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Hi Guys,
I'd like to know about your VID and Vcore voltages (minimum/Maximum/ Average).
What's the frequency and voltage for full load?
Is VID equal Vcore at full load? And when on idle?
If you can post a pic of WH-info at full load I'll appreciate.
Mine full load is [email protected],245v (Cinebench R23 test)

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How you will compare this with different settings, that not possible, test how low you can drive 5Ghz allcore manuell VCore CB23 without crash LLC5 then you know it, how good your chip is.
The best chips can do around 1,054V load vcore.

At 5ghz take the cooling not so big effect.
 

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How you will compare this with different settings, that not possible, test how low you can drive 5Ghz allcore manuell VCore CB23 without crash LLC5 then you know it.
The best chips can do around 1,054V.
I have tested this after Delid.
5.0 1.190v.
5.1 1.270v
5.2 1.344v
5.3 1.390v
5.4 1.505v

All tested with 4.3 cache. Above 5.1 it can do 4.8, at 5.1 or below the vCore / vCache is too low for 4.8 and I have to 4.7.

So yeah this CPU has a terrible SP / VID curve but at least it scales very very well up to 5.3 with only a small voltage bump from 5.2 to 5.3 which is nice. 5.4 on the other hand is a while different story lol.. and it turns it into an oven hitting 86-88c in CB23 on 1.505v. I don't even wanna know what happens if I touch Prime95 at that voltage. I can barely keep 1.390 from throttling @ 95c (cores sit at 92-93c the whole time @ 345-355w power draw) if I run P95 Small FFT with AVX enabled so.. that's why I have OCTVB set to -2 all core @ 85c so it can run 5.3 all day in gaming but will save itself and go to 5.1 if it ever gets above 85c rendering or whatever.
 

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Is that Auto VCore or manuell with Allcore 50-54x.
I can say to you a droop over 100mV is good for low VCore under Load and more Stability.
I dont know how stable OCTVB is on MSI, but by ASUS i need more VCore for that as manuell.

I know that it give´s chips can do 5ghz [email protected],057V without delided, my one has needed 1,06xV without delided for that with sometime WHEA.
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2xSP63 has needed arround 1,15V for that and 1,25V for 5,2.
 

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Is that Auto VCore or manuell with Allcore 50-54x.
I can say to you a droop over 100mV is good for low VCore under Load and more Stability.
I dont know how stable OCTVB is on MSI, but by ASUS i need more VCore for that as manuell.

I know that it give´s chips can do 5ghz [email protected],057V without delided, my one has needed 1,06xV without delided for that with sometime WHEA.
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2xSP63 has needed arround 1,15V for that and 1,25V for 5,2.
Manual with Fixed CPU ratio and voltages. LLC4 (slight vdroop) and AC/DC "mode_2" a.k.a 20 mOhm.

Minimums for CB23 might be a bit lower for them as I tested more then just CB23, these voltages are for 24/7 100% stability. Tested also Prime95 Small FFT AVX on, Large FFT AVX on, small and large AVX off, TestMem5, H265 benchmark, realbench 2.56, IBT and last a 1 hour loop 3DMark TimeSpy.

OCTVB works fine in the latest BIOS. On the previous it didn't really work well. And it's impossible to use TVB Voltage Optimization on MSI as it's all over the place and causes loads of idle crashes.
 

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Ok it´s also a question of temp and quality of chip, but 100mhz only 2% so it´s not really so important, it´s nice to have but no big difference in performance.
More interesting is that the imc can do.
If it works for you its good,i have let it on the Apex, it give´s me no improvments.
 

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I'm interested in the min/max/avg of WH-info along some hours of operation...
This pic below has 7hs of operation...
One of the things I'm trying to understand is why I have "Core Power Limit Exceeded"...

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You can set Watt and Ampere powerlimits in Bios, your set value´s are reached, the 9900k has max.!!! 191A intel spec´s, i think the 10900k arround 238A max..
So be careful how much you give.
It can also be that spike´s trigger the limit´s.
 

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My configs are PL1=250W, PL2=250W, Amps=255A
I don't know why I have these flags on.
 

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Perhaps you reach the limits for a realy short time,or you must clear bios(perhaps an bios error) and set new, but befor test it with 5,3Ghz.
You have nearly 1,5V with 5,6Ghz of the core´s for a short time.
By 1,243V 5,4Ghz i have 195A 260W for all core´s by heavy prime NonAVX load.

And lower the Ampere limit to 230A, it´s more safe.
 

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My configs are PL1=250W, PL2=250W, Amps=255A
I don't know why I have these flags on.
I don't know either. I've had my 10850K pulling 348+ watts on CPU Package Power and IA Cores Power and I've never seen that flagged. But then again, I've never seen a CPU with Core X Clock of 5.6GHz either, so...
 

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I realized "Core Power Limit Exceeded" is flagged when the windows goes to sleep and return from sleeping.
At 1º boot I think WH-info is not loaded yet, so it can't measure anything...
But when it returns from sleeping HW-info is already reading parameters...
But I can't understand "what power" is triggering this flag.
Could be a bug? Power returning from sleep was just 90W...

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Running R23 no power core alerts...

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All value's are read from uefi or calculate and that you see in hwinfo is only like a slow motion.
The short and long time you can set, the only fast limit is the current.
 

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All value's are read from uefi or calculate and that you see in hwinfo is only like a slow motion.
The short and long time you can set, the only fast limit is the current.
Current is 255A... Is the maximum... I'll try to 350W limit and test.
 

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Some of the throttling flags can be triggered the moment you push the power button or the moment your computer resumes from sleep. I think this happens because the BIOS has not yet had a chance to set the turbo power limits or current limits. If these CPU registers are initially set to 0, the moment you push the power button, power consumption will immediately exceed the 0 power limit so this flag will be triggered within the CPU. It is meaningless information so do not lose any sleep over it.

Keep an eye on the Effective Clock data in HWiNFO. Make sure it is steady for the entire Cinebench run.
 

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