[th3illusiveman]

Just got abit curious about this and i was wondering if someone had hard data to compare with.

Obviously running at 7970 at those speeds on anything other than LN2 isn't a possibility (you would need a nuclear powerplant to do so as well) and it seems to be a speed most 980s reach on air so no a very practical comparison but an interesting one. I also know a 290X (@ stock) would be left behind by a 7970 at those speeds but what about the current champ?

They both have around the same core count (~2000) and TMU's (128), but the 980 has 2X the amount of ROPs and 1GB more VRAM. Of course they also have completely different architectures but it seems GCN scales better with frequency than Kepler and Maxwell and is more comparable to Fermi so would a 1500Mhz 7970 challenge a 1500Mhz 980?

 

[Shaded War]

Here is a 7970 at 1800Mhz overclock.

 

[th3illusiveman]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaded War

Here is a 7970 at 1800Mhz overclock.

found a 7970 at 1500Mhz in

Not looking good for the 7970.

 

[Alatar]

Almost all the 3dm LN2 runs you're going to find with the 7970 are going to be done without tesselation because there's very little reason to do a dangerous LN2 run while leaving tess on.

This is a super hard question to answer accurately due to all the tweaks involved and the different benches which give wildly different results between different architectures.

 

[th3illusiveman]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alatar

Almost all the 3dm LN2 runs you're going to find with the 7970 are going to be done without tesselation because there's very little reason to do a dangerous LN2 run while leaving tess on.

This is a super hard question to answer due to all the tweaks involved and the different benches which give wildly different results between different architectures.

Found some HWbot numbers, i really don't think the 7970 stands a chance to be honest.

7970 at 1750MHz core / 1940Mhz memory
3DM11 - 19447 GPU score
http://hwbot.org/submission/2339243_mtech_3dmark11___performance_radeon_hd_7970_18177_marks

GTX 980 at 1500Mhz core/ 1928Mhz memory
3DM11 - 22062 GPU score
http://hwbot.org/submission/2670826_george.kokovinis_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_980_18897_marks

The 7970 is more comparable to a GTX 780 Ti at 1450Mhz core/ 2125 Memory
3DM11 - 19111 GPU score
http://hwbot.org/submission/2476361_szeged_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_780_ti_18213_marks/

3DM11 seems more friendly to GCN and 3DM Firestrike seems to favour maxwell so if a 7970 @1750Mhz can't match a 1500Mhz 980 in that i doubt it would win anything.

Very impressive stuff from Nvidia.

 

[bmgjet]

7970 doesnt really stand a chance.
You need to remember that 7970 came out around this time 2011. So its done well to last as long as it has. Its only really a lower mid range card now days.

 

[Worldwin]

A GPU that can max most games at 1080p is lower mid range now? What world do you live in???

 

[damric]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worldwin

A GPU that can max most games at 1080p is lower mid range now? What world do you live in???

1080p is mid-range, but it wont be too much longer before 4K is the new standard.

 

[Worldwin]

Quote:

Originally Posted by damric

1080p is mid-range, but it wont be too much longer before 4K is the new standard.

Most people will not be going for 4k monitors in the near future. Most people will be sticking with their current monitors for the next 2-3 years even with the monitor cost coming down due to the sheer power required to drive 4k. 1080p will be around for sometime and majority of consumers will be aiming for GPU's that max out at 1080p.

 

[Alatar]

Quote:

Originally Posted by th3illusiveman

Found some HWbot numbers, i really don't think the 7970 stands a chance to be honest.

7970 at 1750MHz core / 1940Mhz memory
3DM11 - 19447 GPU score
http://hwbot.org/submission/2339243_mtech_3dmark11___performance_radeon_hd_7970_18177_marks

GTX 980 at 1500Mhz core/ 1928Mhz memory
3DM11 - 22062 GPU score
http://hwbot.org/submission/2670826_george.kokovinis_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_980_18897_marks

The 7970 is more comparable to a GTX 780 Ti at 1450Mhz core/ 2125 Memory
3DM11 - 19111 GPU score
http://hwbot.org/submission/2476361_szeged_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_780_ti_18213_marks/

3DM11 seems more friendly to GCN and 3DM Firestrike seems to favour maxwell so if a 7970 @1750Mhz can't match a 1500Mhz 980 in that i doubt it would win anything.

Very impressive stuff from Nvidia.

Those are still without tess numbers for the 7970. It's a huge factor, especially in 3dm11 which is basically a tess test.

I mean if the 7970 was only barely behind a 780Ti clock for clock then Then the 7970 would be faster than a Titan (both at stock) and the 7970GHz would be about as fast as a 780Ti (both at stock). And GK110 scales just as well with frequency as tahiti does.

In order to do a meaningful comparison you need a full tess 3dm run at 1500mhz. Otherwise there's no point.

 

[bmgjet]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worldwin

A GPU that can max most games at 1080p is lower mid range now? What world do you live in???

Its got nothing to do with what setting it can play it is determined by its price.
7950/7970
280/280x
They are priced around $200-250 at most shops. But can easily find them priced as low as $180-220

 

[rdr09]

Quote:

Originally Posted by th3illusiveman

Found some HWbot numbers, i really don't think the 7970 stands a chance to be honest.

7970 at 1750MHz core / 1940Mhz memory
3DM11 - 19447 GPU score
http://hwbot.org/submission/2339243_mtech_3dmark11___performance_radeon_hd_7970_18177_marks

GTX 980 at 1500Mhz core/ 1928Mhz memory
3DM11 - 22062 GPU score
http://hwbot.org/submission/2670826_george.kokovinis_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_980_18897_marks

The 7970 is more comparable to a GTX 780 Ti at 1450Mhz core/ 2125 Memory
3DM11 - 19111 GPU score
http://hwbot.org/submission/2476361_szeged_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_780_ti_18213_marks/

3DM11 seems more friendly to GCN and 3DM Firestrike seems to favour maxwell so if a 7970 @1750Mhz can't match a 1500Mhz 980 in that i doubt it would win anything.

Very impressive stuff from Nvidia.

that 7970 beat my 290 @ 1300 core.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8776470

 

[Juub]

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmgjet

7970 doesnt really stand a chance.
You need to remember that 7970 came out around this time 2011. So its done well to last as long as it has. Its only really a lower mid range card now days.

7970 can max out older games. Can't max out modern games at all. Watch_Dogs? Crysis 3? Metro Redux? Assassin's Creed Unity? Ryse? Shadow of Mordor? So yeah, it is mid-range as it is almost 3 years old and can't max any AAA game released in 2014.

 

[Alastair]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juub

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmgjet

7970 doesnt really stand a chance.
You need to remember that 7970 came out around this time 2011. So its done well to last as long as it has. Its only really a lower mid range card now days.

7970 can max out older games. Can't max out modern games at all. Watch_Dogs? Crysis 3? Metro Redux? Assassin's Creed Unity? Ryse? Shadow of Mordor? So yeah, it is mid-range as it is almost 3 years old and can't max any AAA game released in 2014.

Dude... No.... Just no....

 

[Juub]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alastair

Dude... No.... Just no....

It definitely isn't a ''lower mid-range''. Just mid-range.

 

[PontiacGTX]

As you want a comparison A 1575MHz r9 290x beats the Midrange GM204

 

[Juub]

Quote:

Originally Posted by PontiacGTX

A 1575MHz r9 290x beats the Midrange GM204

Your point being?

 

[damric]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worldwin

Most people will not be going for 4k monitors in the near future. Most people will be sticking with their current monitors for the next 2-3 years even with the monitor cost coming down due to the sheer power required to drive 4k. 1080p will be around for sometime and majority of consumers will be aiming for GPU's that max out at 1080p.

Are you still using a CRT? Sounds like the same rhetoric I heard a decade ago.

 

[Worldwin]

Quote:

Originally Posted by damric

Are you still using a CRT? Sounds like the same rhetoric I heard a decade ago.

There is a large difference between a decade and 2-3 years that I stated.

 

[icesergio]

Quote:

Originally Posted by damric

Quote:

Originally Posted by Worldwin

A GPU that can max most games at 1080p is lower mid range now? What world do you live in???

1080p is mid-range, but it wont be too much longer before 4K is the new standard.

Worldwin is right... Even if 4k monitors will come down to 200 $ your average joegamer wouldn't have the hardware to drive all them pixels. Think about it... Your typical joegamer has an i5 or an fx and a gtx 760 tier video card... Joegamer's PC will never be able to run at 4k resolution simply because his PC is not capable and I doubt prices for 4k video cards will decrease in the near future