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Greetings All!

Just seeing if it's still worth upgrading this old horse or if it's time to put it out of it's misery.

Current Rig
i5-2500k, 8GB DDR3-1600, R9 390

Upgrade Idea 1 (Used)
CPU to i7-2600k ($90+/-) | 16 GB DDR3-2400 ($60)
Total: ~ $150

Upgrade Idea 2 (New)
Ryzen 5 1600AF ($85) | Asus ROG B450-I ($140) | 16GB DDR4-3200 ($70)
Total: ~$295

Which one?
 

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Definitely #2.

The 2600K can hold its own still, if overclocked, but I don't think its worth buying one anymore at this point. That's a lot of money to put into a long dead platform.

Watch your RAM choice for the 1600AF. There's reason to believe that its 2600 cores with the 1600 memory controller. Hence the name. It performs like a 2600 in benches, so there has to be a reason it still has the 1600 branding. So make sure your RAM will play nice with 1st gen Ryzen.

It'll be a hell of an upgrade for you. And when it's 10 yrs old, you'll be able to get a used 16 core chip to drop in.
 
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Definitely #2.

The 2600K can hold its own still, if overclocked, but I don't think its worth buying one anymore at this point. That's a lot of money to put into a long dead platform.

Watch your RAM choice for the 1600AF. There's reason to believe that its 2600 cores with the 1600 memory controller. Hence the name. It performs like a 2600 in benches, so there has to be a reason it still has the 1600 branding. So make sure your RAM will play nice with 1st gen Ryzen.

It'll be a hell of an upgrade for you. And when it's 10 yrs old, you'll be able to get a used 16 core chip to drop in.
Thanks for the response!

I found a few videos that are making it a little harder to bite the bullet and change because it seems like it still has a little life left, but like you mentioned, unless I get it REALLY cheap, it's not worth keeping the 1155 socket.

 

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2nd, that's a no brainer:
1. Platform that you can punch an even faster CPU later on
2. Except for some really wildly done games, 1600 does better everywhere

3. You can throw even faster memory
4. Scores on this video are so wild it's impossible. Good luck staying credible, if 2500k gets same performance as R5 2600 in AC Odyssey.
 

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Thanks for the response!

I found a few videos that are making it a little harder to bite the bullet and change because it seems like it still has a little life left, but like you mentioned, unless I get it REALLY cheap, it's not worth keeping the 1155 socket.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frNjT5R5XI4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huKwuauhCVQ
If you already had a 2600k or 2700k I would just use that until the 10900k comes out then do a full upgrade. Going from a very old 4/8T system to 10/20T is huge.
Since you have a 2500k, even more reason to wait for the 10900k. Don't sink any more money into that 1155. When the 10900k is out, you can grab that or see what is happening with Zen 3 and then choose. Either way you're going to be very happy =.
 

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If you already had a 2600k or 2700k I would just use that until the 10900k comes out then do a full upgrade. Going from a very old 4/8T system to 10/20T is huge.
Since you have a 2500k, even more reason to wait for the 10900k. Don't sink any more money into that 1155. When the 10900k is out, you can grab that or see what is happening with Zen 3 and then choose. Either way you're going to be very happy =.

Uhh... He stays on 2500k for a reason, suggesting grabbing a 10900k is terribly out of place :D
 

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Uhh... He stays on 2500k for a reason, suggesting grabbing a 10900k is terribly out of place :D
Correctamundo! I'm just a casual gamer and tend to multi task more. I don't need to squeeze every FPS out or need the latest and greatest. So the 10900k is more than likely going to be overkill and over budget.
 

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I'm running a 2500K.
Two machines here, sitting side by side...

One is a 2500K with 16gb DDR3-1600
Other is a 4690K with 32gb DDR3-1600

Both using an MSI RX 580 8GB GPU.

Both running at 2560x1440

2500K rig is running Windows 7.
4690K rig is running Windows 10.


Both running games like Black Desert, GTA5, Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen... all installed on an SSD, running at various graphic settings.

The 2500K barely keeps up at around 5 - 10 FPS, while the 4690K runs at 25 - 40 FPS.

On Black Desert, I have to run the game at its lowest graphic settings with the 2500k and it barely runs... about all I can do there is run life skill stuff like afk fishing and cooking
While on the 4690K, I can run the game at high settings and get around 50 - 55 fps.

Switching Resolution on both to 1080p and the 2500K starts to fair a lot better, while the 4690K just shreds it in comparison.

All though... I must say, I am thinking of retiring the 2500K... I want to maybe replace the 4690K with a 10600K and then use the 4690K to upgrade the 2500K's rig.
 

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I'm running a 2500K.
Two machines here, sitting side by side...

One is a 2500K with 16gb DDR3-1600
Other is a 4690K with 32gb DDR3-1600

Both using an MSI RX 580 8GB GPU.

Both running at 2560x1440

2500K rig is running Windows 7.
4690K rig is running Windows 10.


Both running games like Black Desert, GTA5, Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen... all installed on an SSD, running at various graphic settings.

The 2500K barely keeps up at around 5 - 10 FPS, while the 4690K runs at 25 - 40 FPS.

On Black Desert, I have to run the game at its lowest graphic settings with the 2500k and it barely runs... about all I can do there is run life skill stuff like afk fishing and cooking
While on the 4690K, I can run the game at high settings and get around 50 - 55 fps.

Switching Resolution on both to 1080p and the 2500K starts to fair a lot better, while the 4690K just shreds it in comparison.

All though... I must say, I am thinking of retiring the 2500K... I want to maybe replace the 4690K with a 10600K and then use the 4690K to upgrade the 2500K's rig.
Yeah, I jumped shipped on the i5-2500k back around March for the Ryzen 1600AF since I got it for $60. At that price it was worth it, and when the next round of ryzen come out, I'll see if I can get a used 3600.
 

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2500k started choking to death four years ago on current release games of that time. That was when people started noticing stuttering issues that the 2600k didn't have.
Trying to run anything decent non-indie within the last 3 years on a 4 core no HT CPU is now not even worth trying. Four core CPU's without hyperthreading are like 12 years old now. (and that's not taking into account Core 2's issues with memory access that Nehalem improved on, since those were still basically two dual cores and linked by FSB).

Someone posted recently that they tried a Core 2 Quad on a current game and it was totally unplayable, and a i7 920 at least had it partially playable (of course these chips had HT).
 

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Personally I would just get a 2600k, no ram, and use that with the ram you have now for another year or so and then upgrade once games that need more than 8 threads actually exist. Yes the 2600k is old but there are literally zero games out today that won't run well enough on it.
 

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I just moved from a 4.9ghz 3770K to a 5.2ghz 10700K (both with a 1080 ti on a 144hz 1440p monitor). while the 10700K is faster and improves frametimes, there was not some sort of night and day difference. Average joe PC gamer probably wouldn't even be able to tell in most cases.
 
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I just moved from a 4.9ghz 3770K to a 5.2ghz 10700K (both with a 1080 ti on a 144hz 1440p monitor). while the 10700K is faster and improves frametimes, there was not some sort of night and day difference. Average joe PC gamer probably wouldn't even be able to tell in most cases.
Anyone with a 2500k today is presumably on a budget and based on that logic they wouldn't need a top of the line CPU because they're most likely not gaming on a 144hz monitor to begin with. With that in mind the difference between an older i5 and older i7 is; even though the max fps doesn't go up massively, the low fps and smoothness factor does. Games are made for 8 threads this gen. U til next gen really drops, best not to over-prepare. Thank you for pointing out this discrepancy.
 

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I currently still run a 2600k oced at 4.4 and it struggles, am finally doing an upgrade myself. In games that like to chew up cpu such as the total war series you really start to see how far behind it is, three kingdoms in particular and warhammer lack the performance I want. I can still run games such as Valorant, Fortnite, CS, League of legends 120+fps steady and I am only on a 1070 Ti however after monitoring performance its usually my cpu that is struggling. Currently plan to see how high I can get this OC before I get a new rig see if it makes much of a difference in games. My friend got his 2600k the same time I did and just upgraded to a 10700k and he says the difference is massive, he had a 2070s gpu in both rigs and both had 16gb of ram the only real difference other than cpu would be his new ram is 2666 not 1600.


If you don't mind playing games on mid settings you could get away with a 2600k for a while, I can't say how long and it would really depend how high you OC.

I would add that the Ryzens 3s aren't so far away and will mix the cpu market up a bit, could see the Ryzen 2 take even more of a price drop.
 

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I currently still run a 2600k oced at 4.4 and it struggles, am finally doing an upgrade myself. In games that like to chew up cpu such as the total war series you really start to see how far behind it is, three kingdoms in particular and warhammer lack the performance I want. I can still run games such as Valorant, Fortnite, CS, League of legends 120+fps steady and I am only on a 1070 Ti however after monitoring performance its usually my cpu that is struggling. Currently plan to see how high I can get this OC before I get a new rig see if it makes much of a difference in games. My friend got his 2600k the same time I did and just upgraded to a 10700k and he says the difference is massive, he had a 2070s gpu in both rigs and both had 16gb of ram the only real difference other than cpu would be his new ram is 2666 not 1600.


If you don't mind playing games on mid settings you could get away with a 2600k for a while, I can't say how long and it would really depend how high you OC.

I would add that the Ryzens 3s aren't so far away and will mix the cpu market up a bit, could see the Ryzen 2 take even more of a price drop.
A game like total war is probably one of very few games that you would see a huge difference in.
 
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