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I want to upgrade my gpu with bf4 and rome 2 on the horizon, my 6950 could not max out bf3 or shogun 2 and there are other games like the witcher 3 coming out as well along with next gen consoles. Now I thought about buying a 7950 or 7970 but I would really like a 9000 series card, unforunately people keep saying they will be 400+ on launch and my budget is maybe 350$. Is it worth waiting for the 9000 series to launch? I would ideally like a 9950 or something.
 

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I would at least wait to see what they offer. Who knows, maybe the new series will also include some kind of game bundle with the choice of BF4 (which can off-set the cost a little if you planned on buying anyway). Besides, if you have no big games you really need to max out right this second, even getting a 7000 series product then (when 9000 launches) may become an even better bargain.
 

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I would honestly wait till they at least release, I would dare say that the 9950 would fall into your budget range, and if not at the very least their release will drive down the price of a 7970, the market will also flood with cheap second hand 7970's that will be proven overclocker's, and you could snap up some of them for the considerably cheaper than rrp.
 

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I would honestly wait till they at least release, I would dare say that the 9950 would fall into your budget range, and if not at the very least their release will drive down the price of a 7970, the market will also flood with cheap second hand 7970's that will be proven overclocker's, and you could snap up some of them for the considerably cheaper than rrp.
I really doubt it drags down the price of any 7000 series card. They're already cheap as is with the 7950 being 230$ in some stores. If anything they'll drag down Nvidia prices. The 7950 and 7970 will drop down as time goes on but I wouldn't hold my breath for a price drop when the 9000 series gets released.
 

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I really doubt it drags down the price of any 7000 series card. They're already cheap as is with the 7950 being 230$ in some stores. If anything they'll drag down Nvidia prices. The 7950 and 7970 will drop down as time goes on but I wouldn't hold my breath for a price drop when the 9000 series gets released.
Oh for sure, I meant their prices will drop a period of time after the 9000 series release (I should of clarified it better), there will also be a lot of people trying to sell them off quick here on OCN and through other means when the 9000 series drops though too.
 

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Oh for sure, I meant their prices will drop a period of time after the 9000 series release (I should of clarified it better), there will also be a lot of people trying to sell them off quick here on OCN and through other means when the 9000 series drops though too.
They're gonna be used cards though. At this point I'd say the 7000 series is a good investment. Hell, I even usually recommend to buy a product only once it's been tried, tested and proven on the market. The 9000 series will be released at their highest price so to me, the only good reason to buy one would be the newer games bundle or if they are far more powerful than the 7000 series for a reasonable price. Otherwise the current gen is a much better investment. Kinda like it's seldom a good idea to buy a console at launch. Better wait 2-3 years once their prices drop and the really good games can be had for cheap.
 

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Considering the current prices of the 7970 it's not a bad plan to buy one if you want as many shaders you can get for your money but for maximum bang for buck it's going to be the 7950 since they go for like 230$ minimum..
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Considering the current prices of the 7970 it's not a bad plan to buy one if you want as many shaders you can get for your money but for maximum bang for buck it's going to be the 7950 since they go for like 230$ minimum..
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Hell, the Windforce 7950 was released for 360$ about a year ago now it's 240$. That's 1/3rd of the price slashed right there. It's an insanely good deal. Especially when its closest competitor, the GTX 670 is a good 60-70$ more.
 

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Hell, the Windforce 7950 was released for 360$ about a year ago now it's 240$. That's 1/3rd of the price slashed right there. It's an insanely good deal. Especially when its closest competitor, the GTX 670 is a good 60-70$ more.
*cough* you mean the GTX760 since the 670 is irrelevant now. In any case the overclockability of the 7950 just decimates the 760 since that is clocked at like 1GHz and the 7950 probably roughly 800MHz that matches the 760 (or is it the 925MHz BE cards that matches the 760?)
We all know that 7950s often hit 1.2GHz on air ...
 

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*cough* you mean the GTX760 since the 670 is irrelevant now. In any case the overclockability of the 7950 just decimates the 760 since that is clocked at like 1GHz and the 7950 probably roughly 800MHz that matches the 760 (or is it the 925MHz BE cards that matches the 760?)
We all know that 7950s often hit 1.2GHz on air ...
Funny you should say that, I've compared the Hawk 760 GPU-Z screenshot to my overclocked 670's and I'd say the 760 is rather irrelevant, it has less shaders, ROPs/TMUs, and gets decimated by my clocks, though not every 670 can hit 1412MHz core and 1752Mhz mem (though granted mine are on water), though some 7950's are also excellent clockers, my brothers early model Sapphire 7950, using the different PCB's clocks pretty damn well on air, it did close to 1.2, I wonder how it would go in a water loop.
 

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Funny you should say that, I've compared the Hawk 760 GPU-Z screenshot to my overclocked 670's and I'd say the 760 is rather irrelevant, it has less shaders, ROPs/TMUs, and gets decimated by my clocks, though not every 670 can hit 1412MHz core and 1752Mhz mem (though granted mine are on water), though some 7950's are also excellent clockers, my brothers early model Sapphire 7950, using the different PCB's clocks pretty damn well on air, it did close to 1.2, I wonder how it would go in a water loop.
I didn't know the 760 has less shaders ROPs/TMUs. But yes the 670 is a awful lot more expensive though maybe Nvidia realized the 670 is making people sway away from the 680 therefore they decided to "cheat" more money out of people therefore culling the 760 which was supposed to be a merely OC'd 670 but it ended up as a chopped 660 Ti. ROFL.

But if it's that way it means the 760 is not what the benchmarks show it to be. It's probably much worse than a 7950 for real
 

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I didn't know the 760 has less shaders ROPs/TMUs. But yes the 670 is a awful lot more expensive though maybe Nvidia realized the 670 is making people sway away from the 680 therefore they decided to "cheat" more money out of people therefore culling the 760 which was supposed to be a merely OC'd 670 but it ended up as a chopped 660 Ti. ROFL.

But if it's that way it means the 760 is not what the benchmarks show it to be. It's probably much worse than a 7950 for real
Why would it be much worse than a 7950? Couldn't we just say the benchmarks the benchmarks don't show what the 7950 really is as well? It goes both ways. As far as actual performance at stable clocks goes it's 670>7950>760. The difference between them is really small though, they are probably all within 5% of one another.
 

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Why would it be much worse than a 7950? Couldn't we just say the benchmarks the benchmarks don't show what the 7950 really is as well? It goes both ways. As far as actual performance at stable clocks goes it's 670>7950>760. The difference between them is really small though, they are probably all within 5% of one another.
Because 7950 = 670 and 760 is a chopped off 660 Ti.
 

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Maybe im hoping for too much but I would like to get a card thats at least double the performance of my 6950 for 350$
 

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Maybe im hoping for too much but I would like to get a card thats at least double the performance of my 6950 for 350$
If you OC the hell out of a 7970, you might get there.
 

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Maybe im hoping for too much but I would like to get a card thats at least double the performance of my 6950 for 350$
in the latest DX11 games like Metro Last Light, Crysis 3, Farcry 3, tombraider a HD 7970 ghz or HD 7970 at 1050 mhz is pretty much 2x or even more than the perf of HD 6950.

Metro Last Light
http://www.techspot.com/review/670-metro-last-light-performance/page4.html

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HD 7970 Ghz - 46
HD 6970 - 24

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/metro_last_light_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,6.html

1920 X 1200
HD 7970 Ghz - 47
HD 6970 - 24
HD 6950 - 22

Tombraider

http://www.techspot.com/review/645-tomb-raider-performance/page3.html

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HD 7970 Ghz - 78
HD 6970 - 44 ( HD 6950 should be around 38 - 40 fps)
 

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The 760 is more powerful than the 660ti...
How so? If i'm not seeing things wrong the 760 has a texture fillrate of 94.1 vs 102.5 on the 660 Ti. (Crank up AF and you will see performance tank on the 760) The only things it has more of are ROPs and memory bandwidth
 

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How so? If i'm not seeing things wrong the 760 has a texture fillrate of 94.1 vs 102.5 on the 660 Ti. (Crank up AF and you will see performance tank on the 760) The only things it has more of are ROPs and memory bandwidth
760 has 96 texture units to the 660's 112 but it has 32 ROP's(they probably gimped the 660ti in that department on purpose) to the 660ti's 24. Its default core clock is also higher at 1033MHZ vs 980MHZ for the 660ti and GTX 670. Boost clock is 1033MHZ vs 980MHZ. That's what allows it to deliver performances right between the two. It's usually around 5-7% faster than the 660ti. I wouldn't call it a stripped down version of the 760. More like an hybrid between the 670 and 660ti but leaning more towards the 670 in terms of performance.
 

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Because 7950 = 670 and 760 is a chopped off 660 Ti.
Do you live under a rock ? Atleast check some specs and benchmarks before making yourself look that stupid.

 
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