Max 23.0°C)<br>
CPU Temperature : 40.0°C (Min 39.0°C; Avg 39.6°C; Max 40.0°C)<br>
Chassis Fan Speed : 5153rpm (Min 5037rpm; Avg 5121rpm; Max 5233rpm)<br>
CPU Voltage : 1.65V (Min 1.65V; Avg 1.65V; Max 1.66V)<br>
+3.3V Voltage : 3.25V (Min 3.23V; Avg 3.24V; Max 3.25V)<br>
+5V Voltage : 5.08V (Min 5.05V; Avg 5.06V; Max 5.08V)<br>
+12V Voltage : 12.10V (Min 12.10V; Avg 12.14V; Max 12.22V)<br>
-5V Voltage : 3.50V (Min 3.50V; Avg 3.50V; Max 3.50V)<br>
Standby Voltage : 4.95V (Min 4.95V; Avg 4.95V; Max 4.95V)<br>
Battery Voltage : 3.62V (Min 3.62V; Avg 3.62V; Max 3.62V)<br>
CPU Core Power : 71W (Min 71W; Avg 72W; Max 73W)<br><br>
Analysing...<br>
Date & Time : 03 November 2006 15:32:15<br>
Board Temperature : 24.0°C (Min 22.0°C; Avg 22.8°C; Max 24.0°C)<br>
CPU Temperature : 40.0°C (Min 39.0°C; Avg 39.7°C; Max 40.0°C)<br>
Chassis Fan Speed : 5114rpm (Min 5037rpm; Avg 5128rpm; Max 5233rpm)<br>
CPU Voltage : 1.65V (Min 1.65V; Avg 1.65V; Max 1.66V)<br>
+3.3V Voltage : 3.23V (Min 3.23V; Avg 3.24V; Max 3.25V)<br>
+5V Voltage : 5.05V (Min 5.05V; Avg 5.06V; Max 5.08V)<br>
+12V Voltage : 12.16V (Min 12.10V; Avg 12.14V; Max 12.22V)<br>
-5V Voltage : 3.50V (Min 3.50V; Avg 3.50V; Max 3.50V)<br>
Standby Voltage : 4.95V (Min 4.95V; Avg 4.95V; Max 4.95V)<br>
Battery Voltage : 3.62V (Min 3.62V; Avg 3.62V; Max 3.62V)<br>
CPU Core Power : 71W (Min 71W; Avg 72W; Max 73W)<br><br>
Analysing...<br>
Date & Time : 03 November 2006 15:32:41<br>
Board Temperature : 24.0°C (Min 22.0°C; Avg 23.0°C; Max 24.0°C)<br>
CPU Temperature : 40.5°C (Min 39.0°C; Avg 39.8°C; Max 40.5°C)<br>
Chassis Fan Speed : 5153rpm (Min 5037rpm; Avg 5130rpm; Max 5233rpm)<br>
CPU Voltage : 1.65V (Min 1.65V; Avg 1.65V; Max 1.66V)<br>
+3.3V Voltage : 3.25V (Min 3.23V; Avg 3.24V; Max 3.25V)<br>
+5V Voltage : 5.05V (Min 5.05V; Avg 5.06V; Max 5.08V)<br>
+12V Voltage : 12.16V (Min 12.10V; Avg 12.14V; Max 12.22V)<br>
-5V Voltage : 3.50V (Min 3.50V; Avg 3.50V; Max 3.50V)<br>
Standby Voltage : 4.95V (Min 4.95V; Avg 4.95V; Max 4.95V)<br>
Battery Voltage : 3.62V (Min 3.62V; Avg 3.62V; Max 3.62V)<br>
CPU Core Power : 71W (Min 71W; Avg 72W; Max 73W)<br><br>
From what I can tell there are slight variations in voltage on the +12V Voltage reading, but have no idea what this means.<br><br>
So to those of you that think the problem could posibly PSU related: Does this data show anything wrong?
 

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If you have a multi-meter, or can borrow one then use that. It is best to test straight from the source with an electronic device that does not require any digital input or processing (i.e. apps or uts).<br><br>
If you need some more guidlines, or have not done this before then post back for additional assistance.
 

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Unfortunately I don't have a multi meter, and I certainly don't have access to one. Besides, I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of sticking things into the PSU connectors... and I don't know anyone who could do it for me - but from the results I posted, does everything seem in order?<br><br>
Im still leaning towards the conclusion I came to before about my x700 being dead because of what I read on another forum about other Powercolor x700 owners having the same problem, plus I only have the loading up/going black/rebooting problems when it's installed.<br><br>
Damn technology. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/gunner2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gunner2">
 
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