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I've got one system with an aging 4790k in it and 1080 card, i've been toying with the idea of upgrading my rendering/flight sim 8700k 5 ghz and 3200mhz ram rig to the 10900k series, to gain some cores (maybe 3600mhz ram and overclock i think), so in doing so i noticed that SL has a few variants on the 10900k.

For flight sims, higher clock speeds the better, not sure how fs2020 will handle multi cores, but i think more so than xplane.

So all that said, has anyone bought the boxed 10900k and found it was "easy" to overclock say at least 4 cores to at least 4.9 to 5ghz?(and maybe still have one at 5.3)? How does this work out on the average if you just go the standard retail boxed route and not via SL? (my 8700k is from them and has been great)

SL has one for $589 https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/10900k49g?variant=32927024840790 that advertises 4.9 on the cores, i assume that doesnt mean any of them at the turbo (one core only? with boxed) 5.3 that is in the spec? Unclear on the gains here if any (and another 50 to delid).

I was going to go with the more expensive Asus rog maximus xii hero board, as i dont know that the cheaper board version overclocks as well.

I guess if i could make the swap and have one core hit the 5.3 and the others be around 5 or 4.9, this would be a decent upgrade.
Also, whats a typical ram overclock capable of with this cpu combo, ie: if the ram is 3600mhz, 4000? etc

My alternative idea is just to replace the other rig's 4790 with another 8700k and stay the course for now (i might get the 3xxx series gpu when they come out, though that might require changes as well)

Thanks for any input
 

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I've got one system with an aging 4790k in it and 1080 card, i've been toying with the idea of upgrading my rendering/flight sim 8700k 5 ghz and 3200mhz ram rig to the 10900k series, to gain some cores (maybe 3600mhz ram and overclock i think), so in doing so i noticed that SL has a few variants on the 10900k.

For flight sims, higher clock speeds the better, not sure how fs2020 will handle multi cores, but i think more so than xplane.

So all that said, has anyone bought the boxed 10900k and found it was "easy" to overclock say at least 4 cores to at least 4.9 to 5ghz?(and maybe still have one at 5.3)? How does this work out on the average if you just go the standard retail boxed route and not via SL? (my 8700k is from them and has been great)

SL has one for $589 https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/10900k49g?variant=32927024840790 that advertises 4.9 on the cores, i assume that doesnt mean any of them at the turbo (one core only? with boxed) 5.3 that is in the spec? Unclear on the gains here if any (and another 50 to delid).

I was going to go with the more expensive Asus rog maximus xii hero board, as i dont know that the cheaper board version overclocks as well.

I guess if i could make the swap and have one core hit the 5.3 and the others be around 5 or 4.9, this would be a decent upgrade.
Also, whats a typical ram overclock capable of with this cpu combo, ie: if the ram is 3600mhz, 4000? etc

My alternative idea is just to replace the other rig's 4790 with another 8700k and stay the course for now (i might get the 3xxx series gpu when they come out, though that might require changes as well)

Thanks for any input



Z490 APEX is almost the same price as Hero, and if you only care about overclocking I recommend you to get this board instead.




4.9 is the lowest bin 10900K from SL's own page: https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics


Which means that only the 5.0 and 5.1 is the actual "binned" chip.
 

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You just need good cooling and beefy mobo then you can oc 10900k to at least 5ghz all cores. Maybe you can get a decent 1. Who knows?
 

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I've got one system with an aging 4790k in it and 1080 card, i've been toying with the idea of upgrading my rendering/flight sim 8700k 5 ghz and 3200mhz ram rig to the 10900k series, to gain some cores (maybe 3600mhz ram and overclock i think), so in doing so i noticed that SL has a few variants on the 10900k.

For flight sims, higher clock speeds the better, not sure how fs2020 will handle multi cores, but i think more so than xplane.

So all that said, has anyone bought the boxed 10900k and found it was "easy" to overclock say at least 4 cores to at least 4.9 to 5ghz?(and maybe still have one at 5.3)? How does this work out on the average if you just go the standard retail boxed route and not via SL? (my 8700k is from them and has been great)

SL has one for $589 https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/10900k49g?variant=32927024840790 that advertises 4.9 on the cores, i assume that doesnt mean any of them at the turbo (one core only? with boxed) 5.3 that is in the spec? Unclear on the gains here if any (and another 50 to delid).

I was going to go with the more expensive Asus rog maximus xii hero board, as i dont know that the cheaper board version overclocks as well.

I guess if i could make the swap and have one core hit the 5.3 and the others be around 5 or 4.9, this would be a decent upgrade.
Also, whats a typical ram overclock capable of with this cpu combo, ie: if the ram is 3600mhz, 4000? etc

My alternative idea is just to replace the other rig's 4790 with another 8700k and stay the course for now (i might get the 3xxx series gpu when they come out, though that might require changes as well)

Thanks for any input
100% of 10900k's will be able to do 5 ghz on all cores if you have anything stable than piss-poor cooling and a non trash tier motherboard. There hasn't been a single person on this forum or reddit or elsewhere who failed to do 5 ghz on all cores on one. Yes some may require various voltage increases but they will be 100% stable at the right voltage.

The reason SL has a 4.9 ghz bin is because their chips in that bin MUST be guaranteed to run like that on the worst possible configurations, meaning, basically, bottom tier motherboards with Intel stock coolers or terrible 120mm AIO's.
And SL tests the lowest quality chips with low voltages on a top tier board to make sure they will run stable on worse motherboards with worse cooling at stock turbo boost speeds (4.9 ghz with a -1 avx offset for 4.8 ghz with AVX). You can take a SL binned 4.9 ghz chip and those chips will run 5 ghz but may take more volts and some work, when paired on a good board. But better off just buying retail in that case for a possible better than SP63 chip. It's 100% guaranteed that if someone actually bought the worst bin and stuck it in a Z490 Dark or M12 Apex/Extreme or Aorus Master, and put a 360mm AIO on it, it would run 5 ghz all cores without an AVX offset, even if it needed 1.2v load voltage to do so.

I think I saw one total person in the main 10900k thread who had trouble getting 5.1 ghz on all cores, and a few in the silicon lottery losers thread (seems like there's more posts there about 10700k's though).
 

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I think I saw one total person in the main 10900k thread who had trouble getting 5.1 ghz on all cores,
I wonder who that guy was... :p
 

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As others have said you are basically paying extra for a lower binned CPU if you go with 4.9 and are better off buying retail.

No need for an expensive Asus board. I am hitting 5.4 ghz on an MSI MEG z490 Unify which is $300 and this board has a very polished overclocking experience.
 

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Z490 APEX is almost the same price as Hero, and if you only care about overclocking I recommend you to get this board instead.




4.9 is the lowest bin 10900K from SL's own page: https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics


Which means that only the 5.0 and 5.1 is the actual "binned" chip.
Thanks, ill consider that z490 then. It lists ddr4 5000 ram support, the only ram i see with that spec is $980, so i guess thats more in the future. What ram speed at a 5-5.3ghz 10900k is typical to hit then (on 3600 ram?)?
 

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As others have said you are basically paying extra for a lower binned CPU if you go with 4.9 and are better off buying retail.

No need for an expensive Asus board. I am hitting 5.4 ghz on an MSI MEG z490 Unify which is $300 and this board has a very polished overclocking experience.
I've traditionally bought nothing but asus boards, but i guess i should consider this one.

What combination of cores do you hit 5.4? is that 5.4 on a few cores and lower on others?
 

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As others have said you are basically paying extra for a lower binned CPU if you go with 4.9 and are better off buying retail.

No need for an expensive Asus board. I am hitting 5.4 ghz on an MSI MEG z490 Unify which is $300 and this board has a very polished overclocking experience.
I've traditionally bought nothing but asus boards, but i guess i should consider this one.

What combination of cores do you hit 5.4? is that 5.4 on a few cores and lower on others?
Yeah I traditionally bought Asus boards and they had a hard time recovering from a bad overclock. Not sure about their z490 boards. With the Unify, you can have 16 power stages for $300, which means you can hammer a 10900k and the VRM won’t even get hot.

I have a 10700k not a 10900k and it’s stable at 5.4 all 8 cores and 16 threads.
 

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That was my question on the SL binned one, whats the advantage there?

So its better to go retail / boxed and take a chance? When it lists that 5.3ghz frequency, is that meaning one core can hit that, the rest are all core 4.9? edit: nm i see a response on that above i just missed thanks

it's not binned, it's a stock CPU. 10900K does all core 4.9 out of the box.

I'd imagine the SL route is a CPU that overclocks so badly they're not listing a CPU OC at all for it, as for why they're charging a premium for it I'd imagine it's because sometimes buyers don't know what they're buying :D
 

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That was my question on the SL binned one, whats the advantage there?

So its better to go retail / boxed and take a chance? When it lists that 5.3ghz frequency, is that meaning one core can hit that, the rest are all core 4.9? edit: nm i see a response on that above i just missed thanks
If you want a SP 105+ CPU, I would definitely go with SL for that though. You just have to email them first and ask if they can do that SP binning special request.
Then they could test the CPU, show you its VF curve chart, tests at what voltage it does 5.3 and 5.4 ghz on all cores with HT on without an AVX offset, then charge you $1500 for it.
And if you asked them to do that, they would have the power to sell you at top 1% bin, if you offered enough.

There are people willing to pay that much for guaranteed golden.
 

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it's not binned, it's a stock CPU. 10900K does all core 4.9 out of the box.

I'd imagine the SL route is a CPU that overclocks so badly they're not listing a CPU OC at all for it, as for why they're charging a premium for it I'd imagine it's because sometimes buyers don't know what they're buying :D
What about the 5.3 turbo spec, is that only on so many cores technically?
 

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I've got one system with an aging 4790k in it and 1080 card, i've been toying with the idea of upgrading my rendering/flight sim 8700k 5 ghz and 3200mhz ram rig to the 10900k series, to gain some cores (maybe 3600mhz ram and overclock i think), so in doing so i noticed that SL has a few variants on the 10900k.



For flight sims, higher clock speeds the better, not sure how fs2020 will handle multi cores, but i think more so than xplane.



So all that said, has anyone bought the boxed 10900k and found it was "easy" to overclock say at least 4 cores to at least 4.9 to 5ghz?(and maybe still have one at 5.3)? How does this work out on the average if you just go the standard retail boxed route and not via SL? (my 8700k is from them and has been great)



SL has one for $589 https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/10900k49g?variant=32927024840790 that advertises 4.9 on the cores, i assume that doesnt mean any of them at the turbo (one core only? with boxed) 5.3 that is in the spec? Unclear on the gains here if any (and another 50 to delid).



I was going to go with the more expensive Asus rog maximus xii hero board, as i dont know that the cheaper board version overclocks as well.



I guess if i could make the swap and have one core hit the 5.3 and the others be around 5 or 4.9, this would be a decent upgrade.

Also, whats a typical ram overclock capable of with this cpu combo, ie: if the ram is 3600mhz, 4000? etc



My alternative idea is just to replace the other rig's 4790 with another 8700k and stay the course for now (i might get the 3xxx series gpu when they come out, though that might require changes as well)



Thanks for any input


I would not buy a low binned CPU from them. Better to buy a retail and play the lottery yourself. It literally could not be any worse than their lowest binned CPUs. You are essentially paying a premium for a “losing” lottery ticket.


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Thanks, ill consider that z490 then. It lists ddr4 5000 ram support, the only ram i see with that spec is $980, so i guess thats more in the future. What ram speed at a 5-5.3ghz 10900k is typical to hit then (on 3600 ram?)?

5000 ram only on certain kits, not worth it for daily use, mega expensive and most likely you will not feel the benefit





If I were you I'd look at 2x16GB (32GB) of samsung b-die memory, can be had for around 250


3200 14-14-14-34, don't buy corsair


Manual overclocking is needed to fully bring out the potential of any ram kits: https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md
 

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Buying Silicon Lotterys lowest binned 10900K has to be one of the worst hardware purchases you could ever make.

All 10900K are 4.9Ghz all cores out of the box guaranteed. Even paying for the 5.0Ghz chip at $679 is a bad idea. They are literally selling you their worst bins that are essentially stock for a $150 mark up. Just wait and buy a Newegg chip at $529.99 and play the lottery yourself. Odds are that you will get a chip that is better than what they are selling. At worst it will be equal and you will have Intel's 3 year warranty. Better yet you can purchase Intel's overclocking plan for $19.99 https://tuningplan.intel.com/purchase-a-plan, kill the chip and get a free replacement and play again. I see no value in their worst bins, but they are a business and have to sell their bad bins.
 

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5000 ram only on certain kits, not worth it for daily use, mega expensive and most likely you will not feel the benefit





If I were you I'd look at 2x16GB (32GB) of samsung b-die memory, can be had for around 250


3200 14-14-14-34, don't buy corsair


Manual overclocking is needed to fully bring out the potential of any ram kits: https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md


Whats typical overclocked ram speeds (from what to what) then, with this combo?

What does the samsung b-die kit give you over say one of these?

Originally considered this
Gskill Pc4-28880 3600mhz
https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-PC4-28800-3600MHz-Ripjaws-16-19-19-39/dp/B07Z45XB3G/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=Dual+Channel+DDR4-3600&qid=1595872606&s=electronics&sr=1-5
$150

Then i read that this 4000mhz was overclocked to 5k?
Gskill Trident Z series (unsure if this exact one? says pc4 3200 but has 4000 listed?)
$259
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232668?Description=F4-4000C19D-32GTZKK&cm_re=F4-4000C19D-32GTZKK-_-20-232-668-_-Product

edit: found a bdie picker and this, so i guess the avg is indeed $256:
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232901
Gskill

So maybe the above is as well.

Right now i have 2400 ram overclocked to 3200, so i'm curious with the 10900k and new board whats the typical average safe overclock on ram going to end up.
 

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Whats typical overclocked ram speeds (from what to what) then, with this combo?

What does the samsung b-die kit give you over say one of these?

Originally considered this
Gskill Pc4-28880 3600mhz
https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-PC4-28800-3600MHz-Ripjaws-16-19-19-39/dp/B07Z45XB3G/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=Dual+Channel+DDR4-3600&qid=1595872606&s=electronics&sr=1-5
$150

Then i read that this 4000mhz was overclocked to 5k?
Gskill Trident Z series (unsure if this exact one? says pc4 3200 but has 4000 listed?)
$259
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232668?Description=F4-4000C19D-32GTZKK&cm_re=F4-4000C19D-32GTZKK-_-20-232-668-_-Product

edit: found a bdie picker and this, so i guess the avg is indeed $256:
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232901
Gskill

So maybe the above is as well.

Right now i have 2400 ram overclocked to 3200, so i'm curious with the 10900k and new board whats the typical average safe overclock on ram going to end up.

Get 4000C17D-32GTRSB instead. This is the latest kit with the newly designed PCB.
 

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Get 4000C17D-32GTRSB instead. This is the latest kit with the newly designed PCB.
Noted. (https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374012) listed as 1.4v not 1.35 or is that the way it goes with this type.(and higher to oc), no real amazon stock anywhere, just newegg

Its listed as pc3200 ram, so does this imply a 4000mhz typical overclock will be the average then?

Going from 3200 to 4000 should help greatly though, i saw quite a jump in sim fps overclocking my current ram from 2400 to 3200 (i want to say 8 fps, which percentage wise was a bit)
Actually, in that thinking maybe just swapping memory on my current board would be useful and cheaper (it it was even supported on the Hero Z370, looks like it is) if i could hit that with the 8700k (and getting used 8700k and board to replace the 4790 in the other rig).
 
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