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StormX2
wherte can i find a high quality CRT monitor no more then 19 inch
but in the 100-200 $$ range
good refresh and pixle pitch

i cant afford lcd
and i personally dontliek there movement quality
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Originally Posted by StormX2

wherte can i find a high quality CRT monitor no more then 19 inch
but in the 100-200 $$ range
good refresh and pixle pitch

i cant afford lcd
and i personally dontliek there movement quality

CRT is a better picture, but it takes up more room. If you have the room, there's no question that CRT is superior. Here's a good one within your budget....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824002248
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I personally like ViewSonic although I've never used one before.


Go with sccr's recommendation, if you'd like a bigger screen.

And you don't have to be disappointed because you can't get a LCD. CRT has better picture quality and is better for gaming than LCD.
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i like CRT's over LCD's too. If I were to buy a LCD then it would only be because its widescreen. I like the dell 20' models (LCD) but for now im perfectly happy with my CRT.
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I like my 17" CRT. I think it was definitely a good deal, getting it for $100. I'd go with sccr's reccomendation. Seems like a nice monitor. Although personally, I'd see what deals computer stores around you are having. If the specs are good and the price is right, it's definitely nicer to not have to pay for shipping a 40lb. monitor. Easier on the deliveryman's back, too
. If you can, try to find something with either .2 or .21 dot pitch. That'll really make the picture look good. If you want to look for a CRT from two or three years ago when CRTs were still ultra-high quality, check on craigslist.org to see if anyone is selling a monitor in your area.
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LCD monitors are built to work best at a certain resolution. This is called the "Native Resolution".
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The native resolution on a LCD can be thought of as the maximum resolution on a CRT monitor. The big difference is that CRT monitors can display images at a lower resolution without picture quality loss while a LCD monitor has to rely on interpolation (scaling of the image). A LCD has to scale up a smaller image to fit into the area of the native resolution. This is the same principle as taking a smaller image in your favorite image editing program and enlarging it; the clarity you had with the smaller image loses its sharpness when it is expanded. This is especially problematic as most resolutions are in a 4:3 ratio (640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1600x1200) but there are odd resolutions that are not notably, 1280x1024. If a user was to map 1024x768 to a 1280x1024 screen there is going to be distortion as well as some image errors as there is not a 1->1 mapping with regards to pixels. This results in noticeable quality loss and the image is much less sharp. Some resolutions work well however as in the case of a 1600x1200 LCD and a 800x600 image. Since 800x600 is an integer factor of 1600x1200, scaling will not adversely affect the image.

Here's a quick summary to give you an idea about the monitor size and its corresponding Native Resolution:
  • 14-15": 1024x768 (XGA)
  • 17-19": 1280x1024 (SXGA)
  • 20"+: 1600x1200 (UXGA)
  • 19" (Widescreen): 1440x900 (WXGA+)
  • 20" (Widescreen): 1680x1050 (WSXGA+)
  • 24" (Widescreen): 1920x1200 (WUXGA)
  • 30" (Widescreen): 2560x1600
So when you want to buy an LCD monitor (a 17'' for example) you have to take into consideration the fact that you will be playing games at the native resolution if you want to have a quality image.
What this means is that, if sometimes your video card cannot play the game at the monitor's native resolution, you'll be in trouble.
This in turn forces you to select a lower resolution (one your card can cope with) and this lower resolution will either cause the LCD monitor to use a reduced visible area of the screen or it will have to do extrapolation.
CRT monitors don't have this problem. They need not do an extrapolation when downgrading the resolution.

This is why all the guys who replied before me are telling you that CRT is way better. I join them in telling you that you don't have to feel bad if you cannot afford an LCD monitor.

However if you can pay something in the range of 220 USD (slightly above your budget) then go for this monitor (19'' and flat) in the "G" series category of ViewSonic monitors (G stands for Graphic) as they are better than the "E" series which are economical/standard monitors.
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LCD monitors are built to work best at a certain resolution. This is called the "Native Resolution".
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Here's a quick summary to give you an idea about the monitor size and its corresponding Native Resolution:
  • 14-15": 1024x768 (XGA)
  • 17-19": 1280x1024 (SXGA)
  • 20"+: 1600x1200 (UXGA)
  • 19" (Widescreen): 1440x900 (WXGA+)
  • 20" (Widescreen): 1680x1050 (WSXGA+)
  • 24" (Widescreen): 1920x1200 (WUXGA)
  • 30" (Widescreen): 2560x1600
So when you want to buy an LCD monitor (a 17'' for example) you have to take into consideration the fact that you will be playing games at the native resolution if you want to have a quality image.
What this means is that, if sometimes your video card cannot play the game at the monitor's native resolution, you'll be in trouble.
This in turn forces you to select a lower resolution (one your card can cope with) and this lower resolution will either cause the LCD monitor to use a reduced visible area of the screen or it will have to do extrapolation.
CRT monitors don't have this problem. They need not do an extrapolation when downgrading the resolution.

This is why all the guys who replied before me are telling you that CRT is way better. I join them in telling you that you don't have to feel bad if you cannot afford an LCD monitor.

However if you can pay something in the range of 220 USD (slightly above your budget) then go for this monitor (19'' and flat) in the "G" series category of ViewSonic monitors (G stands for Graphic) as they are better than the "E" series which are economical/standard monitors.

No, that's not why I'm stating that CRT is superior. Ask any ISF certified calibrator what the best possible picture quality monitor or tv is. Native resolution is simply the only signal that won't get converted into another format. To say you won't get a good picture on anything other than the native resolution is silly. If the electronics in the tv are good, you won't lose much during a conversion at all. If you don't believe this, go turn on a 720p native monitor and feed it a 1080i signal. The picture can still be phenominal.LCD monitors not only have a problem with rapid movement, but they don't display "blacks" nearly as well as a crt. The only reason crt isn't the dominating format is because physical limitations limit it to 40" so far.
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I have personally had luck with purchasing Dell P991's and P1110's (Sony Trinitron monitors P991 = 19" and P1110 = 21"
They are decently priced and awsome monitors. They do have the Dell name, however they are all Sony inside.. as Sony is the only company that makes trinitrons. You can also pick up the HP monitors that are actually trinitrons in disguise.
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No, that's not why I'm stating that CRT is superior. [...] To say you won't get a good picture on anything other than the native resolution is silly.
LCD monitors not only have a problem with rapid movement, but they don't display "blacks" nearly as well as a crt.

First of all I don't think you need to point that out as a "silly" idea. After all we are all here to help and learn. Aren't we ?
All right, that having been said... if you check out this website (and many others you can find on Google by looking for "Native Resolution") you will understand why I said that resolutions other than the native one are not as good.
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The second disadvantage to LCD screens is their fixed or native resolution. An LCD screen can only display the number of pixels in its matrix and no more. It can display a lower resolution in one of two ways. Using only a fraction of the total pixels on the display or through interpolation. Interpolation is a method whereby the monitor blends multiple pixels together to simulate a single smaller pixel. This can often lead to a blurry or fuzzy image particularly with text when running the screen below is native resolution.

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Native Resolution: The physical structure of some types of displays, including LCDs and plasma panels, defines how many pixels can be displayed at once. The display produces the sharpest picture when used at its so-called native resolution. Other types of displays, such as CRTs, create pixels independently of the physical structure of their screens and do not have a native resolution. As a result, a CRT's image quality is generally the same across a range of resolutions.

I have to agree that LCDs don't display "blacks" nearly as well as a crt (contrast ratio concept) and they have a problem with rapid movement (cannot refresh the screen as fast as a regular CRT... ghosting).
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SCCR's recommendation for an NEC is excellent. I have a NEC FE991SB 19" Black CRT with a sony tube that has been fantastic. I've also had a viewsonic that I sold (it just wasn't as good for colors). Its kind of funny, my daughters computer has an LCD that cost as much as my NEC CRT and my picture quality is far better.

NEC has always been my brand of choice for crts and given that I had a computer store for 9 years, I saw a "lot" of CRT's go through.
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CRT is superior to LCD, TFT whatever..................... I have a 19" inch CRT which cost me £70, and I have 2 17" TFT's at £200 each.

Even though the CRT is bigger and takes up more space the highest res on my CRT is just under the combined res of both my TFT's!

The refresh rate is sumthin daft like 112hz and the clarity of picture is better than HDTV

The problem with TFT's is they are new and look good so cost ££££££ unless your willing to pay £600+ for a hi res TFT with an 8ms refresh rate gaming and action packed movies streaming above 50fps and your screen blurs with the delay roar!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To save the quote's and replys to this post by all you with TFT's 12ms and 16ms etc who are gonna say otherwise I will explain all and please bare in mind I have 2 so I aint buyest..............

Cinema and normal tv views at 30fps, the reason behind this because after this the human eye doesn't register any more (the redline of optical input if you would), subliminal messages (popcorn etc) at 300fps. Anything past this is just a number for benchmark.

However with a 12ms and above TFT the higher the number the more the gaming experience drops for the following reason

If your in a game running at say 150fps and you rapidily turn round 180 degrees your screen will blur ever so slightly until you stop because the TFT cant project the image quick enough to keep up, instead of projecting every frame or two, its projecting every 4/5 and the transfusion of none sequenced frames creates the blur, now alot of people wont notice because it really is so small but if your a core gamer like myself on the system specs that I have got things like that you notice!

CRT maybe simple, but if it aint broke dont fix it!

***Rant End***
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If you can do with a 17", Wal- Mart sells the KDS Xflat for about $108 around here. I have had mine for a couple of years now and no complaints.
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I feel I have to say something in defense of LCD's here... No denying, CRT's have a definite advantage of LCD's in many ways, but...
Ever sit in front of a CRT for 8 hours straight? Its not pretty. A friend of mine at work who uses contact lenses actually had the lenses melt on to his cornea because he sat in front of a 21-inch CRT for 8 hours. Now I can't confirm if his lenses were at fault or the monitor, but that scared the bejesus out of me. The rays... They just bombard you. I know there are a multitude of filters out there to prevent this, but you end up sacrificing a lot of the quality of the image when you pop on of these things on. LCD's are definitely easier on the eyes over long periods of time.
That said, now is really the best time to buy a CRT at the moment, since the current LCD craze is pushing prices of CRT's down ridiculously. I'm in the market for a big ass CRT myself, actually. Just have to be careful not to stare at it too long, heh...
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I feel I have to say something in defense of LCD's here... No denying, CRT's have a definite advantage of LCD's in many ways, but...
Ever sit in front of a CRT for 8 hours straight? Its not pretty. A friend of mine at work who uses contact lenses actually had the lenses melt on to his cornea because he sat in front of a 21-inch CRT for 8 hours. Now I can't confirm if his lenses were at fault or the monitor, but that scared the bejesus out of me. The rays... They just bombard you. I know there are a multitude of filters out there to prevent this, but you end up sacrificing a lot of the quality of the image when you pop on of these things on. LCD's are definitely easier on the eyes over long periods of time.

Is exacally what i was going to say, can anybody here really tell me that they go on the computer everyday with a big CRT and don't wear glasses or have bad eyes?
Supposedly the radiation off them kills your eyes, if your on the comp a lot, i don't really fancy that!
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Is exacally what i was going to say, can anybody here really tell me that they go on the computer everyday with a big CRT and don't wear glasses or have bad eyes?
Supposedly the radiation off them kills your eyes, if your on the comp a lot, i don't really fancy that!

I have 20/20 vision and use 4 21" Sony Trinitrons and am on the computer constantly. I not only game a lot,but I own my own business that requires me to be on the computer daily for hours. I've had these for 6 years so far and have used CRTs exclusively. I have a large LCD,but I only use it for HiDef.
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I have a 19" Viewsonic CRT. I love it, it's great for gaming, but it does take up a good 1/4 of my desk, and my eyes hurt after much more than a few (3-4) hours of use. I'm in the market for a low response time, high contrast LCD now. I love CRTs, but LCDs are much better than they used to be, and with 19" Viewsonic LCDs with 3ms response times, the gap in quality is closing fast.
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Have a look here then, if a CRT does it for you, at least follow this guide.

http://www.poynton.com/notes/reducin...ain/index.html
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Originally Posted by sccr64472

CRT is a better picture, but it takes up more room. If you have the room, there's no question that CRT is superior. Here's a good one within your budget....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824002248

Although I agree NEC is a good brand, that moniter's screen looks cruved. A screen that's not flat gets really annoying sometimes
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Heh, if you can find one, cos they seem to have been discontinued, try to get a Mitsubishi Diamondtron. Ridiculously fine CRT... Always wanted one.
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About LCDs vs. CRT:
CRT pros
Better image quality
Cheaper
Larger screen
All have a tiny response time

CRT Cons
Takes up a lot of space
Strains your eyes

LCD Pros
Space saving
Good for "office work" (work with lots of little)
Easy on the eyes

LCD cons
Image qulity not as good as CRT
limited size
Costs more
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