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I have an OCZ Fatal1ty 550W, and im planning on getting a 5870 soon. Now, I want to also add a dedicated physx card, something like a 9600GT. The maximum wattage for the 5870 is 212w which equals to 17.6A and the 9600gt is 78w which is 6.5A.

When I see the mechanical drawing of my power supply, it shows that it has 2x12v rails, 25A on each rail.

12V1 runs the Motherboard and CPU, while 12V2 runs all the modular connectors.

Right, so now for my question.

When people find the wattage that the GPU uses, does that include the 75w that the PCI Express slot gives out?

I.E. The 5870 uses 212w but only uses 137w from the PSU.
The 9600gt uses 78w but only uses 3w from the PSU.

You see, if the total wattage on those cards are on the power supply, 290w or 24.1A I would have a problem, because I wouldn't be able to power any hard drives or other drives.
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you should be good BUT you cannot have physx with a ati video card
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you should be good BUT you cannot have physx with a ati video card

You sure?

http://www.overclock.net/graphics-ca...idia-card.html
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It is entirely up to the design of the graphics card to decide how much of the 75W PCI-E power limit to use, it can be anything from 0 to 75W.
You might be able to find this info in the datasheet for the card.
I am working on the Tesla C1060, and have actually done power consumption measurements. I do not have the results with me right now, but I can give you figures for the Tesla tomorrow.
Another thing, I was able to run the tesla on a dell workstation generic power supply, nominally 300W
I was truly surprised as nvidia's datasheet mentions a max power consumption of ~200W
I did actual power measurement using kill-a-watt on the socket and it ranges between 130 to 250W for the entire system. This is measured even before the PSU efficiency factor kicks in!

Does nvidia (ATI) inflate their power requirements?
Dunno...
I haven't really loaded up the card yet, for fear of killing the PSU.
Ill give it a try maybe after my project is over, just out of curiosity.
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The results im talking about, are from a review, where the reviewer took the figures from just the card alone.
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I have an OCZ Fatal1ty 550W, and im planning on getting a 5870 soon. Now, I want to also add a dedicated physx card, something like a 9600GT. The maximum wattage for the 5870 is 212w which equals to 17.6A and the 9600gt is 78w which is 6.5A.

When I see the mechanical drawing of my power supply, it shows that it has 2x12v rails, 25A on each rail.

12V1 runs the Motherboard and CPU, while 12V2 runs all the modular connectors.

Right, so now for my question.

When people find the wattage that the GPU uses, does that include the 75w that the PCI Express slot gives out?

I.E. The 5870 uses 212w but only uses 137w from the PSU.
The 9600gt uses 78w but only uses 3w from the PSU.

You see, if the total wattage on those cards are on the power supply, 290w or 24.1A I would have a problem, because I wouldn't be able to power any hard drives or other drives.

I don't think so. You should be looking at a 750w @ 60amp psu for that.
Your's is:

Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY ~37A
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I don't think so. You should be looking at a 750w @ 60amp psu for that.
Your's is:

Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY ~37A

Where did you get 37A from? Have I missed something?
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The results im talking about, are from a review, where the reviewer took the figures from just the card alone.

Which figures exactly?...212W and 78W?

Is that total power consumption of the cads (PCI-E + connector)?

Whatever the case, you cannot say if the card will use up all of the 75 W limit on PCI-E or part of it, untill you measure/look at the datasheet/know the design
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Which figures exactly?...212W and 78W?

Is that total power consumption of the cads (PCI-E + connector)?

Whatever the case, you cannot say if the card will use up all of the 75 W limit on PCI-E or part of it, untill you measure/look at the datasheet/know the design


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For this test we measure power consumption of only the graphics card, via PCI-Express power connector(s) and PCI-Express bus slot. A Keithley Integra 2700 with 6.5 digits is used for all measurements. Again, the values here reflect card only power consumption measured at DC VGA card inputs, not the whole system.
Seems both, I nearly had a heart attack when you asked if it tested both

I have looked up 2 datasheets now, and still nothing.
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Ya, your good to go. 500 watt for a 5870 is recomended, it is a good psu so it is a true 500. Adding the second card? I would have to say yes but how long is the question.
Ok..
I went through the review you quoted.
It does look like they have taken both PCI-E and connector power into consideration.

Also, check this out if you havent already...
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/26...l-power-hd5870

Notice that going from 1 card to 2 cards makes the recommended power supply requirement go from 500W to only 600W.

Since these figures are officially from ATI, I think you would easily be able to run your setup.

Also, doing some math...
out of 212, assume atleast 50 out of PCI-E (probably more like 60)
thats ~ 13A off the connector.
For 9600, assume 50W off connector (probably much lesser in reality)
thats ~4A
so you only have 17A going off the 2nd rail...

I think you should be fine.

To add to that, the techpowerup review said 'Maximum' case as done with furmark...unlikely to get those loads in games...ever...

so on the whole, I think you should be fine...
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550 is pushing it for sure,If it works i would have to imagine just barely and will blow your PS sooner...
i would recommend at least a 650w Psu to be on the safe side... Why risk the other hardware when you know you are on limit.
Well, I will be getting the 5870 this month and then install the 9600gt only next year when I can afford it. By then I might have enough to buy another PSU.
Because its early next year, early January
I think I need to go to bed lol. http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...s_power_supply

Judging from that, you have two 12 volt rails witch means the power is split up half and half. 225 watts to your mobo and physX card(good to go). Then you have 225 for the 5870,that seems like an issue. I would just not OC your 5870 and you should be fine.

Correct me if I'm wrong since it is late at night.
Lol! You have confused me now so thanks. I think its all about the amps. 25A and 25A, not 225 and 225. 25A is actually 300w
Watts = amps*volts.

You have two 25A +12V rails, but that doesn't mean that you have 50A total. You probably have around 35A total. Each rail can deliver up to 25A before the PSU shuts down (probably more like 27A).

So a 5870 will draw up to 188W, or 15.7A. The rest of your system (you said you're going to be using a 9800GT as PhysX?) is probably going to draw ~200W or 16.6A. Call it 33A total. Out of 35-36A total. You are going to be pushing this PSU to its limits. I strongly suggest a quality 650W or 750W power supply.
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