Basing life decisions around WoW is not a smart life decision.
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Picking an ISP is not a life decision. It's something you can change at a whim with little if any consequences, which has no effect on your life.
Trolling WoW threads at all is not a smart thing to do.
OP: Even ISDN is enough
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For games you need high quality connections, not a high speed connection. Packet loss is a bummer.
Originally Posted by tolaziforname  Basing life decisions around WoW is not a smart life decision. |
Trolling WoW threads at all is not a smart thing to do.
OP: Even ISDN is enough
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Ha ha. No no, not basing a life decision on WoW Life decision would be to have internet to bring a little more income into home. But I would love to play WoW again once in awhile and it's a little more demanding than my website idea.
Originally Posted by tolaziforname Basing life decisions around WoW is not a smart life decision. |
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Picking an ISP is an important decision that affects many aspects of your life (like streaming movies from sites like hulu, downloading files, and the aforementioned playing a game). It can even apply to phone services if you have VoIP phone services like Vonage.
Picking an ISP based on a single game's performance is not a good thing to do. Comparing prices, reading customer reviews, looking at companies stock, etc. is a good thing to do, especially in the unstable market of today (not sure if the ISP industry is suffering, but we are in an overall recession).
Your use of the word troll does not apply here.
Originally Posted by Coma Picking an ISP is not a life decision. Actually, if you pick an ISP that's good for WoW, you've picked an ISP which will give you much less headache than others. (PACKET LOSS PARTY!! 
Trolling WoW threads at all is not a smart thing to do. |
Picking an ISP based on a single game's performance is not a good thing to do. Comparing prices, reading customer reviews, looking at companies stock, etc. is a good thing to do, especially in the unstable market of today (not sure if the ISP industry is suffering, but we are in an overall recession).
Your use of the word troll does not apply here.
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Sorry, but I'm very network smart, obviously (such as packet loss? no idea what that means). How do I know if the basic service at comcast has a quality connection? What if their more costly service is better about the packet loss than the basic service? Things like that.
But good answer.
Originally Posted by Coma Picking an ISP is not a life decision. It's something you can change at a whim with little if any consequences, which has no effect on your life. Trolling WoW threads at all is not a smart thing to do. OP: Even ISDN is enough
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But good answer.
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I've used several sites to research customer reviews, but they all don't help. Some will rip apart their service they signed up for, while others will sing "holy, holy, holy" about their service. Even for the ones that doing the ripping, will be counterattacked by someone explaining why it is so. It all becomes a wash and what not.
The only reason I'm asking about what ISP supports WoW, is because like I've stated, it is the more demanding thing I'll be using. I don't stream much videos or download a whole lot. Just WoW, and basic web browsing. The internet business will be done by a 3rd company web hosting, so I won't need much of ISP there either. So, I've come to the conclusion that I'm looking for an ISP that will support an MMO game.
Originally Posted by tolaziforname Picking an ISP is an important decision that affects many aspects of your life (like streaming movies from sites like hulu, downloading files, and the aforementioned playing a game). It can even apply to phone services if you have VoIP phone services like Vonage. Picking an ISP based on a single game's performance is not a good thing to do. Comparing prices, reading customer reviews, looking at companies stock, etc. is a good thing to do, especially in the unstable market of today (not sure if the ISP industry is suffering, but we are in an overall recession). Your use of the word troll does not apply here. |
The only reason I'm asking about what ISP supports WoW, is because like I've stated, it is the more demanding thing I'll be using. I don't stream much videos or download a whole lot. Just WoW, and basic web browsing. The internet business will be done by a 3rd company web hosting, so I won't need much of ISP there either. So, I've come to the conclusion that I'm looking for an ISP that will support an MMO game.
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Picking an ISP based on a single game's performance also guarantees good performance in everything else, because it would mean the connection has little or no packet loss. Coincidentally, that would make streaming movies, downloading and VoIP perform better.
It would be okay if you came in here and said right away "Picking an ISP based on a single game's performance is not a good thing to do", but you said "Basing life decisions around WoW is not a smart life decision.", implying, through mentioning "life decision" and WoW, that this person fits the stereotype of somebody whose life revolves around WoW, and that's trolling.
Oh, and by the way, why does Hulu, VoIP or downloading take precedence over WoW? Do you make "life decisions" based on a single service? For all you know, this person doesn't use Hulu, VoIP and only downloads small software, so a connection that works well for WoW would the best.
He was concerned about packet loss ("consistent signal") and whether a slow connection is enough for WoW (he's on a budget). He didn't ask about video streaming or VoIP.
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* Pick an ISP based only on pricing
* Connect to WoW, log in to the realm you play on, start -> run -> cmd -> netstat -n -p TCP
* Search for the connection at port 3724. (looks like this: TCP 192.168.1.62:3884 80.239.179.44:3724 ESTABLISHED)
* Start a new thread asking people to tracert the IP and post their results, paying special attentions to packet loss (attempts marked as *), or high ping in the first few loops
* You'll eventually reach a loop where everything is marked as * - this is okay, it's Blizzard's firewall.
Your goal is to find the ISP with as little packet loss or high pings. Things to watch out for:
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Note you have to use the IP, because while this IP's reverse lookup is set to host-44.wow-europe.com, that host doesn't resolve to anything.
Do this several times until you find your best option. (consistently low latency, few/no lost packets)
Originally Posted by tolaziforname Picking an ISP is an important decision that affects many aspects of your life (like streaming movies from sites like hulu, downloading files, and the aforementioned playing a game). It can even apply to phone services if you have VoIP phone services like Vonage. Picking an ISP based on a single game's performance is not a good thing to do. Comparing prices, reading customer reviews, looking at companies stock, etc. is a good thing to do, especially in the unstable market of today (not sure if the ISP industry is suffering, but we are in an overall recession). Your use of the word troll does not apply here. |
It would be okay if you came in here and said right away "Picking an ISP based on a single game's performance is not a good thing to do", but you said "Basing life decisions around WoW is not a smart life decision.", implying, through mentioning "life decision" and WoW, that this person fits the stereotype of somebody whose life revolves around WoW, and that's trolling.
Oh, and by the way, why does Hulu, VoIP or downloading take precedence over WoW? Do you make "life decisions" based on a single service? For all you know, this person doesn't use Hulu, VoIP and only downloads small software, so a connection that works well for WoW would the best.
He was concerned about packet loss ("consistent signal") and whether a slow connection is enough for WoW (he's on a budget). He didn't ask about video streaming or VoIP.
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Originally Posted by Krusher33 I've used several sites to research customer reviews, but they all don't help. Some will rip apart their service they signed up for, while others will sing "holy, holy, holy" about their service. Even for the ones that doing the ripping, will be counterattacked by someone explaining why it is so. It all becomes a wash and what not. The only reason I'm asking about what ISP supports WoW, is because like I've stated, it is the more demanding thing I'll be using. I don't stream much videos or download a whole lot. Just WoW, and basic web browsing. The internet business will be done by a 3rd company web hosting, so I won't need much of ISP there either. So, I've come to the conclusion that I'm looking for an ISP that will support an MMO game. |
* Connect to WoW, log in to the realm you play on, start -> run -> cmd -> netstat -n -p TCP
* Search for the connection at port 3724. (looks like this: TCP 192.168.1.62:3884 80.239.179.44:3724 ESTABLISHED)
* Start a new thread asking people to tracert the IP and post their results, paying special attentions to packet loss (attempts marked as *), or high ping in the first few loops
* You'll eventually reach a loop where everything is marked as * - this is okay, it's Blizzard's firewall.
Your goal is to find the ISP with as little packet loss or high pings. Things to watch out for:
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| Tracing route to host-44.wow-europe.com [80.239.179.44] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 246 ms 42 ms 471 ms pt114-110.nas.bezeqint.net [212.25.114.110] 3 924 ms 909 ms 908 ms bzq-117-236-65.static.bezeqint.net [192.117.236. 5] 4 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms bzq-219-189-129.cablep.bezeqint.net [62.219.189. 29] 5 13 ms 11 ms 12 ms bzq-219-189-150.cablep.bezeqint.net [62.219.189. 50] 6 929 ms 949 ms 943 ms bzq-179-124-22.static.bezeqint.net [212.179.124. 2] 7 85 ms 85 ms * 212.113.15.77 8 83 ms 86 ms 85 ms ae-12-51.car2.London1.Level3.net [4.68.116.16] 9 84 ms 83 ms 90 ms telia-level3-ge.London1.Level3.net [4.68.111.182 10 85 ms 97 ms 100 ms ldn-bb2-link.telia.net [80.91.251.14] 11 88 ms 89 ms 88 ms prs-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.64.9] 12 97 ms 88 ms 104 ms prs-b1-link.telia.net [80.91.250.253] 13 89 ms 90 ms 89 ms prs-tc-i1-link-telia.net [80.91.250.30] 14 * * * Request timed out. |
Do this several times until you find your best option. (consistently low latency, few/no lost packets)
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You mean advertised by the ISP right? Or does game servers also advertise (or post as a requirement) and I just can't seem to find the answer?
Each ISP I researched, the question in my mind is always, how much of a bandwidth do I need? Any salesman/woman you ask and all you get is "Yes, buy me now or hang up!".
Originally Posted by DuckieHo Packet Loss: data gets lost along the way to the destination Latency: time it takes data to go from your PC to WoW server Bandwidth: How many packets you are allowed to send and recieve in a second All affect your gaming. Bandwidth is advertised and the easiest to measure. The other two are nearly impossible to know with asking neighbors or testing. |
Each ISP I researched, the question in my mind is always, how much of a bandwidth do I need? Any salesman/woman you ask and all you get is "Yes, buy me now or hang up!".
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It is not the responsibility of the ISP to know what you need.
Dial Up is fast enough to play WoW but you probably want something a bit faster.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...65190648&sid=1
Originally Posted by Krusher33 You mean advertised by the ISP right? Or does game servers also advertise (or post as a requirement) and I just can't seem to find the answer? Each ISP I researched, the question in my mind is always, how much of a bandwidth do I need? Any salesman/woman you ask and all you get is "Yes, buy me now or hang up!". |
Dial Up is fast enough to play WoW but you probably want something a bit faster.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...65190648&sid=1
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Holy crap! You scare me naming off all the cities in my area like that!
Originally Posted by MastrBlaster The only difference in quality for comcast is gonna depend on what area you live in. I have had Comcast in Franklin, Murfreesboro and Knoxville. Worked completely fine in all those areas (including WoW). |
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