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Hi there, Im new to the forums and I really want to build a gaming rig by my self, I don't mess with hardware alot so I will need your help guys. <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />'<br />
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first of all I have a P4 640 in my current desktop, and let me tell you, Its the worst processor I have ever used. I heard good things about AMD and I would really like to give them a try but with C2D out I really don't know and want to know what is your opinion about this.<br />
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So I would want a nice case with lights and stuff like that, LOL (for the kid in me) <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> , and also a decent Dualcore processor that I could overclock, and I haven't OC'd anything in my life but I will try. Yea and I have a question also, can I build a decent gaming rig in shuttle case ? I want it to be as small as possible, because I hate big cases.<br />
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second is the mobo and gpu, I hear about crossfire and all that? what is it? and I would like a gpu with SLI but Im afraid my budget wont allow that, its about 1300$, but I could bump it a bit if its worth it, the X1900XT and 7900GTX is cool, I have used nVidia once and it was great, Im not sure about ATI so you could suggest either of 'em I dont care as long as Its good. And about the mobo, whatever, I don't really know about em, but a mobo that can hold the most ram and also support SLI incase I didn't go with that and wanted to upgrade later.<br />
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also the hdd, I really use alot of space in my pc, so I would like as much space as i can, and how many hdd's can I add to my pc?<br />
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now I don't really know about the other stuff, but I have 2GB of kingston ram in my old desktop, i think its PC4200 or something, Ill get back to you about that. And If possible I want internal bluetooth and wireless and memory card reader. <br />
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I don't know if Im dreaming to build a pc with this budget, but I thought Id ask. I don't want monitor because shipping it to my country would cost a fortune, although I would like a 19" WUXGA monitor, but I dont know if they exist.<br />
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I appreciate you feedback guys,<br />
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C2D 6300 or 6400 would be the way to go with a ds3 board. As for the video card, a 7600gt or something along those lines until dx10 comes out will be your best bet.
 

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i dont want a 7600gt ? I really want a powerful card, to last me a year atlest, I saw this on amazon : <br />
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<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Geforce-7950-GX2-1GB-Xtreme/dp/B000G0HJZI/sr=8-4/qid=1159671782/ref=pd_bbs_4/002-3736555-0314410?ie=UTF8&s=electronics" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Geforce-7950-G...&s=electronics</a><br />
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its scary though, and expensive also.<br />
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also, is it better to get 2 gpu's with decent power now, to hold me for like 6 months or a year and then exchange them for DX10 cards ? Im not a big fan of waiting. and I really dont care about DX10.<br />
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the E6400 has 2mb cache right ? would it matter ? and whats the max i can overclock this thing to ?<br />
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I prefer amazon for buying this stuff, as other companies like newegg wont deal with people outside of the us. <br />
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Well, new technology will be out in about half a year,so theres no point in spending toomuch cash. Thats why i suggested the 7600gt.
 

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dude,new technology is coming out all the god damn time,i mean they sell 65 NM chips now but 45nm chips are already in the making/testing with both AMD and Intel<br />
soo waiting for newer techology is forever because there will allways be soemthing newer<br />
+ i wouldnt recommend buying any of the first dx10 cards because they will be buggy and laggy and probably have 100X more bugs then they promise they will<br />
also buying a powerfull card now will allow you to play all your favorite/want to play games easily! <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick out tounge caps" class="inlineimg" /> i mean i have a 6600le and i know that stuff are coming out,like all those hot shot games AKA crysis and cell factor,that require on additional AGEIA phyx card,soo Adabi you better buy a good GPU now,like the 7900GTX/7950gx2 witch just pwns or a nice X1950 witch is also nice<br />
the allendale proccesors are GREAT for everything,multitasking gaming and overclocking soo i suggest you get the E6400 allendale,its a good proccesor that overclocks like mad.<br />
and the diffrence between 2mb l2 cache and 4 mb l2 cache isnt THAT huge as i hear.
 

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Marager, thats exactly what I was thinking, there will always be a new technology in the horizon.<br><br>
Thanks for the suggestion, Ill probably buy a X1950, I like the 7950Gx2 but I read in a review somewhere that the X1950 beat it in some tests, and also that the difference between X1900XT and X1950XT is not that huge.<br><br>
So guys, any suggestions on the hardware, Im being ignored here, Lol.<br><br>
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Hm I could be wrong but I think that the Asus A8n-32 sli deluxe has built in wireless and bluetooth, so if thats what you wanted you could get that. It's AMD though. If you are going to be getting 7950gx2s I wouldn't advise getting a shuttle case as they will produce lots of heat esp. if you overclock and if the case is too small it'll overheat. With DX10 coming up, maybe you should just buy a 7900gt/gtx because I saw a couple of them for around 300 total which isn't that bad. You could just overclock it and it'll last you a while until DX10 becomes good, then you could just get a DX10 card. But thats just my opinion
 

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thanks dexterousdeven, that sounds great really, if anyone could confirm about the asus mobo it would be awesome, and also, is it a good mobo for overclocking ? and also is there an intel version of it, I think Im set on getting a E6600 and would like to know the potenital of this cpu,<br><br>
and also, Im leaning more towards the ATi, maybe a X1900 or something. and I would really like to run SLI if my budget allows it.<br><br>
yea and I have 2GB of kingston ram (Kingston 1GB DDR400 C3 KIT OF 2 ( KVR400X64C3AK2), is this old, can i use for my new rig.<br><br>
Guys I would appreciate it if you recommended some parts and link them if you can. What would be a good combo for my price range ? which is about 1300$
 

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Yes I think there is, its called the Asus p5w deluxe I'm not sure. And ATI does not have SLI, thats for Nvidia only. You're probably thinking of crossfire, which is the dual video card solution for ATI. Ill try to get some parts for you: Asus p5w deluxe <a href="http://www.bk-computer.com/ASUS_P5W_DH_Deluxe_i975X_Motherboard/P5W_DH_DELUXE/partinfo-id-10399.html" target="_blank">http://www.bk-computer.com/ASUS_P5W_...-id-10399.html</a>, I don't know if that store is good though so heres one from zipzoomfly which is pretty good because they offer free shipping on most items: <a href="http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=247085&prodlist=pricegrabber" target="_blank">http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...t=pricegrabber</a>.
 

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I would go with 2GB of DDR2- 667 RAM. Since you are overclocking, no need to shell out more for DDR2 800.
 

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thanks dexter, this one looks like a good mobo. how is it at overclocking ? and about crossfire, do I just buy a crossfire card, or do I have to buy 2 cards ? Im new to all of this, do you think I could manage to build a good rig with 1300$ ?<br><br>
I see, so mine wont work 'cause its DDR 400. Ok, I dont think im getting DDR2 800 because im on a budget.<br><br>
Ok guys just forget the monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers and all that, I just need a case with good components, this is gonna stay with me for atleast 2 years so its gotta be good, and I could increase the budget a bit, so feel free to add more components if its worth it.<br><br>
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For crossfire you don't need two of the same cards like SLI. All you need is one ATI card(doesn't matter what model) and one "crossfire" edition card. Then you could run crossfire. So what you can do is buy a crossfire card right now and when you have more money buy another ATI card. The thing with crossfire is that it will use the same settings, such as if you have one card with 16 pipelines and one card with 12 pipelines, the card with more pipelines will underclock itself to 12 pipelines. Dunno if that will help but yeah. So yes, you do need two cards. And for 1300 you can build a really good rig if your just buying a box (just the case and the inside ocmponents). With the asus mobo and the C2D 36600 you can get a pretty good overclock, my friend got his to 3.2 ghz but that was with water cooling.
 

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the thing is that ATI cards are really expensive, what cards do you recommend for going crossfire ? and can link this.<br><br>
I really appreciate your help, Im learning alot from you.
 

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Glad to be of assistance. Well this card looks good <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102051" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102051</a> and its a crossfire edition card. If you would rather have 512 mb this ones decent <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814142064" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814142064</a>. This one clock speed isn't that high but if you are on a budget this would be ok i guess <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102022" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102022</a>. Keep in mind that prices are always changing so check <a href="http://www.pricegrabbers.com" target="_blank">www.pricegrabbers.com</a> often for the lowest prices and check the stores reliabilty at <a href="http://www.reselleratings.com" target="_blank">www.reselleratings.com</a>
 

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You guys have just about covered everything, but in answer to your question about HDs, there's nothing that says you *can't* have three hard drives, but more than two are said to cause instability.
 

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okay guys here's what I chose, yet to order anything. need a confirmation :<br />
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Mobo : ASUS P5W DH Deluxe Digital Home Series : <br />
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<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000H5UK6M/ref=ord_cart_shr/102-3051381-2200105?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=UTF8&v=glance</a><br />
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CPU : Intel Core 2 Duo 2.40GHZ E6600 : <br />
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<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000GGQCIM/ref=ord_cart_shr/102-3051381-2200105?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...X0DER&v=glance</a><br />
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Ram : OCZ Enhanced Latency Dual Channel Platinum XTC Edition - Memory - 2 GB : <br />
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<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000FSVZQ0/ref=ord_cart_shr/102-3051381-2200105?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A9B09ZK9BZJQ6&v=glance" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...BZJQ6&v=glance</a><br />
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GPU : Radeon X1900 Xtcrossfire 512MB Connect3d :<br />
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<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000EDHGBE/ref=ord_cart_shr/102-3051381-2200105?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A9B09ZK9BZJQ6&v=glance" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...BZJQ6&v=glance</a><br />
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I can only buy from amazon, as newegg and tigerdirect doesnt do business with international customers.<br />
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The problem is that I haven't even got a case or psu or a cooling solution if needed. What am I missing ? <br />
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Are those parts compatible ? do you think I should change any of this, feel free to suggest anything, as long as its available at amazon.
 

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Well by using pricegrabbers you could maybe find stores that cater to international customers that might have cheaper products. And for the radeon card I hear that the fan is really loud and noisy so you might want to replace it. Theres a really good one that I can't recall right now, I think its the VF-900 or something like that. If you have money I would suggest a full tower case, such as a Thermaltake Shark or Tsunami. But you would have to buy a seperate PSU. Some cases will come with a PSU, but it will ususally not be enough to power your rig. <br />
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<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-VA7000BWA-Black-Shark-Prescott/dp/B0006OCZUI/sr=8-1/qid=1159736534/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-8300173-5715918?ie=UTF8&s=electronics" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-VA...&s=electronics</a><br />
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I'd recomment this PSU: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-PowerStream-600-Watt-PowerFlex-Adjustable/dp/B000GANDKI/ref=sr_11_1/104-8300173-5715918?ie=UTF8" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-PowerStrea...715918?ie=UTF8</a>
 

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yea i know, but they state that they dont use international credit cards in their websites, and its a pain actually.<br />
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I don't think that I'll change the fan, im not an expert in this kind of stuff :<br />
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how about this one : <br />
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<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Radeon-X1900-XTX-Graphics/dp/B000FN9XGY/sr=8-7/qid=1159737596/ref=pd_bbs_7/102-3051381-2200105?ie=UTF8&s=electronics" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Radeon...&s=electronics</a><br />
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or this nvidia : <br />
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<a href="http://www.amazon.com/XFX-PV-T71F-YDF9-7900GTX-512MB-Pcie/dp/B000F1SC86/sr=8-5/qid=1159737725/ref=pd_bbs_5/102-3051381-2200105?ie=UTF8&s=electronics" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/XFX-PV-T71F-YD...&s=electronics</a>
 
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