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Hi everyone I'm Jaad and I am a junior grade enthusiast. because I like lists heres one for you all

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  • I'm a professional Drafter and NDE technician based out in Houston TX
  • I love Baseball, Fishing, Golf and most importantly computers & tech
  • I'm a builder and i believe DIY is the only way to live
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  • I can use nearly any tool I can get my hands on, and if I don't know what the tool is Google knows...Google knows all
  • Jaad's my name, Filters and Pumps are my game.
  • I built a crazy inline aquarium filter system with an estimated rating of 400gph out of home depot materials and an open boxed petco pump (the water was so clean it was like looking at fish swimming in air...*charcoal cleaning is for amateurs*)
  • I'm a freshwater aquarium specialist and with the right budget can make any aquarium to mimic nearly any fresh water ecosystem
  • The little known secret - before December when i started theory crafting and designing my Warlord Gaming Rig I couldnt tell the difference between a sata cable and a fan cable
Right now I'm in the middle of building my gaming rig and the amount of fun I have been having is unreal. From having a million new things to learn to hitting each 100mhz plateau on the cpu oc has been more fun than I have had in a long time. My rig is about having fun and pushing the limits, even if the returns are negligible.
 

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I actually have a theoretical interest in sustainable farming aquariums. i saw this arizona swimming pool that was converted into a closed ecosytem meat production system that fascinated me. he englobed the swimming pool, put a chicken wire platform above the back third where he raised chickens that fed on the duckweed he grew on the su\face of the pool. the chicen droppiongs were consumed by tilapia. to harvest the tilapia theyd put them in a different smaller tank and feed them a tastier diet for a week or so. This made them no loger taste what could be eup[hamistically termed "muddy"

got enough chicken eggs and fish to feed a family of five and have spare out of a tiny little space with near zero maintainance.
 

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duckweed is the real deal. its too bad its illegal in many states, as its an invasive weed that can grow on compliments alone lol I had it growing wildly for a while in one of my tanks as a supplemental meal for my silver dollars. the only down side was that they ended up splashing the heck out of everything.

Sustainable farming aquariums are mean pieces of engineering. the one i would like to build would involve marbled crawfish. those little guys are the only animals that reproduce by technical cloning. and their litters increase in size every time too. China is working on developing farms for them as a means of sustainable food for areas with low agricultural production. in addition they make a healthy snack for fish depending on the size of both the crawfish and the fish eating them.

the only issue with those farms would be the energy consumption for maintaining the pumps. the biology for those systems are easy and tend to follow the trend of bigger is easier. so long as there is movement of water for relieving gas build ups and oxygenating the water you're good to go
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It occurs to me you may know more about hydrodynamics and pumps than the average bear.

One of the Holy grails of silent computing is solid state pumpless water cooling. It has stupendous reliability potential which is a problem with water cooling. The maintainable on watercolors is a killer.

What Lillie I know about it comes from dealing with gravity hot water heating systems (I'm a landlord) I had a thought involving trying to do a passive gravity hot water cooler using an old cast iron radiator (more than enough bus by a lot) and putting the motherboard underneath it at a compound angle to get the CPU at the bottom with the gpu in line just above it. The math of Pipe diameters and expected water flow totally perplexed me though so I abandoned the idea.

There could be enough synergy with your other interests that you might be able to make such a thing go though.
 

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A lot of what I've read so far on pumpless water cooling this past week (reason for not replying
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refers to hyper efficient nano-wicks to drive circulation and heat transference. Unless the heat is transfered efficiently outside of the ssd shell or into a absorbent/cache the heat removed will eventually be transfered back as the closed system starts to reassert equilibrium. Its definitely something to look into as I would love to water cool the ssds and m.2's that i will be purchasing for my rig.

a passive gravity cooler would indeed be a feat and and awesome diy cost saver but from what I have read on thermosiphoning, you would need a pot/tank large enough to not only hold the liquid as its separates naturally into hot/cold zones but to also drive the narutally occuring convection. In addition extra planning would have to be taken into consideration as radiators would be out of the question and flow rates for cpu/gpu would become the most likely point for any sort of flow bottlenecking. one other caveat would be to have side loaded water blocks as any additional riseing and falling *could* interphere with the convection possibly making currents inside the loop.

And while a cpu can easily reach 100c under load whether from oc'ing to bad cooling, I'm not positive it would be enough of a driving force to power any convection. obviously the tank and pipes would have to be designed with that in mind, but to me it would make the most sense with a system generating quite a bit more heat than the 60-80 expected from efficient cooling.

still its a cool idea and would definitely fit into the "ultra exotics" category, and is one I will be looking into from time to time. below are the three best sources that i looked through and found to be the most helpful

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a houshold cast iron radiator is 2-3 feet tall and hoilds up to 4 gallons or so of water


this one is a bit large, they make them smaller, but the pic had the book case for scale. You may be right about the heat thing. just not enough BTUs there. operating temperature at the top of the radiator is usually only 140f, but it may be much much higher at the bottom in the furnace. Also the run under positive pressure. usually around 13psi using a dead end inverted air tank as a spring.
 

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Yeah, a pump ups efficiency a ton, but at that point it's no longer solid state, and the advantages of standard watercooling overwhelm weird radiators
 

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There are other problems. Got to cool a gpu as well, which means two heat sources. More if you want to add Northbridge and memory
 

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The only thing is an think to do is animal it. Overboard everything as much as possible, flip the switch and see if it works. Not an efficient way to go. With this kind of cooling over building can do as much damage as underbuilding.

Not sure this one can be figured out without some sort of convection modeling software. So not worth the super computer time lol
 

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IF YOU HAVE A PUMP CHANNELING THE water (lol I do autoCAD for work and usually have the capslock on) then having the different parts wont be an issue. the problem with running a true blue convection heating system is that you need to have the bottom line in as straight a plane as possible, having other rises either positive or negative could result in blockage or low flow forming from the extra head pressure
 

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yep. Thats why i was talking about the compound angle for the motherboard. it would have to lie in such a way as to create the correct rise over run needed for horizontal water movement. One more "not sure if it can even be done" problem
 

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the thing would be huge of course the motherboard has to sit underneath the radiator. The only saving grace is people are used to seeing cast iron radiators in homes. You hide the hardware in a hollow plinth base underneath the radiator and put it on the floor. looks like it's supposed to be there. it would even heat the house a little.

if you wanted to take it to the wild extreme and you were heating a house electrically anyway, you could do one for every room, set them up as a wolfram cluster and sell the processing time. might even pay for the electricity.
 

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I think to line them up correctly you could easily make use of pci extensions. that way your in line, still on an evenish plane and can readily mount things to a braket.

you could always mount a monitor to the rad. that would qualify as looking unique and awesome.

As far as wolfram clusters, i have no idea what that is =P
 

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that's when you hook a ton of pc cpus together to make a super computer. Things like prime 95, folding-at-home and other similar time donation large scale computer projects work that way. such machines are only good for certain types of problems but they're very good at them.
 

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and yeah, a pcie extension cable would be key. Was thinking maaybe solder up a large copper cube shaped box, mount it as the cpu cooler AND have the GPU stuck to one side to make a single heat source. Tall though.
 

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One more stumbling block is the PSU with a machine of this robustness level the failure points become storage and power supply. this dosen't really address that.
 

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In my core x9, directly under the mobo mounting plate are bolt in screw mounts for ssds and hdd. Something similar could be done with the mobo mounting bracket on the rad. While a conventional psu can be used for the computer parts, the system pump would more than likely have to be plugged into the wall. That's the only way I can see a system that large working correctly
 

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i concur, however if it needs a system pump it starts to become pointless. i dunno. I'ts my favorite wacky build thought. i got annother wild idea for a super reliable PSU that also uses turn of the century technology, but that one i can determine even less about and would require a full on electrical engineer with specialties to evaluate.

there's this very old fashioned ac-DC inverter style made out of believe it or not blown glass that simply do not wear out. The London subway system has a few still working that are over a hundred years old.
 
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