[colombianjesus]

Sorry to start another Intel vs AMD thread guys, but I just can't decide which CPU to choose

This is going to be my very first build. It's going to be MAINLY a GAMING PC, however I am going to start recording/editing gameplay videos and start making youtube commentaries. I also want to get into 3D modeling/some programming since I do want to be a video game designer, but I'm only 16 and a sophomore in high school right now. So I feel that once I do get into more of the professional stuff I could upgrade to something really high end. But that will be once I am done with high school.

Anyways, I have spent countless hours researching and looking at benchmarks for all of my parts, especially the CPU. I just can't decide which one to choose. I know the 8350 has multi-threading technology and that it would help a lot for video editing/rendering. However, I have seen benchmarks showing that the i5 3570k still beats the 8350 in most production tests, while I have also seen benchmarks that show the 8350 winning. In terms of gaming performance, they are both very close but I know the 3570k is the winner in most tests with it's dominant single-thread performance. Since gaming is the biggest priority for this PC, I'm leaning more torwards the Intel side. The AMD chip still is a very viable option, and I keep switching back and forth between the two. Intel does appeal to me more because they seem to be the more advanced company when it comes to manufacturing. The power consumption of the 8350 is a real downside. It's not a major deal though.

These are the builds that I would most likely go with for either CPU:

i5 3570k: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GrAk

FX 8350: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Eywm

I will be playing games such as Battlefield 3, Crysis 3, ARMA 2, Planetside 2, Guild Wars 2, and other high demanding games. I know some games are being optimized for more cores as technology advances, but a lot of people are saying that it will be a while before games go past 4 cores. I know Battlefield 3 is able to use more than 4 cores, but that's all that I know of.

Which CPU do you guys think I should go with or which one do you guys think is just the better overall CPU?

Thanks in advance guys!

 

[sherlock]

First: Do you live near 2-3 hour driving distance of a Microcenter in the US? If you a 3770K from them for $229.99 would be best.

Otherwise get a FX-8350 as it should perform better in Battlefield 3 & Crysis 3+ other multithreaded games, It will also be much better at encoding & data compression. Invest the money you saved( FX-8350 is cheaper than 3570K) into a BEEFY CPU cooler, get a NH-D14 or Phantek PH-TC14PE instead of the Hyper 212 to make your CPU 5-6 degree cooler.

 

[colombianjesus]

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Originally Posted by sherlock

First: Do you live near 2-3 hour driving distance of a Microcenter in the US? If you a 3770K from them for $229.99 would be best.

Otherwise get a FX-8350 as it should perform better in Battlefield 3 & Crysis 3+ other multithreaded games, It will also be much better at encoding & data compression. Invest the money you saved from buyin the FX-8350 into a BEEFY CPU cooler, get a NH-D14 or Phantek PH-TC14PE instead of the Hyper 212.

Unfortunately I don't live near one

I live in Florida and there are no store locations here. I saw the i7 for $230 there and almost cried at how cheap it was :/

 

[malmental]

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Originally Posted by colombianjesus

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Originally Posted by sherlock

First: Do you live near 2-3 hour driving distance of a Microcenter in the US? If you a 3770K from them for $229.99 would be best.

Otherwise get a FX-8350 as it should perform better in Battlefield 3 & Crysis 3+ other multithreaded games, It will also be much better at encoding & data compression. Invest the money you saved from buyin the FX-8350 into a BEEFY CPU cooler, get a NH-D14 or Phantek PH-TC14PE instead of the Hyper 212.

Unfortunately I don't live near one

I live in Florida and there are no store locations here. I saw the i7 for $230 there and almost cried at how cheap it was :/

where in Florida.?
who wants the high TDP and power consumption of AMD.?

 

[sherlock]

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Originally Posted by colombianjesus

Unfortunately I don't live near one

I live in Florida and there are no store locations here. I saw the i7 for $230 there and almost cried at how cheap it was :/

I assume you are quite far away from the 2 Microcenters in Atlanta?

In that case get the FX-8350, it should satisfy your need especially if you overclock it. As you live in Florida don't cheap out on Coolers, getting a PH-TC14PE or NH-D14 instead of Hyper 212 variants (better suited for a Sandy Bridge CPU) would go a long way in keeping your system cool under serious OC.

You also want a motherboard with good VRM if you want to get decent OC out of it, check this thread and get the motherboard with green markings if possible.

 

[colombianjesus]

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Originally Posted by malmental

where in Florida.?
who wants the high TDP and power consumption of AMD.?

I live in Southwest Florida, so the closest one in Georgia is a good ways away

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Originally Posted by sherlock

I assume you are quite far away from the 2 Microcenters in Atlanta?

In that case get the FX-8350, it should satisfy your need especially if you overclock it. As you live in Florida don't cheap out on Coolers, getting a PH-TC14PE or NH-D14 instead of Hyper 212 variants (better suited for a Sandy Bridge CPU) would go a long way in keeping your system cool under serious OC.

You also want a motherboard with good VRM if you want to get decent OC out of it, check this thread and get the motherboard with green markings if possible.

I live in Southwest Florida, so Atlanta is more than a 10 hour drive D: But thanks for the advice! Really appreciate it

 

[FlashFir]

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I know the 8350 has multi-threading technology and that it would help a lot for video editing/rendering. However, I have seen benchmarks showing that the i5 3570k still beats the 8350 in most production tests, while I have also seen benchmarks that show the 8350 winning. In terms of gaming performance, they are both very close but I know the 3570k is the winner in most tests with it's dominant single-thread performance.

You nailed it. All answers everyone is and will be giving are based on the idea of HOW multi-threaded is your average workload going to be. Going off from there that's where all the debate will be.

There ya go in bold. If your workloads will make use of and you will yourself notice the multi-threadedness pull through then the 8350 is a great option.

Both chips can clock very high and you'll be satisfied. Now which one is best? How multi-threaded are your production tests? If they are very multi-threaded (utilize more than 4 cores) then you'll have to judge which will be better.

 

[malmental]

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Originally Posted by colombianjesus

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Originally Posted by malmental

where in Florida.?
who wants the high TDP and power consumption of AMD.?

I live in Southwest Florida, so the closest one in Georgia is a good ways away

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherlock

I assume you are quite far away from the 2 Microcenters in Atlanta?

In that case get the FX-8350, it should satisfy your need especially if you overclock it. As you live in Florida don't cheap out on Coolers, getting a PH-TC14PE or NH-D14 instead of Hyper 212 variants (better suited for a Sandy Bridge CPU) would go a long way in keeping your system cool under serious OC.

You also want a motherboard with good VRM if you want to get decent OC out of it, check this thread and get the motherboard with green markings if possible.

I live in Southwest Florida, so Atlanta is more than a 10 hour drive D: But thanks for the advice! Really appreciate it

just moved from W Palm Beach and lived in FL for 10 years...
how far are you from the Flea Market in Sunrise.?
not being funny but they have some computer outlets there when I left..
I grabbed some serious electronics and some hardware there.

 

[junkerde]

fx 8350 since rendering is an element.

 

[colombianjesus]

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Originally Posted by FlashFir

You nailed it. All answers everyone is and will be giving are based on the idea of HOW multi-threaded is your average workload going to be. Going off from there that's where all the debate will be.

There ya go in bold. If your workloads will make use of and you will yourself notice the multi-threadedness pull through then the 8350 is a great option.

Both chips can clock very high and you'll be satisfied. Now which one is best? How multi-threaded are your production tests? If they are very multi-threaded (utilize more than 4 cores) then you'll have to judge which will be better.

Don't all video editing programs allow the use of hyper-threading? The ones I will mainly be using are Sony Vegas Pro 12 and Adobe After Effects.

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Originally Posted by malmental

just moved from W Palm Beach and lived in FL for 10 years...
how far are you from the Flea Market in Sunrise.?
not being funny but they have some computer outlets there when I left..
I grabbed some serious electronics and some hardware there.

I live in Fort Myers, which is around an hour and a half drive from Sunrise. My uncle lives in West Palm Beach however and I'm most likely visiting him in the next month or so with the family, so I will try to stop by there and see what I can find! Thanks for that piece of info!

 

[FlashFir]

All video editing programs allow use of hyper-threading? That's a poorly phrased question.

Hyper-Threading isn't really a comparison to true cores if it can utilize them... So your question is can Sony Vegas Pro 12 and Adobe After Effects benefit from 8 cores?

 

[malmental]

and so the argument begins, stronger cores vs moar cores.... LoL
hyper-threading vs module (SMT); IPC, power consumption, etc...

I say look for an Intel chip first before going AMD, try to get one on sale or locally someway.
FX-8320 would be my choice if going AMD as the 8350 is not worth the extra coin over the 8320.
but honestly saving a few more dollars for an Intel rig is my suggestion.

no problem on the 'local shopping' info, I hope you get a chance to check it out.

 

[colombianjesus]

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Originally Posted by FlashFir

All video editing programs allow use of hyper-threading? That's a poorly phrased question.

Hyper-Threading isn't really a comparison to true cores if it can utilize them... So your question is can Sony Vegas Pro 12 and Adobe After Effects benefit from 8 cores?

Yes that's my question.

 

[svenge]

If you're not overclocking, you might want to consider the Xeon e3-1230v2. It's essentially an i7-3770 (non-K) without integrated graphics, selling for $240.

 

[Kuivamaa]

For your needs I'd say i7-3770k>FX-8350>i5-3570k.

 

[Awaz]

I was strongly considering AMD. But that would mean potential switching out my PSU as well. So that broke the deal for me and went with intel i5-3570K (originally was going to pick up a i5-2500K).

 

[colombianjesus]

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Originally Posted by Awaz

I was strongly considering AMD. But that would mean potential switching out my PSU as well. So that broke the deal for me and went with intel i5-3570K (originally was going to pick up a i5-2500K).

Do you do any video rendering or use other production apps with that i5? If so, how is it performing?

 

[edalbkrad]

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Originally Posted by colombianjesus

Don't all video editing programs allow the use of hyper-threading? The ones I will mainly be using are Sony Vegas Pro 12 and Adobe After Effects.

Any quadcore can run vegas easily.
After effects is another story, you'll want the fastest cpu and as much ram you can get.
I recommend a minimum of 8GB for 720p and 12GB for 1080p.

Both cpus are on par with each other with the i5 having a slight advantage in games.
The FX8350 is a bit faster at rendering but it also has higher power consumption.

If it was me, I'd get the FX8350 with 32GB RAM, but that's because I use AE everyday.
If you will be gaming more and just starting to learn AE, get the i5 3570K

 

[junkerde]

what do you do more?

 

[colombianjesus]

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Originally Posted by edalbkrad

Any quadcore can run vegas easily.
After effects is another story, you'll want the fastest cpu and as much ram you can get.
I recommend a minimum of 8GB for 720p and 12GB for 1080p.

Both cpus are on par with each other with the i5 having a slight advantage in games.
The FX8350 is a bit faster at rendering but it also has higher power consumption.

If it was me, I'd get the FX8350 with 32GB RAM, but that's because I use AE everyday.
If you will be gaming more and just starting to learn AE, get the i5 3570K

I've used AE before, as I used to make youtube videos but had to stop due to lack of spare time. I was familiar with my way around the program, but it's been over a year since I used it so some of the things I used to know I forgot. But I can quickly catch back up. I will probably mainly use Vegas Pro, however. Would you still recommend the i5 in this case? I will also start doing 3D modeling as well as a bit of programming.

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Originally Posted by junkerde

what do you do more?

Mostly gaming, but I will also start video editing/rendering a lot once I make this computer, as well as 3D modeling and programming.