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I am torn between these two cards right now. From all the benchmarks I have been looking at the 670 makes more sense to me, because it is more bang for the buck and my budget is already stretched pretty thin. However I play Skyrim, and use Hi-Res texture packs and want it to run as smooth as possible, and I am thinking the extra gig of vram might come in handy there. Basically the games I am going to be playing the most are Skyrim, BF3, and Starcraft II. I play on a 42inch HDTV in 1080p. Suggestions?
 

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I would recommend the GTX 670 unless you would be playing at HD+ resolution (2560x1440 or higher). The 670 has proven to be a very good card and can easily max out any game that i can think of @1920x1080.

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Thanks guys, I was definitely thinking it would be enough from what I have read about VRAM, I just wanted to get some reassurance. I am building a new rig, coming from a setup with a 275. I can't wait to see the difference in performance!
 

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Whats the price difference in the US - For the Asus DCII for instance in Australia, you're talking $20 more for the 7970...
Looking at getting a GTX 670 for $399.99 shipped. The cheapest 7970 I can get is a Power Color and it's $439.99. So $40 difference, which is actually a huge difference because I am already going to be on the Ramen diet for a month paying for this new build. Plus brand means a lot to me, and I know next to nothing about Power Color. The GTX I am looking at is EVGA, and my experiece with them has always been outstanding. I have built several rigs for my friends using EVGA boards and cards.
 

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Looking at getting a GTX 670 for $399.99 shipped. The cheapest 7970 I can get is a Power Color and it's $439.99. So $40 difference, which is actually a huge difference because I am already going to be on the Ramen diet for a month paying for this new build. Plus brand means a lot to me, and I know next to nothing about Power Color. The GTX I am looking at is EVGA, and my experiece with them has always been outstanding. I have built several rigs for my friends using EVGA boards and cards.
Definitely go for the EVGA 670 over the 7970 in this case, EVGA is the best and will give you an excellent card.
 

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If you could shell out another 20$ and get a Asus DCII, the normal version not the TOP, that would be great considering that the EVGA GTX 670 you are looking to buy uses the short PCB while the DCII uses the 680's PCB and the cooler is pretty quiet. Or if EVGA is a must you could get the GTX 670 FTW although it uses the reference cooler which is sub-par. This is all presuming that you can strech out another 20 bucks...
 

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HD 7950 OC is a good option. These cards do 1050 Mhz on stock volts. With a little bit of voltage tweaking you can hit 1150 -1200 Mhz speeds . clock for clock HD 7950 is close to HD 7970 perf

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/03/01/xfx_radeon_hd_7950_black_edition_video_card_review/8

Here are a couple of models

Sapphire HD 7950 950 Mhz edition - USD 390 (USD 370 with rebate)
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-PCI-Express-version-Graphics-11196-10-40G/dp/B0082D58P4/

Gigabyte HD 7950 OC Windforce - USD 370
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Mini-Displayport-PCI-Express-Graphic-GV-R795WF3-3GD/dp/B007581QHG/

even at 1080p the GTX 670 can find itself totally outclassed in bandwidth hungry games

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/869-7/benchmark-alan-wake.html
At 1080p GTX 670 ( 915 / 980) falls behind at the max settings to a HD 7950 (800 Mhz). HD 7950 OC (900 Mhz) will be clearly faster.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/23150/6
HD 7950 (900 Mhz) is much faster than GTX 680. Dirt Showdown uses a very advanced forward+ lighting engine. With advanced ligthing and global illumiation enabled a tremendous amount of burden is put on the graphics cards resources, bandwidth included.

With the latest Catalyst 12.7 beta drivers the HD 7900 cards are going to be the faster cards, especially when looking at overclocking both sets of cards.
 

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HD 7950 OC is a good option. These cards do 1050 Mhz on stock volts. With a little bit of voltage tweaking you can hit 1150 -1200 Mhz speeds . clock for clock HD 7950 is close to HD 7970 perf
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/03/01/xfx_radeon_hd_7950_black_edition_video_card_review/8
Here are a couple of models
Sapphire HD 7950 950 Mhz edition - USD 390 (USD 370 with rebate)
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-PCI-Express-version-Graphics-11196-10-40G/dp/B0082D58P4/
Gigabyte HD 7950 OC Windforce - USD 370
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Mini-Displayport-PCI-Express-Graphic-GV-R795WF3-3GD/dp/B007581QHG/
even at 1080p the GTX 670 can find itself totally outclassed in bandwidth hungry games
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/869-7/benchmark-alan-wake.html
At 1080p GTX 670 ( 915 / 980) falls behind at the max settings to a HD 7950 (800 Mhz). HD 7950 OC (900 Mhz) will be clearly faster.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/23150/6
HD 7950 (900 Mhz) is much faster than GTX 680. Dirt Showdown uses a very advanced forward+ lighting engine. With advanced ligthing and global illumiation enabled a tremendous amount of burden is put on the graphics cards resources, bandwidth included.
With the latest Catalyst 12.7 beta drivers the HD 7900 cards are going to be the faster cards, especially when looking at overclocking both sets of cards.
Dirt 3 was designed for use with AMD cards, of course it gets higher FPS

In other games it takes higher than 1080p resolutions for the 7970 to win and even then it is minuscule and only on BF3. http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/05/14/geforce_680_670_vs_radeon_7970_7950_gaming_perf/1
 

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A game here and there in the Radeons favor won't prove anything.
There are games that the GTX's make the Radeons look bad, but PC gaming is about more then just pure performance.

Nvidia offers the best, smoothest most feature rich PC gaming experience you can buy.
Go with the GTX 670, you won't regret it.
 

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A game here and there in the Radeons favor won't prove anything.
There are games that the GTX's make the Radeons look bad, but PC gaming is about more then just pure performance.
Nvidia offers the best, smoothest most feature rich PC gaming experience you can buy.
Go with the GTX 670, you won't regret it.
Here is another game

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/869-16/benchmark-the-witcher-2-enhanced-edition.html
HD 7950 (800 Mhz) is faster than GTX 670 (915 / 980)

You are completely mistaken that HD 7950 wins only 1 or 2 games. HD 7950 OC will defeat GTX 670 OC in Crysis Warhead, Metro 2033, Crysis 2, Anno 2070, Witcher 2 EE, Deus Ex, Alan Wake, Dirt Showdown, Dirt 3.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/23150/7

With the latest Catalyst drivers even a HD 7950 (900 Mhz) is faster than GTX 670 (1100 Mhz) in Skyrim. Other than Shogun 2 there is no recent game where the Nvidia cards are clear winners. Even BF3 is not a clear win for Nvidia. HD 7950 OC (1150 Mhz) can compete with GTX 670 OC (1250 boost) .
 

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I'm actually having the same issue at this point. I have a GTX 560Ti 448 Classified, and I'm looking to step into the next gen of cards, but I'm torn between the 670 and the 7950. I generally use one monitor, but I'd like to use two if it won't really impact framerates. I mostly play Skyrim, Starcraft II, Diablo III, and stuff along those lines, but I don't really want to upgrade again for at least a year. Here's the wrench in the works for me though, I run Linux exclusively. The Windows benchmarks that I've been seeing seem to favor the 670, but the Linux ones seem to show the 7950 edging it out. Throw in the fact that Nvidia overclocking is close to impossible in Linux, and I'm leaning in the direction of the 7950. Does anyone have any experience using either of these cards in Linux, especially with Wine?
 

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Hey mate, for GTX 670 DCuii vs Sapphire Hd 7970, which one you will take? I was offered by my friend for a cheap price, cheaper than DCUii, and do have plan for waterblock the card. But from what I observed and read, AMD facing a lot of driver issue. Even a HD 7970 also advice me to stick to Green Camp. I know that Catalyst 12.7 does improve 7970 performance, but how is the bugs and issue? Read somewher, HD 7970 is a great card for oc'ing. But for gaming, to many problem related to driver, and never released WHQL if compare to Nvidia.
 

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Hey mate, for GTX 670 DCuii vs Sapphire Hd 7970, which one you will take? I was offered by my friend for a cheap price, cheaper than DCUii, and do have plan for waterblock the card. But from what I observed and read, AMD facing a lot of driver issue. Even a HD 7970 also advice me to stick to Green Camp. I know that Catalyst 12.7 does improve 7970 performance, but how is the bugs and issue? Read somewher, HD 7970 is a great card for oc'ing. But for gaming, to many problem related to driver, and never released WHQL if compare to Nvidia.
Somebody is definitely giving you wrong advice. The AMD Catalyst 12.6 beta and 12.7 beta are stable and very popular among users. Nvidia still has issues with vysnc stuttering even with the latest 304.48 beta drivers.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1700104&page=6

The last post on the page is about a user complaining about stuttering in Witcher 2 with 304.48 beta. So I think there is no perfect GPU drivers. Both Nvidia and AMD are stable in majority of the titles. So don't worry too much. definitely go for Sapphire HD 7970.
 

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Somebody is definitely giving you wrong advice. The AMD Catalyst 12.6 beta and 12.7 beta are stable and very popular among users. Nvidia still has issues with vysnc stuttering even with the latest 304.48 beta drivers.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1700104&page=6
The last post on the page is about a user complaining about stuttering in Witcher 2 with 304.48 beta. So I think there is no perfect GPU drivers. Both Nvidia and AMD are stable in majority of the titles. So don't worry too much. definitely go for Sapphire HD 7970.
So, any link that can confirm the latest driver issue?
 

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So, any link that can confirm the latest driver issue?
If you want feedback on the catalyst 12.6 beta drivers start a new thread in .

http://www.overclock.net/f/226/software-news

ask HD 7970 users to give their feedback. also there are official 12.6 beta drivers and other unofficial beta drivers which are more recent.

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst126beta.aspx

http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-Catalyst-12.x-(8.980.0-June-4)-Unofficial-BETA-download-2923.html

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=2926 ( I think this is catalyst 12.7 beta. but check with others too)
 

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If you want feedback on the catalyst 12.6 beta drivers start a new thread in .
http://www.overclock.net/f/226/software-news
ask HD 7970 users to give their feedback. also there are official 12.6 beta drivers and other unofficial beta drivers which are more recent.
http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst126beta.aspx
http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-Catalyst-12.x-(8.980.0-June-4)-Unofficial-BETA-download-2923.html
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=2926 ( I think this is catalyst 12.7 beta. but check with others too)
Thank you. Sapphire HD 7970 ordered already. You are right, there is no perfect driver. Your word really wake me up/. Thanks mate. I will make a new thread.
 

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With the latest Catalyst drivers even a HD 7950 (900 Mhz) is faster than GTX 670 (1100 Mhz) in Skyrim. Other than Shogun 2 there is no recent game where the Nvidia cards are clear winners. Even BF3 is not a clear win for Nvidia. HD 7950 OC (1150 Mhz) can compete with GTX 670 OC (1250 boost)
The Radeons perform well with the latest drivers and substantial overclocking, no doubt.
Those are extreme Radeon overclocks compared to mild GTX overclocks.
Even then the GTX 670 and 680 are still the best GPU for your money.

In this case both GPU's basically give the same performance or similar performance.

It now comes down to value, stability and features, and in these categories the Radeons are far behind and/or not as good.
If you want to save money, buy a Radeon. If you want the best, smoothest most feature rich gaming experience available on a PC, get a GTX.
 
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