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I come from the era of doom and quake, Both games with rapid fast paced action kill or be killed with both CTF, Deathmatch, Team deathmatch etc types in multiplayer, Sure they had no story but they were fun in multiplayer, Honestly i decided hey what the hell i'll give modern games a shot since They were on special over the last few months i have...

Battlefield 3 and all its expansions
The latest cod games

These are two of what i would say are the most popular (Feel free to correct me)

First things first, The campaign was fun had a bit of story to it, Felt moderatly smooth even on hard, it was fun but when it comes to multiplayer here is a list of what i think is just wrong...

Big guns being useless, I just unloaded an automatic shotgun (10 rounds of buck) INto someone at point blank range, They had 75% health, This was within a meter and me aiming at the chest, They by all rights should of been shredded Bits of their torso should be splattered all over the wall behind them, They shot me twice with a pistol in the chest and i died....

Level ups (I'M LOOKING AT YOU COD) The same thing above happend, reason? Person had 10 prestiges or whatever you want to call it, Because of this he lived mostly unscathed, I died too two pistol rounds in the chest.....

Everyone being the same colour, You know what made things like doom, Quake and serious sam fun? You knew what collour the enemy was you didn't have to walk right up to the bastard to see a tiny ass nameplate that is either blue or orange (Blue being friendly) in order to not risk friendly fire, In the mean time they turn around and pummel you, Sorry but no.

Respawn timers....HOW DO PEOPLE THINK THESE ARE FUN i mean REALLY you've died wait 20 seconds.... you've died wait 22 seconds..... you've died wait 24 seconds..., I'd rather read a book if i'm going to spend half the game just watching a scoreboard.

Aim Assist, I swear these modern games have it, I've been to CS tournaments back in the 1.6 days i saw some very fast people hell i was one of those fast people, Watching kill cams there is no way in sweet hell these people are aiming even moderately close to how fast they are, Aim assist ruins the fun.

Big guns still being useless, Part of the Decision to using a bigger gun is realising that you are going to be slow and loud when moving about, That's the downside, I just unloaded 13ish rounds of the M4A1 (also known as the noob cannon back in the days) It's a belt fed heavy machine gun that in real life leaves holes the size of tennis balls in people, This was at point blank range, They moved along with 90% health after reaching forward and knifing me

Those things above Do not Make a good game imo, A good game has the following

Fast action
Quick respawns
Easy way of identifying friend or foe
Ping time rules (Also known as latency) ever tried to hit someone whose at 300ms while your at 30? Yeah it's not fun but they still knife you.
No level ups
Everyone has the same access to perks
 

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Yeah honestly I mostly agree. Now, I don't think ALL fps games need to be fast, slower more careful "tactical/realistic" (yeah right) can be fun too - IF that is what the game is about... but yeah, for the most part arcadey shooters (I'm looking at you CoD and every Battlefield since 2142) are just too slow and sloppy these days.

Personally I miss the old games too. Tribes is still my franchise - even after the last several bastardizations made by half-ass developers, it's core gameplay mechanics have kept it above the rest of the just these days. Perhaps you would like to join me in a few rounds at some point. Drop me a or just reply here if so
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You need to talk to the guy with the CoD in a nutshell gif.
You might wanna play hardcore only it solves some of the problems however it is still not really "hardcore" or realistic
What happend to the days of if i shot someone with a rocket launcher THEY DIED
 

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If you like fast paced games then try Tribes or Nexuiz, or even Quake because it still has a huge community and following. FPS games nowadays are mainly MMS such as CoD and Battlefield which some people like, some people don't.
 

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What happend to the days of if i shot someone with a rocket launcher THEY DIED
Consoles happened.
 

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If you like fast paced games then try Tribes or Nexuiz, or even Quake because it still has a huge community and following. FPS games nowadays are mainly MMS such as CoD and Battlefield which some people like, some people don't.
Never heard of either tbh
 

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What happend to the days of if i shot someone with a rocket launcher THEY DIED
Well you can still do that but it is not that it is as effective as it was back then but point blank it might be a kill.
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Fast paced I would say the Halo genre or Gears of war.
 

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Well you can still do that but it is not that it is as effective as it was back then but point blank it might be a kill.
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I tried that from across the street on one of those town maps, Hit them dead on, They killed me with a crossbow and walked away.
 

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You need more Team Fortress 2 in your life.
I have no-one to play Tf2 with, And even tf2 has it's downsides though it's a far better game then Bf3 that's for sure, But because of my work schedual most australians are sleeping when i can play
 

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Never heard of either tbh
Oh man, you need to at least give Tribes a try. Fast paced FPS with a few (fast and fragile) vehicles and everyone has a freaking jetpack and anti-friction boots that allow them to "ski" down hills at insane speeds. Signature gun is the "Spunfusor" which is essentially a badass rocket-launcher-esque explosive magnetic disk launcher.

The newest one is F2P (Tribes Ascend).

Tribes 1 and 2 (2 is still my favorite) as well as Fallen Empire: Legions (now called Legions Overdrive - made by the same people as Tribes 1 and 2 but with a different name due to legal reasons) are now abandoned by their original companies and can now be downloaded and played for free on community run servers.

Tribes Vengeance I'm pretty sure still requires you to actually pay for it, but very few people actually liked that one and it's long since been abandoned anyway (even though I personally thought it was pretty fun and just needed some patches and mods, but that's another story).

Can't really comment on Nexuiz other than it is supposed to b sorta a Quake / UT hybrid that failed terribly shortly after launch due to being hard to run on a lot of peoples machines and terrible support from the company or some such. Honestly I should probably try it at some point since I do own it (came with a video card or something).

At any rate, If you want to give Tribes a try, let me know. I'd be more than happy to show you around, or if you prefer, blast your face off with a Fusion Mortar.

PS - as for TF2, I could just never get into it. I like the original TF, I liked it when it became it's own game, and I even liked the Fortress Forever community made remake, but TF2 just feels slow and sloppy and dumbed down so much that the fun is all gone. It's like cartoon characters with water balloons instead of freaky fast jumpy soldiers with big weird guns.
 

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I'd also throw tribes a recommendation. I'm not a fan of their leveling system by any means but it's p. easy to pick up and frag plus it's a ton of fun to just surf in game.
 

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I'd also throw tribes a recommendation. I'm not a fan of their leveling system by any means but it's p. easy to pick up and frag plus it's a ton of fun to just surf in game.
Yeah the leveling bothers me too. Every single previous tribes game gave you free access to everything, so making you unlock stuff was just a bizzaro move by hi-rez (but then again, they did release this as free to play, so I guess it was a semi-necessary evil).
 

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I'd also start ranting on modern RTs's as after playing a few i think only blizzards Sc2 has the right idea still
 

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They're either made for consoles or built entirely around a business model (free to play) rather than gameplay.
I find console controllers to be very sluggish to be honest, infact consoles feel very sluggish and slow even when they were first on the market
 

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You're free to have your opinion but this is what I have to say about your reasons.... ( I don't like COD either btw)
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Big guns being useless, I just unloaded an automatic shotgun (10 rounds of buck) INto someone at point blank range, They had 75% health, This was within a meter and me aiming at the chest, They by all rights should of been shredded Bits of their torso should be splattered all over the wall behind them, They shot me twice with a pistol in the chest and i died....
You weren't aiming then. There's no way you hit someone 10 times with a shotgun at point blank and they were at 75% If you're one of the people who like fast deaths instead of using skill and precision to get headshots, then try hardcore.

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Everyone being the same colour, You know what made things like doom, Quake and serious sam fun? You knew what collour the enemy was you didn't have to walk right up to the bastard to see a tiny ass nameplate that is either blue or orange (Blue being friendly) in order to not risk friendly fire, In the mean time they turn around and pummel you, Sorry but no.
Teammates have blue triangles/names, squad mates have green names over their heads. Or blue/yellow with color blind mode one. Enemies have no triangle/name if they aren't spotted or you aren't aiming at them, orange/red if they are. You can see these names from across the map, idk what tiny nameplates you're talking about. If you are having trouble seeing these try the colorblind option.
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Respawn timers....HOW DO PEOPLE THINK THESE ARE FUN i mean REALLY you've died wait 20 seconds.... you've died wait 22 seconds..... you've died wait 24 seconds..., I'd rather read a book if i'm going to spend half the game just watching a scoreboard.
I kind of agree, it's annoying waiting to respawn, but it is needed for balance, when there's objectives like battlefield's and you can spawn on squad mates it would be insane if there was instant spawns.
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Aim Assist, I swear these modern games have it, I've been to CS tournaments back in the 1.6 days i saw some very fast people hell i was one of those fast people, Watching kill cams there is no way in sweet hell these people are aiming even moderately close to how fast they are, Aim assist ruins the fun.
There's no aim assist on BF3 on PC, idk about COD but I doubt it. I think there is a little bit on console but not much.
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Big guns still being useless, Part of the Decision to using a bigger gun is realising that you are going to be slow and loud when moving about, That's the downside, I just unloaded 13ish rounds of the M4A1 (also known as the noob cannon back in the days) It's a belt fed heavy machine gun that in real life leaves holes the size of tennis balls in people, This was at point blank range, They moved along with 90% health after reaching forward and knifing me
That's not how these games work. All guns are 'big' and you move the same speed with any gun. If you really hit someone 13 times with an M4A1 they would be long dead. And it's a carbine, not a hmg...
I can explain the different classes and their guns and balances if you want.

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Fast action
Quick respawns
Easy way of identifying friend or foe
Ping time rules (Also known as latency) ever tried to hit someone whose at 300ms while your at 30? Yeah it's not fun but they still knife you.
No level ups
Everyone has the same access to perks
-Conquest is usually slow which is why I don't really like it except on small maps, but Rush and TDM, and small conquest maps have fast action
-I explained above why that wont work. TDM does have faster respawns than objective modes though.
-There is, I explained how above
-Yeah it's annoying
-Meh it doesn't take that long to unlock everything that's useful, just play TDM for a couple day. If it's really that big of a deal to you, you can buy a shortcut pack for like $5 I think. Or give me your info and I'll unlock everything for you lol.
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I'd also start ranting on modern RTs's as after playing a few i think only blizzards Sc2 has the right idea still
I will have to disagree with you there.

Supreme commander which while a little bit older is a very good RTS although the pacing at the beginning can be rather slow it builds into some rather large scale battles.

Company of Heroes is personally my favorite RTS the squad system and cover based tactical gameplay are done exceptionally well. My only problem is that the tanks are extremely overpowered.

Command and Conquer Generals also had good fast paced gameplay.

for fps games that are more realistic try playing the Operation Flashpoint series. It is squad based and penalizes even the smallest wounds you take (ie. get shot in the foot and you can only walk not run)

There are many great recent games out there for any genre and it sucks that you only played a couple of the worse ones.
 
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