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Hey guys!

I'm in the market for a new GPU, as my two ancient HD 4870 512mb versions really just don't cut it anymore. I find myself having to play on low, maybe if I'm lucky some settings on medium on most games that are coming out. Heck, I can't even play BF4
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I get like 2fps

My rig is down below, I game at 1080p and highly highly doubt I'll be going higher any time soon as I'm happy with my current Monitor right now.

Key things to note.
I live in New Zealand, so I cannot use American websites with your awesome prices. So head to www.pricespy.co.nz or www.staticice.co.nz to check out Local prices.
Also, while being able to play on "Ultra" settings for the forseeable future would be fantastic, I'm happy to settle with my performance to dip to medium/high in future games (as you can tell with me sticking to my 4870's for so long)

So with that said, I would love some advice on what to do.
Wait for new cards? I've heard that Nvidia is coming out with a new line soon, but AMD is far off.
Originally I was looking towards a 270x, as that's roughly $300 NZD.

Money is a little tight, with my budget I'll have $300 on April 23rd and $600 on July 2nd. Which gives a rough indication of how much I can save in a certain time period.
So if the cost of one of the upcoming Nvidia cards matches up with the rough time I'll be able to afford it, I'll string out and wait for that to happen, though I don't want to wait too long as I've waited forever already
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Side note: Also contemplating if I need to up my ram from 4 to 8.

Any/All advice is welcome and appreciated.
Though I ask that we keep Nvidia vs AMD fanboyism out of this
 

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i say go ahead and upgrade the gpu now and upgrade the rest of your sig when possible. not sure what cpu you have but that motherboard will hold back any gpu upgrade.
 

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i say go ahead and upgrade the gpu now and upgrade the rest of your sig when possible. not sure what cpu you have but that motherboard will hold back any gpu upgrade.
How/Why will my mobo hold back a GPU upgrade?
Also, updated my rig to show the CPU properly. It's an i5 3470.

& yes, I do need to upgrade my entire rig in a fell swoop, just don't have the funds to do so. Can only do bits at a time
 

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How/Why will my mobo hold back a GPU upgrade?
Also, updated my rig to show the CPU properly. It's an i5 3470.

& yes, I do need to upgrade my entire rig in a fell swoop, just don't have the funds to do so. Can only do bits at a time
probably not a 270X or lower but any higher, a locked i5 might in some games.
 

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I think the sweet spot for 1080p gaming right now is the gtx770 (gtx680) and amd 280x (amd 7970) cards. They max out many games with very good fps. I personally love my gtx770. If you want reasonable overkill I would say gtx780 or amd 290. For the mid level cards I would say gtx760, 670, and 660 ti and on amd the 7950, 270x/7870. Those cards will still play games on ultra if your ok with slightly lower fps. If you dont plan on overclocking, the amd 270 is basically the same as a 270x just clocked lower and its max OC limit is the 270x clocks.

That said, I would recommend the gtx770 or 280x. My experience is with nvidia and can personally say the gtx770 is a great card. Handles BF4 without a problem.
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probably not a 270X or lower but any higher, a locked i5 might in some games.
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How/Why will my mobo hold back a GPU upgrade?
Also, updated my rig to show the CPU properly. It's an i5 3470.

& yes, I do need to upgrade my entire rig in a fell swoop, just don't have the funds to do so. Can only do bits at a time
I wouldnt worry about the i5 or the motherboard at this moment. That cpu should handle a gtx770 or 280x without any bottlenecks or at least VERY minimal bottleneck. Going to 8GB would be nice, if you dont have a SSD you will wish you got one sooner. I would get the gpu you can afford and see how it runs. If you can hold out till next gen intel or at least the revision to Haswell, wait. DDR4 is around the corner so Im personally waiting on that.
 

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Any idea how long a 270X would last being able to run High/Ultra settings?
Last as in how long it can deliver those performance settings? Hard to say but Im sure AT LEAST another year. Im curious to see how DX12 will effect gaming. Others more into the software coding may comment with better knowledge on that.

edit: Not to mention that card can crossfire too so thats an option too.
 

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Any idea how long a 270X would last being able to run High/Ultra settings?
270X is slightly slower compared to a GTX 760 or HD7950 (280). it should last awhile for 1080. i played BF4 MP with a 7950 maxed using 1080 but i had to oc my i7 to 4.5GHz.
 

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Last as in how long it can deliver those performance settings? Hard to say but Im sure AT LEAST another year. Im curious to see how DX12 will effect gaming. Others more into the software coding may comment with better knowledge on that.

edit: Not to mention that card can crossfire too so thats an option too.
My experience with crossfire isn't so great, didn't make much of a difference with my 4870's. Though I imagine it's improved since?
You're right, I could crossfire later on, no doubt the card will get cheaper as time progresses. DX12 looks promising, along with Mantle
 

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I think the sweet spot for 1080p gaming right now is the gtx770 (gtx680) and amd 280x (amd 7970) cards. They max out many games with very good fps. I personally love my gtx770. If you want reasonable overkill I would say gtx780 or amd 290. For the mid level cards I would say gtx760, 670, and 660 ti and on amd the 7950, 270x/7870. Those cards will still play games on ultra if your ok with slightly lower fps. If you dont plan on overclocking, the amd 270 is basically the same as a 270x just clocked lower and its max OC limit is the 270x clocks.

That said, I would recommend the gtx770 or 280x. My experience is with nvidia and can personally say the gtx770 is a great card. Handles BF4 without a problem.

I wouldnt worry about the i5 or the motherboard at this moment. That cpu should handle a gtx770 or 280x without any bottlenecks or at least VERY minimal bottleneck. Going to 8GB would be nice, if you dont have a SSD you will wish you got one sooner. I would get the gpu you can afford and see how it runs. If you can hold out till next gen intel or at least the revision to Haswell, wait. DDR4 is around the corner so Im personally waiting on that.
DDR4 is going to be ridiculously over priced and not much better than ddr3
 

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270X is slightly slower compared to a GTX 760 or HD7950 (280). it should last awhile for 1080. i played BF4 MP with a 7950 maxed using 1080 but i had to oc my i7 to 4.5GHz.
Bf4 multiplayer is tough on a cpu but I would still get a good gpu in the range we are talking and do the system later. Mantle also supposedly helps in the limited cpu power area, DX12 will be doing the same but I just hope more games get that support.

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My experience with crossfire isn't so great, didn't make much of a difference with my 4870's. Though I imagine it's improved since?
You're right, I could crossfire later on, no doubt the card will get cheaper as time progresses. DX12 looks promising, along with Mantle
I havent messed with CF, some love it some hate it. I tried SLI about 2 years ago and wasnt bad but prefer single card setups when possible. Nvidia sli seems to be going really good with kepler (gtx 6xx and 7xx). gtx660 sli is pretty great, beats a single 770, think 780 too but havent checked numbers against a 780 recently.

Sli with matx is hard to maintain good temps, its possible, but cards run at the high end of temps.
 

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Bf4 multiplayer is tough on a cpu but I would still get a good gpu in the range we are talking and do the system later. Mantle also supposedly helps in the limited cpu power area, DX12 will be doing the same but I just hope more games get that support.
I havent messed with CF, some love it some hate it. I tried SLI about 2 years ago and wasnt bad but prefer single card setups when possible. Nvidia sli seems to be going really good with kepler (gtx 6xx and 7xx). gtx660 sli is pretty great, beats a single 770, think 780 too but havent checked numbers against a 780 recently.

Sli with matx is hard to maintain good temps, its possible, but cards run at the high end of temps.
Mantle does help. i play BF4 maxed with my 290 and the i7 at stock and HT off. something i can't do with DX11.

edit: @op, you definitely need to upgrade the rest of your sig if you want to go multi-gpu or else the second gpu will run at 4X. i recommend a single powerful gpu and based on the rest of your current sig . . . the 270X it is.
 

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Mantle does help. i play BF4 maxed with my 290 and the i7 at stock and HT off. something i can't do with DX11.

edit: @op, you definitely need to upgrade the rest of your sig if you want to go multi-gpu or else the second gpu will run at 4X. i recommend a single powerful gpu and based on the rest of your current sig . . . the 270X it is.
Yes, it's looking like 270X is the best bet for now.
Later on I'll need to upgrade CPU+Mobo, will be grabbing an extra 4gb DDR3 shortly after the 270X, so that should hold me over until I have more funds.
I also don't care about AA/MSAA all that stuff, so that'll free up the GPU a little to pump more FPS
 

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Yes, it's looking like 270X is the best bet for now.
Later on I'll need to upgrade CPU+Mobo, will be grabbing an extra 4gb DDR3 shortly after the 270X, so that should hold me over until I have more funds.
I also don't care about AA/MSAA all that stuff, so that'll free up the GPU a little to pump more FPS
you should be good to go. i also play BF4 using a HD7770 paired with a old Phenom quad at 4GHz. Medium and 0 MSAA 1080. you should be able to at least use 2MSAA. the game almost as good looking as C3 in some maps.

edit: hold off on the RAM. see how the game goes with 4GB. get new rams with the new mobo to make sure they are compatible.
 

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i vote for the 270x overclock it to 1200/1300 you should get 280 like fps
 

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Built 2 new computers with i5's and HD7970/R9 280X in the past year for friends. Way overkill for something like LoL and CS:GO, but should be just right for BF4.

I'd go find a used HD 7950/7970 or GTX 670/680 if possible. The 270X roughly corresponds to the 7950/GTX 670 while the 280X = 7970 and roughly matches the GTX 680. There's no reason to pay full price for a current gen card if you can get the same for less in an older card.
 

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I would not bother with crossfire if it uses a crossfire bridge... the 290s seem to work alright in the few games I have played but the other cards I have used... not so much (the 290 don't use a cross fire bridge)

My recommondation is that since you have waited so long for a card you might as well wait for the new NVIDIA cards...

They will be on the new process and NVIDIA will be compatible with GSYNC and whether gsync blows up or not it remains an option for you where this is no guarantee that AMD will have any monitors/card combos that use adaptive refresh rates as of right now... plus I'm not even sure if there current desktop cards support adaptive refresh or if they would need new cards to do that... so even if adaptive refresh monitors came out current AMD cards might not work with it.

So I would go with AMD... that also leaves you with PHYSX and TXAA on the titles that support it... No those features are not the end all be all... but options are nice to have...
 
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