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I set out to put together a machine on a shoestring budget, that would at minimum be able to play some of today's games. What I ended up with is this:<br />
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mach Speed P4MBMS VIA Socket 775 - $50<br />
Celeron 341 D 2.93Ghz/245k,533MHz - $49<br />
EVGA GeForce 6600 GT 128M DDR3 AGP $79<br />
ThermalTake Golden Orb II fan - $27<br />
Seagate 160GB 7200/8MB/Sata-150 - $59<br />
Ultra 1024Mb PC3200 DDR 400MHz - $89<br />
Just4PC Gazelle ATX Mid case/450W PS - $49<br />
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All prices are after rebates, and including a new win XP license I spent less than $550 shipped. It went together quicker than snot and fired up on the first try. I let things run at stock levels for a while and decided it was time to start clocking then benchmark. <br />
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I have the CPU running at 3.1Ghz right now, with the memory at stock speed 400Mhz. The vid card I have clocked up about 7.5% stable with no artifacts. If I tweak the RAM speed any more at all, i get little white specks, and one more notch yields large blotchy patches of artifacts, SO i'm right at the edge of what my box will give me without serious mods, which at that point, i'd rather go the new route again <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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My 3dMark03 score is trifling. 8879 <img src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Mad" class="inlineimg" /> <br />
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Any ideas on what I can tweak?<img src="/images/smilies/confused.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Confused" class="inlineimg" />
 

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Honest opinion? Lose the celly. While I think the 6600GT is a great price/performance card, don't expect some incredible benches out of it <img src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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The celeron D is kickin your butt though. What can you expect from a 550 dollar rig!
 

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You should be able to OC that CPU a LOT higher. I believe someone posted not too long ago about OCing a Celeron to 5 GHz! However, I've never heard of that brand of mobo, so that could probably limit your OC, as will your PSU. Not sure what your score SHOULD be for 3DMark03, but it seems it should be at least a little higher. Really don't know what to tell you. It's a budget box, and a fairly able budget box. For the price, it's a good rig, but don't expect to play FEAR on it. I can't even play FEAR maxed out, so don't aim so high. Try playing Half Life 2 at fairly low detail, see how it plays, as that'll be more realistic than a benchmark as far as gaming performance goes.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Honest opinion? Lose the celly. While I think the 6600GT is a great price/performance card, don't expect some incredible benches out of it <img src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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The celeron D is kickin your butt though. What can you expect from a 550 dollar rig!</div>

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</div>Without the rebates, this rig was nearly 900 bucks, so i expect a LITTLE more than what I ended up with. I just hit some crazy timing with the 'bates. I can swap out the cpu easy enough, you really think it's the worst bottleneck in the setup?
 

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Unless you clock it up more, yes, I think it's the biggest bottleneck.
 

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Gte a Pentium D 805 (assuming your mobo supports it) and you wil lget a LOT better performance. However, if your mobo doesn't OC well, you won't reach the full potential of any CPU.
 

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I think you should have got a pentium D 805 (mobo supports it) and some better RAM like DDR2-533. Max the mobo supports. Good build for $550 tho. <img src="/images/smilies/thumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Thumb" class="inlineimg" />
 

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Hmm (shouldn't really start a sentence with hmm to be honest) I do not see why your score is that low. I would expect it to be slightly higher than that, at least 10,000 in 3DMark 03 I would have hoped.<br />
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All drivers for hardware are installed and IRQ's are singular? (Single device assigned per IRQ).<br />
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Agree with X. The Intel Celeron will be the bottleneck in this application as it is incapable of executing enough data in a given time to match the Graphics Processing Unit installed in your computer system (namely 6600GT).<br />
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Unfortunately with your Intel Celeron multiple "Capacity Misses" will occur during execution of data and the running of your system.<br />
Capacity Misses occur when the cache is not large enough to store all the needed values that the processor needs. With less than 1MB L2 cache (16+12KB L1) you will have multiple misses occur as the cache (as mentioned) is not large enough for heavy use.<br />
Due to this, major strain will be placed upon your system memory, which is operating at 200MHz DDR (400MHz) Dual.<br />
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Increasing your memory speed will counteract the memory issue in regards to transferring data to cache at high rates per cycle.<br />
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I would suggest, knowing that the cache misses will be great in games, that you increase the memory speed to at least 500MHz (if it is capable of operating at those frequencies). VDIMM and DRAM Timings can be altered of course to help obtain that goal <img src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" /> <br />
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Overall not a bad system. Should be scoring higher though, so there must also be a few issues (software based) that aren't exactly helping.<br />
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Processor bus speed increasement will help reduce the bottleneck of direct CPU > GPU data transfers. Whereas Core/ALU/FPU clock speed will help with executing data in parallel with the graphics processing unit <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">You should be able to OC that CPU a LOT higher. I believe someone posted not too long ago about OCing a Celeron to 5 GHz! However, I've never heard of that brand of mobo, so that could probably limit your OC, as will your PSU. Not sure what your score SHOULD be for 3DMark03, but it seems it should be at least a little higher. Really don't know what to tell you. It's a budget box, and a fairly able budget box. For the price, it's a good rig, but don't expect to play FEAR on it. I can't even play FEAR maxed out, so don't aim so high. Try playing Half Life 2 at fairly low detail, see how it plays, as that'll be more realistic than a benchmark as far as gaming performance goes.</div>

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as far as gaming goes, i can only complain a LITTLE. BF2142 is horrible. i run it at 800x600 low low low and still only manage about 30 fps until PB kicks me for no apparent reason.<br />
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BF2 on the other hand runs at 40-45 fps at 1024x768 mediums. BHD cranked up runs at 55fps and has been a nice relaxing trip down memory lane. I got my nickname back too...they call me "the Melon Splitter" <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> <br />
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Capable rig, yeah. I dunno, guess i needed a reality check...thanks guys! <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
 

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The_Manual, I was trying to stay away from clocking my system ram based on some older reading which i've lost the link to. i'm willing to try to squeeze blood from a turnip on this one as broken parts yield me the lattitude to replace them whereas random parts upgrades are fearfully frowned upon by the wife unit. If it's BROKEN though...it NEEDS replaced, riigghhhtt??? <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
 

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I wouldnt say that score is to bad compaired to some things, as my 03 Mark was around 8,000-9,000 stock on this rig with a 820 and 6600gt. Check this <a href="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4770563" target="_blank">805 03 Mark with a 6600gt</a> , your not far behind that, and its clocked to 3.2.
 

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VIA is the last chipset I'd use for overclocking. It's like trying to bore out the engine on a ford fiesta, sure you can do it, but it's still going to suck.
 

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My rig was ~$1200 before rebates and I got it down to about $850 with all the rebates... So they're mucho helpful <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile"><br><br>
But you desperately need to get that Celeron out of there. Or upgrade to a new mobo and OC the bejesus out of it. Either option would be about the same price, but OC'ing the celeron would offer more performance than a mere upgrade of the CPU to say a 3Ghz P4...<br><br>
Good luck!
 

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From my personal experience with Celys is that at anything below 200fsb they're just dog slow, I would never run at Cely below 200fsb and with that VIA mobo chances of that happening are impossible.<br><br>
The 6600 GT is a slow card as it is and in AGP they're even slower than PCI-Ex16.<br><br>
But if you can play one or two games with a decent resolution than job well done but remember the saying: You get what you pay for.<br><br>
I think you should start looking in the for sale forums and see if you can snatch a used Pentium 4 6xx.
 

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now i am really bummin. I clocked the CPU and mem speeds up (the memory clock increments based on the CPU clock and I cannot independently control them as I had hoped). The CPU is now running at 3.146Ghz and the memory is at ~220 (440 DDR) - ish. I went thru my services menu and cleaned up any extraneous applications and processes, shut down all virus controls and such (first time EVER that my systray only had 2 icons it it...volume indicator, and the flower from RivaTuner).<br><br><a href="http://members.cox.net/jayd4wg/3dmark03-Results-110506.jpg" target="_blank">Here's the results.</a> I still feel I should be better than this. I guess it's time to cinch up the belt and hold a bake sale. Dawg needs more goodies. This chit's more addictive and much more expensive than paintball.<br><br><img alt="" src="http://members.cox.net/jayd4wg/3dmark03-Results-110506.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"><br><br>
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I know what you mean about the addictive part... It's just a never ending cycle of spending money! I just bought water-cooling and a new PSU to try and get that 3Ghz goal for my AMD. I just have to remember that ARE actually better things to do with my cash...
 

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The problem is the celeron. Even at 4ghz or so they are very slow. Ask the user fstfrddy. He posted a while back saying that his celly at like 3.8ghz performed worse in games than his p4 at ~2.8ghz I believe. If you really want that rig to accelerate, you're going to have to get rid of that board and cpu. Get a board with an Intel chipset such as an 865PE and a 3.0 prescott and you'll be good to go. Overclock the prescott to about 3.6-3.8ghz (which shouldnt be hard) and you'll see a huge difference.<br><br>
Also, remember that 6600GT's are old cards these days. 10,000 or so in 3DMark03 is fine... I got 15,000 with my P4 at 4ghz/6800GT at 440/1200. A 6800GT is as powerful as two 6600GT's.
 
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