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Hi,

When I was talking to my friend about getting the i7 920 for my new gaming rig he said that I shouldn't because it has hyperthreading and hyperthreading is really bad for gaming. I read other reviews and said the i7 was excellent for gaming. I have only heard bad things about HT from him.

is HT bad for gaming? Can you disable HT if it is bad?
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Yes, you can disable the hyperthreading if you don't want it..

Hyperthreading doesn't hurt gaming that much, but it doesn't give any preformanceboost either.. so for a gaming rig you're best of with it disabled I guess.. although I can't say i've noticed any difference either way on my 920.. tested it with HP activated and deactivated... I'm having it activated on my rig..
You can disable HT in the BIOS, it requires a restart.

Very few games benefit from HT, most actually perform worse. It depends on how they use the threads. Most often the HT will be more of a hindrance in gaming. But it can help a lot when multitasking.
But is it bad for gaming? Should I disable or enable it?
Personally I've never had a problem with Hyperthreading and gaming. Just makes your computer faster so how could it be bad?
There's no way hyperthreading could actually decrease gaming performance by any amount that matters. It may not improve it any over it being disabled, but Core i7 is still leaps and bounds faster in every way over every other CPU option out there right now. Don't let your ignorant friend keep you away from i7.
There might be a slight performance hit, but it is well worth it if you use something that does take advantage of the HT.
it's not bad for gaming, i was playing around with ht on and off the last couple of days and with HT off playing GTA 4 i see no difference in performance and fps.
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But is it bad for gaming? Should I disable or enable it?
If you ask me it really doesn't matter... the preformance loss due to the HP isn't noticeble imo, if there actually is any at all.. either way, it's nothing noticeble while gaming..

If you're having heat issues diableing hyperthreading might lower the load temp a bit..
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Ok thanks! brb going to rub it in his face
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He is probably an AMD lover. Lol. Show him whats up. lol
It makes no difference on a single core game, as long as your OS is HT-aware and schedules background processes correctly (i.e. leaves the other thread on that core unused as much as possible).

Multi-core games are a little trickier, of course, but again if the OS is HT-aware it shouldn't be a problem.

(Hint: This means Vista. XP predates hyperthreading.)
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It makes no difference on a single core game, as long as your OS is HT-aware and schedules background processes correctly (i.e. leaves the other thread on that core unused as much as possible).

Multi-core games are a little trickier, of course, but again if the OS is HT-aware it shouldn't be a problem.

(Hint: This means Vista. XP predates hyperthreading.)

Isn't HyperThreading enabling a more advanced thread scheduler on the CPU itself? The OS doesn't know if there is really one or two cores. Any OS that supports multiple cores should support HT fine as it is transparent to it.
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Anyone have any proof on HT reducing gaming performance?
I'm trying to figure out how it could actually slow performance in a game, and not coming up with anything. Unless the game was going to strict timing, but considering all the different builds of computers out there, thats not really possible anyways. no one "bangs the metal" on pc's. lol

But even if it did a small decrease, the speed of your cpu and vid card is still going to give you a kick butt gaming experience.

Don't let your jealous friend hold you back (after all, isn't that what they tend to do?), go I7 920 and you'll never regret it.
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Anyone have any proof on HT reducing gaming performance?
I'm trying to figure out how it could actually slow performance in a game, and not coming up with anything. Unless the game was going to strict timing, but considering all the different builds of computers out there, thats not really possible anyways. no one "bangs the metal" on pc's. lol

But even if it did a small decrease, the speed of your cpu and vid card is still going to give you a kick butt gaming experience.

Don't let your jealous friend hold you back (after all, isn't that what they tend to do?), go I7 920 and you'll never regret it.
HyperThread enables a more advance thread scheduler. Since this scheduler inspects incoming threads and predicts the optimal execution order, it may add some overhead.

It is sorta like NCQ for hard drives. The drive predicts the optimal path to hit multiple sectors. However, it takes a bit of processing to calculate the path which adds some delay.
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Not bad for games, just not optimized for games yet.

Hyperthreading has been around since the single-core P4 days, the problem is that it has never been implemented on a quad core CPU. But give the game developers and Intel some time and I think you will see games start to take advantage of the Hyper-Threading.
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Not bad for games, just not optimized for games yet.

Hyperthreading has been around since the single-core P4 days, the problem is that it has never been implemented on a quad core CPU. But give the game developers and Intel some time and I think you will see games start to take advantage of the Hyper-Threading.
Doubtful this will happen any time soon. Game developers are barely taking advantage of current quad-cores.
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If you are going to be running a gaming rig it would be better to disable HT because it will lower temperatures which could either get a higher speed or create a more stable system.
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Doubtful this will happen any time soon. Game developers are barely taking advantage of current quad-cores.
Your right, but I'm not doubtful that they will at least try to hurry up and jump on the more than 2 to 3 thread band-wagon. If they don't get 4 threads up and working soon then I don't think we will see 8 threaded games any time soon either.

EDIT: If they don't get to work soon, they'll have *me* on their hands...
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