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after seeing nVidia Titan reviews I'm more curious in the lesser expensive GTX 780 possibly.
I have my wishes for what the specs of the card should be but of course that's not up to me.
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also it seems that many sites were calling the GTX 780 the Titan by mistake, I have seen several sites make the same mistake or nVidia misinterpretation..
starting this thread to link all reports and rumors and hope to weed out the nonsense.
objective and professional conjecture please.

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http://www.thereviewportal.net/2013/01/no-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-before-march-2013-maxwell-only-in-2014/
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As far as the GeForce GTX 700 Series is concerned, the parts should repeat the same cadence as this year's lineup. However, the newer revised parts should offer further clock improvements, to the level where they can offer between 25-30% higher performance and power efficiency, while the company is working on parts based on the Maxwell GPU architecture, which should drive 2014 as one of key years in Nvidia's history. Maxwell will be the first top-to-bottom GPU architecture, powering everything from Tegra to Tesla. Furthermore, Maxwell should be the first GPU part to integrate the 64-bit ARM core which carries the codename "Project Denver". Putting the typically-bandwidth starved ARM cores onto an internal bus which in GPUs goes beyond 1.5TB/s should significantly change the playing game - a GPU capable of booting an operating system, regardless of what lies currently in public documents.

All in all, 2013 will see AMD's Sea Islands fight first versus Nvidia's Kepler refresh, and only then against the Maxwell. Real battle will come only in 2014.
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Alright, so we accurately assumed that the GTX Titan wouldn't be the next 780 but rather a consumer version of the GK110 GPGPU in the form of a gaming GPU. Thus, still "600 series." The next question is, where does that leave the GTX 780? With the performance of the Titan edging ever closer, if not matching (benchmarks aren't out yet), the GTX 690 or 2 680's, what room is there left for the 780 to improve upon? If the GK110 were originally intended for the 680, should it not be reasonable to assume that the nvidia's got something better in the pipeline for the 700 series. A 780 coming out at ~ 10-15% faster than the Titan @ a price point of around $500? If so, we'd be talking about a substantial 50-60% bump in performance from the 680 to the 780.

Not considering price, I have a hard time believing the GTX 780 will come out at a slower speed than a the 600 series Titan.
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As you know by now, the GeForce GTX Titan is not the GTX 780, which is the name (currently) reserved for a product refresh coming later this year, which in tune will be followed by Maxwell-based GeForce 8 series. The name Titan was deliberately put "out of sequence" to give accent to the importance of the product, but also not to make it outdated when GTX 780 steps onto the stage.
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If their new cards dont come with 4gb vram on the lowest end I am not interested, its about time they stop putting 2gb on their $400+ cards.
 

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I'm hoping for 320-bit interface and at least 3GB of VRAM but 4GB of course would be cool to.
I do wonder if they will throw some more 2GB versions out there as well.

odds are however it will also be a 256-bit interface.
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I'm hoping for 320-bit interface and at least 3GB of VRAM but 4GB of course would be cool to.
I do wonder if they will throw some more 2GB versions out there as well.

odds are however it will also be a 256-bit interface.
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It will have a 384-bit memory interface, there's no reason for it not to be. The GTX 480 and 580 both had it, the only reason the 680 doesn't is because it's a 'mid-range' card.
 

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I'm hoping for 320-bit interface and at least 3GB of VRAM but 4GB of course would be cool to.
I do wonder if they will throw some more 2GB versions out there as well.

odds are however it will also be a 256-bit interface.
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It will have a 384-bit memory interface, there's no reason for it not to be. The GTX 480 and 580 both had it, the only reason the 680 doesn't is because it's a 'mid-range' card.
and I would think the GTX 6 series (660 - 680) would have bigger interfaces to, like the GTX 5 series did.
you never know but I hope nVidia has learned from this.
660, 660 Ti = 192-bit
670, 680 = 256-bit

with the higher resolutions including triple screen set-ups the smaller interface starts to hinder performance.
 

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after seeing nVidia Titan reviews I'm more curious in the lesser expensive GTX 780 possibly.
I have my wishes for what the specs of the card should be but of course that's not up to me.
redface.gif


also it seems that many sites were calling the GTX 780 the Titan by mistake, I have seen several sites make the same mistake or nVidia misinterpretation..
starting this thread to link all reports and rumors and hope to weed out the nonsense.
objective and professional conjecture please.

cheers.
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http://www.thereviewportal.net/2013/01/no-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-before-march-2013-maxwell-only-in-2014/
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nVidia forums:
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Lol who were these quote's by? Keep dreaming the 780 will not get anywhere near Titan for 500.
 

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after seeing nVidia Titan reviews I'm more curious in the lesser expensive GTX 780 possibly.
I have my wishes for what the specs of the card should be but of course that's not up to me.
redface.gif


also it seems that many sites were calling the GTX 780 the Titan by mistake, I have seen several sites make the same mistake or nVidia misinterpretation..
starting this thread to link all reports and rumors and hope to weed out the nonsense.
objective and professional conjecture please.

cheers.
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http://www.thereviewportal.net/2013/01/no-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-before-march-2013-maxwell-only-in-2014/
Quote from EVGA forums:
nVidia forums:
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I will be scouring the internet for news, stay tuned..
Lol who were these quote's by? Keep dreaming the 780 will not get anywhere near Titan for 500.
I know man, it's only a wish...
thanks for busting my bubble though..
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If it comes out later, the 780 may approach Titan. Who knows? It's not out yet! Tech always moves quickly, and trying to predict what will happen any further than the immediate future is always going to be a bit on the hand-wavy side.
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Intel thought the P4 architecture would scale to 10GHz... it didn't even get half way. There are always surprises - GPUs are often good at this; look at the performance on the 4870, or EyeFinity coming out of nowhere.

I won't get Titan (too expensive for me) but I'm always excited to see what happens.
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Lol who were these quote's by? Keep dreaming the 780 will not get anywhere near Titan for 500.
Why not?
Remove the casted aluminum... an[d] injection molded magnesium alloy, the plexiglass sunroof, the LED lights, give it only 3 GB memory, replace the 6 phase power circuitry with a 4, and gimp the GPGPU functionality like they did with the 6xx series.

Just give it a regular plastic shell with standard cooling and leave all the Gaming Graphic bits in.
I bet you that would knock off a good $400 right there.
 

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It is very possible, the titan is gk110, its just meant to be the last word in performance for the time being. It could be compared to the 1k flagship intel cpus, they always have the step down one for half the price but same performance for the most part.

3930k vs 3960x?
 

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If we go by naming

GTX480 = GF100
GTX580 = GF110

Than

GTX680 = GK104
GTX Titan = GK110

We won't be seeing a GTX 700 series till Q4 of 2013 just like how we won't see the HD8000 desktop series till than. And with the yields of the GK110 chip being so low and precious to Nvidia; the 700 series will probably be the GK114 series. Meaning in pure gaming the GTX 780 will probably be faster than a Titan but lose out on everything else.

And I predict reference VRAM to be 3GB 384bit clocked a 6Ghz effectively.
 

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The gaming market consists of general gamers and a small subset of those gamers are enthusiasts like us.

Gamers have cards like the GTX 570, GTX 660s, GTX 670, 7950s, and 2GB 680s, etc.

Enthusiasts buy 4GB 680s, Classifieds, 690s, 7990s, Lightnings, etc..

Right now, Nvidia just released a highly expensive product that only a small percentage of enthusiasts will afford, and it's been a year since Nvidia and AMD released cards that the average gamer will buy (680, 670, 7970, 7950).

So we're due for a new set of releases, like the 700 series from Nvidia and the 8000 series from AMD.

Companies aren't (or shouldn't) sit on their asses when it's been a year since their last mainstream release. The mainstream market has a hole and it needs to be plugged. This is why Nvidia should released the 700 series and this is why AMD should release the 8000s series, and do it soon (ie, March/April like they usually do).

Despite what Nvidia says about Titan being a full production card, it's price tag will make it a very limited card, so they have to release something for the rest of gamers. This is where they release a ~$500 GTX 780. It makes no sense to me that Nvidia coasts an entire year off the Titan since most enthusiasts, let alone gamers, will never even touch the card.

Like Aparition just said:
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Remove the casted aluminum... an[d] injection molded magnesium alloy, the plexiglass sunroof, the LED lights, give it only 3 GB memory, replace the 6 phase power circuitry with a 4, and gimp the GPGPU functionality like they did with the 6xx series.

Just give it a regular plastic shell with standard cooling and leave all the Gaming Graphic bits in.
I bet you that would knock off a good $400 right there.
This makes total sense. They can easily knock off $400-500 by doings things, and if they gimp compute features they can easily make the 780 perform close to if not better than the Titan. Then people might say that this kills sales of the Titan, but the Titan is in a market of it's own, since it does gaming very well and compute very well. Someone who wants gaming AND compute will buy the Titan and someone who wants just gaming will buy the 780.
 

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nVidia forums:
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As you know by now, the GeForce GTX Titan is not the GTX 780, which is the name (currently) reserved for a product refresh coming later this year, which in tune will be followed by Maxwell-based GeForce 8 series. The name Titan was deliberately put "out of sequence" to give accent to the importance of the product, but also not to make it outdated when GTX 780 steps onto the stage.
wait.. based on this quote, is the 780 going to be 'maxwell'? or just a 'refresh' - and if the 700's are maxwell, what will the 800's be?
 

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As you know by now, the GeForce GTX Titan is not the GTX 780, which is the name (currently) reserved for a product refresh coming later this year, which in tune will be followed by Maxwell-based GeForce 8 series. The name Titan was deliberately put "out of sequence" to give accent to the importance of the product, but also not to make it outdated when GTX 780 steps onto the stage.
wait.. based on this quote, is the 780 going to be 'maxwell'? or just a 'refresh' - and if the 700's are maxwell, what will the 800's be?
no, at first they were saying the GTX Titan was to be the GTX 780 but things have changed..
GTX 7 series is still Kepler, a GTX 6 series with a tweak for optimization.
GTX 8 will be Maxwell.
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no, at first they were saying the GTX Titan was to be the GTX 780 but things have changed..
GTX 7 series is still Kepler, a GTX 6 series with a tweak for optimization.
GTX 8 will be Maxwell.
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so if someone is looking for a significant jump in performance (like the 200's -> 400's), waiting for maxwell (800s) is optimal?
 

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no, at first they were saying the GTX Titan was to be the GTX 780 but things have changed..
GTX 7 series is still Kepler, a GTX 6 series with a tweak for optimization.
GTX 8 will be Maxwell.
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so if someone is looking for a significant jump in performance (like the 200's -> 400's), waiting for Maxwell (800s) is optimal?
Maxwell will be a beast or so far that's how everyone states it, I think so too..
but as for waiting it really all depends on what you have now and possibly trading up through eBay or local trade.?
I've done it all.

if your in better shape then me like having SLi 3GB GTX 580's (if still on Fermi) then it's possible.
right now I'm running SLi N560GTX-Ti 448's TF3 clocked to a little over stock GTX 570's.
the 1.25GB of VRAM is starting to hurt so now I'm deciding to SLi my N660GTX-Ti PE/OC
and then run one of my 448's in my unit where the 660 Ti is now. then run the 448 until the GTX 780 but then,,,,,,
after the GTX 780 the rest of GTX 7 series will eventually be released with all the 760 - 760 Ti - 770 and so on the upgrade bug will come again.
I think the performance jump will be a solid 15-20% the GTX 7 will have over the GTX 6.

question is though, what tweaks are nVidia and then vendors (ASUS, MSi, EVGA) gonna add, look at Titan and its features.
bottom line is I can't make it until Maxwell..

what are you running.?
 
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