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The thing that I still don't understand is how Intel can get Conroe to do 12 ops/cycle and still use the traditional fsb. Even though it's clocked a bit higher, wouldn't you expect the same bottlenecks to occur? I mean it's dual core (maybe double core?) and it's doing a lot more per cycle. There's no way that the fsb can keep up with the cores. What's the point of having two cores that is capable of doing a great deal but not feeding it properly? This is where I think AMD's archectiture shines with Hypertransport. Also, once AMD moves to 65nm, it'll make it that much harder for Intel to compete with AMD.