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Help me pencil my HD38x0

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Ok guys i did a google search and found a couple of different guides for this and was not satisfied with it. I was wondering if someone here could link me something or show me how to.

I already have the card in my sig. I have a very nice DVOM and just need to know what kind of pencil to use. I also suspect my card is dying so if it kicks it then its just an rma away from being new.
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Alright.

Here is how to do it.

The DMM: I trust you measure with ohms and also know how to measure voltage under load by using the DVOM (or "DMM" as we call it) and making contact with a vcore measure point while loading ATI tool. To measure ohm resistance on the actual resistor, what you do is put the resistance to something like 2k on the DMM and set your needles on each side of the resistor.

As far as pencils are concerned:
I used a 2B pencil from walmart haha. Many users will say 4B is the way to go, but my 2B drawing pencil worked fine.

The actual penciling: I strongly encourage you to measure the ohm resistance before penciling. Your target is going to be ~900-1000ohms, with the stock ohm resistance in the ~1750ohm range. When penciling, pencil with medium-light pressure, since you are dealing with sensitive components. Have a can of compressed air nearby. After penciling for 5 seconds or so, blow the can of air (or with your mouth, just dont spit) to remove the excess graphite. Measure the ohm resistance. Repeat as necessary until you reach your target.

My results overclocking/vmodding this card:

Stock clocks/no vmod:
Resistance: 1756ohm
Voltage: 1.269v
Clocks: Stock 668/828
Max Temp under ATI Tool: 62c

Overclocked/No Vmod:
Resistance: 1756ohm
Voltage: 1.269
Clocks: 770/999
Max Temp under ATI Tool: 65c

Overclocked/Pencil Vmodded:
Resistance: 913ohms
Voltage: 1.417v
Clocks: 857/999
Max Temp under ATI Tool: 77c

For all the above stress tests, fan was set to 75%. This was the single slot Diamond 256mb HD3850, as linked in my sig. Performance with the vmodded overclock can be viewed by checking out my benchmark thread.

The picture below is of a HD3870 PCB, but the two are the same. The only difference is the Vcore stock, 1.33v on the HD3870 versus 1.27v on the HD3850. It shows your vcore measure point as well as which resistor to pencil. R1222.
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Thanks D3v0

I have a question. My card will not go above 730mhz without crashing in game. At 720 its been ok, still crashed once. I am assuming that this is a lack of voltage since the TOP car is clocked at 730 stock.

Another Q. What do you use to oc program wise? CCC will not go above 770. Have you used any modded bios?

Last Q. In the pic it shows the pencil point, what do i pencil too? Both sides of the resistor? then for checking volts what would the second point be?

Thanks again.
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Thanks D3v0

I have a question. My card will not go above 730mhz without crashing in game. At 720 its been ok, still crashed once. I am assuming that this is a lack of voltage since the TOP car is clocked at 730 stock.

Another Q. What do you use to oc program wise? CCC will not go above 770. Have you used any modded bios?

Last Q. In the pic it shows the pencil point, what do i pencil too? Both sides of the resistor? then for checking volts what would the second point be?

Thanks again.
Like CPUs, some GPUs overclock better than others on the same voltages. So yes, you should achieve higher overclocks after adding additional voltage via the pencil mod.

I use rivatuner to OC all of my graphics cards. You might have to use a modded bios to unlock the higher clocks, I used ATIWinflash to flash in windows.

You pencil the top of the resistor, that should be enough. Measure ohms after each penciling of 5-10 seconds until you get your desired resistance.

You use your DMM to measure voltage. Set the readout to DC volts and move the cables in your DMM if you need to from the ohm plug to the Voltage plug. Not all DMMs need this I don't believe, but most do.

After the vmod, install the card and boot into windows. Open ATITool and start scanning for artifacts to load the card. Go into your case and touch the red needle onto the vgpu measure point shown in the picture. Then place the black needle onto your ground, such as the metal on your case.

Post your results! Always keep your fan running fast when you are temperature testing, you dont wanna burn the card!
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Thanks again. I hope to have time some night his week to try it.

Also is there a life on a pencil mod? Does the graphite ever break down?
I had my 4850 pencil modded for a few months without it ever losing its effectiveness. I also had it outside my rig for another few months while I tested other graphics cards and upon reinstalling it was still an effective vmod. I think their life is sorely underrated. As far as the graphite ever breaking down, I havent owned a pencil vmodded card for any period of time over 6 months but I would suppose depending upon your environmental conditions that it could. At least you know how to properly reapply it now
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Well it turns out that Asus does things a bit different. The pcb is not marked on most of the points. The design is different than any pic i can find on the web. I would take pics but the camera is missing.

I am lost again
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meaning you cant find R1222? I have not vmodded a non-reference HD38x0.
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meaning you cant find R1222? I have not vmodded a non-reference HD38x0.
That is what I mean. Nothing is the same at all. I have looked at a ton of pics. But I think i am close.

Just by looking at where the groups are I believe i have found it. The resistance is 2.5k ohm and the only voltage reading i could find that I would assume is the core is 1.02v at idle.

I am confident enough that this is it so I am going to do a very slight pencil and see if the volts go up.

UPDATE: That was it

1.7k ohm
1.31v under load

53c with fan at 75%

core 769
mem 909
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Push it to 1.4v


It should do 850core, realistically.
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I dont think I have to. Check the 3d06 score
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Not too shabby m8
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d3v0

Thanks for all your help man. You are an essential member of this community.
Well I tried to oc some more and at 1.31v and 820 core i had it hard lock in tf2.

So here is my new settings.

R1222= 950 ohms
volts= 1.38v load
core= 830
men= 925
fan= 85%

Also I used OCCT to test my oc and I like it alot better. ATI Tool loaded at 55c and OCCT w/ fullscreen loaded at 70c

I will try tf2 later on.

Also should i leave gpu recover turned on?

Edit: I was wrong on ATI tool. i just ran it for about 15 mins and it got to 65c
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GPU Recover? You mean when it crashes to the desktop rather than freezing the whole system? It's your call, that's what vista does
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I dont think my graphics card caused TF2 to crash. I was reading and multicore causes some people to have issues. I am going to disable that and see if it is stable with the voltage increase.
Sounds good. You could always drop the clocks one strap (8-9mhz) at a time too of course. This card is as fast as a 3870 now to be sure
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