Personally, I think you are on a decent platform for the time being. An 8150 should be more than enough to play games with the 670 for now. If you can wait for Haswell and the 1150 socket, that is where you are going to start seeing a big difference.Originally Posted by jcgamer
So I've been thinking of going Intel for the first time and I have no idea what to choose. I hear Ivy us better than Sandy, but not by much. Then I hear get an i5 for gaming rather than a i7 so I figured I'd come to you guys for help. I also plan on getting the Crosshair from Asus, but I know the z77 is a much favored board as well.
I'm open to all suggestions so fire away!
there willl be a performance increase with haswell over ivy bridge but how much i think is still rumors. probablly like 6 - 10%. rumors like intel bringing back BCLK overclocking makes it attactive to me if they doOriginally Posted by jcgamer
Ahh you're right, sorry about that! I meant to say Maximus. And I haven't heard about Haswell yet. Will it be a major improvement? If so then I can definitely wait a couple more months.
And also I do plan to overclock and budget is not an issue.
I was going to eventually update the CPU but I've been noticing that Intel is doing much better performance wise. It feels like AMD is more budget now than anything and that's not what I want to go for.Originally Posted by martinhal
I would hold onto your current rig , it is decent. Wait for Haswell and see how that goes . SB and IB chips will drop in price and you may even be able to pick up a delided IB chip then. Do you have an upgrade path on your current board ?
not if your going to wait for haswell, different socket LGA1150 and newer chipset. z77's are use the LGA1155 sck.Originally Posted by jcgamer
Yeah I think I'll wait for Haswell if that's the case. I'll have to do a little research on it once I'm home from work. Do you recommend the Z77 or the Maximus for mobo?
Yes but I don't think games will be utilizing 8 threads for a long time. The OP can always sell his i5 and get an i7 in 5 years if it's really an issue. And next gen consoles aren't using anything nearly as strong as the 3570K even with 8 threads. And hyperthreading at best is what, a 20% performance boost?
No one here can tell you the answer, and if they try, they are BSing you. Haswell might be what sandy bridge was, a huge leap in technology and for power users like us. Or, it could be the next bulldozer, a total flop. Initial estimates say a 10% performance boost I think. I think they said 15% with ivy over sandy and in real world applications that is more like 5-8% and only in synthetic benchmarks is it even close to 10%.
I have no idea what delidding is so for that part, I have no clue.Originally Posted by Belial
Depends.
Are you okay with delidding? Do you want to delid, does it interest you at all, does it seem like a chore or does it seem fun...
http://www.overclock.net/t/1313179/official-delidded-ivy-bridge-club
If you are okay with delidding, I'd pay up to $40 more for Ivy, more or less depending on how cool or fun delidding seems to you.
If you are not okay with delidding, i'd recommend sandy bridge unless Ivy costs the same.
It really depends on who you are as a user and prices.
Do you live near microcenter? Where do you plan to buy from?
Yes but I don't think games will be utilizing 8 threads for a long time. The OP can always sell his i5 and get an i7 in 5 years if it's really an issue. And next gen consoles aren't using anything nearly as strong as the 3570K even with 8 threads. And hyperthreading at best is what, a 20% performance boost?
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/701?vs=551
i5-3570K vs i7-3770k. I know anandtech is hardly the best source on this but it's clear that for most programs, the i7 is just better because it has a larger cache. There's no reason to get an i7 over an i5 for gaming. Put that $100 into a better GPU. A 7950 is a lot better than the 7850, for example.
Also PCI 3.0 is not really important. It only really comes out on tri-sli 680s. If the OP is asking "should I get sandy or ivy, i5 vs i7" then I'm pretty sure he's not spending over $1000 on his GPUs and thus should not worry about pci 3.0.
No one here can tell you the answer, and if they try, they are BSing you. Haswell might be what sandy bridge was, a huge leap in technology and for power users like us. Or, it could be the next bulldozer, a total flop. Initial estimates say a 10% performance boost I think. I think they said 15% with ivy over sandy and in real world applications that is more like 5-8% and only in synthetic benchmarks is it even close to 10%.
Personally, i wouldn't hold my breath. The release of haswell isn't going to make ivy bridge plummet in value, anyways, so worst case scenario, you sell your ivy bridge, or sandy bridge, and buy haswell. Or not, whatever. Haswell's release isn't going to make your sandy or ivy any slower either.
And have you heard about Broadwell? Then, Skylake man, dd4 and quadcore mainstream support. If you were REALLY smart you'd wait 2 years for Broadwell. Well, they say 2 years, in reality it'll probably be 3-4. The next big thing is always around the corner man, if you play this game you'll never have a computer.
AMD is only 'bad' because of price, but they'll come down. Right now I'd recommend the Phenom X4 for $200-400 computer builds, and the i5 for $400-1000 computer builds. I think my sig rigs are relevant to this discussion.
Also bear in mind Haswell (and ivy bridge extreme, ***, that's going to be $400+ just for the cpu) will be expensive upon release, and the included motherboards. Yes, the VRM will be on the chip, cheaper mobo. But more expensive chip. Based on your posts about actually caring about money, I think it'd be best if you just bought an i5, sandy or ivy depending on prices and the kind of user you are.
However if you are in new jersey close to microcenter, the i5-3570K is cheaper than the i5-2500k simply because MC doesnt have the 2500k anymore, so that makes the choice very simple! $189 for ivy is cheaper than any sandy you'll find.
As for a motherboard, I'd recommend the Asus P8Z77-V LK $59 at microcenter when combo deal with ivy. It's not as good as the UD3H but it's still a decent board. At $59 it's an absolutely amazing, godly board.
The MSI G41 board for $34 is okay, but only for low overclocks of ~4.5, 4.6, maybe 4.7 if you got a really good chip.
Fortunately we live in the Age of The Goo Gleh, seek and ye shall find the mysts will part.
Well it really depends on the game/application you use, but 99.999%, yes, the i5-3570K is absurdly more power than necessary as it is.
The whole point of building a computer is how easy it is to swap parts. What difference does it make if you have to swap it out. How can you say 'i dont like swapping them out'? If you don't like buliding computers, maybe buildling one isn't the best decision for you? Buildling computers is for fun, not just the value. Although yea I guess even if you hated doing it, maybe building it is the best value still...
Ah. Newegg has 'good' prices on everything, and absolutely stunning specials, but not the best price on everything. Microcenter also tends to always have the best CPU and motherboard prices, as well as awesome case and SSD deals.
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I''ve been building computers for years. What I meant by swapping out is buying a part, buying a new part and replacing it and selling the old part again. I don't like to make purchases only to swap it out a month later is what I meant unless its a MAJOR upgrade.Originally Posted by Belial
Fortunately we live in the Age of The Goo Gleh, seek and ye shall find the mysts will part.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1313179/official-delidded-ivy-bridge-club/0_100
Well it really depends on the game/application you use, but 99.999%, yes, the i5-3570K is absurdly more power than necessary as it is.
If you just told us what games you play, specifically, plan to play, and what settings, we could really flesh out your entire build much better. But gaming does not benefit from hyperthreading, and won't in the near future.
It's entirely possible it might in the far future, none of us can read the future so we can't say for sure, someone would be lying if they said Hyperthreading is future proof either way. For all you know in the future CPUs are just not used anymore and in-game performance is 99.99% the GPU. Hyperthreading might turn out to clash very badly with Windows 10. Who knows. No one.
Reasonably, though, it's safe to say that the i5-3570K is more than enough power for gaming, and the i7-3770k's hyperthreading provides very little benefit even in games that appreciate it. Which is like, only total war. Most games are all about the GPU, so that $100 would be a huge increase in GPU performance, but even in stuff that appreciates the i7's hyperthreading, that $100 isn't really as big a value. It can be a decent value in some multi-threaded stuff but not in games.
The whole point of building a computer is how easy it is to swap parts. What difference does it make if you have to swap it out. How can you say 'i dont like swapping them out'? If you don't like buliding computers, maybe buildling one isn't the best decision for you? Buildling computers is for fun, not just the value. Although yea I guess even if you hated doing it, maybe building it is the best value still...
but I'm just saying this outlook is a bit goofy. It's very, very easy to swap out computer components, even the motherboard. I don't know how you can say you dont like swapping them out. I mean I love swapping out computer components, I literally find excuses to pull a cable accidentally so then it reveals itself and I gotta rip open my entire build so I can push it back and hide it from view again in a spot you can't even see unless you take the side panel off and stick your head in the case.
I mean that's maybe a bit extreme but it's a computer. It's all very easy to swap and remove. No one here can tell you how well Haswell will do, and initial reports suggest it isn't going to be a huge upgrade anyways. And no one knows about pricing, which I'm pretty sure is going to be pretty beast upon release. You'd really have to wait until Black Friday for reasonable prices on Haswell, after all is said and done.
Ah. Newegg has 'good' prices on everything, and absolutely stunning specials, but not the best price on everything. Microcenter also tends to always have the best CPU and motherboard prices, as well as awesome case and SSD deals.
Here's a quick build for you:
$189 i5-3570k microcenter
$59 asus LK microcenter bundle price with cpu
$20 cheapest ddr3 desktop ram 2x2gb if you are savvy, you can find some really high quality BBSE or PSC ram 2x2gb on ebay or the overclock.net trading forum that can do 2000, 2400mhz, for $20-30. 2400mhz will definitely be a noticeable increase over some 1600mhz ram.
$85 Samsung 830 128gb ssd amazon
$17 nzxt source 210 microcenter (or the $64 nzxt phantom, if you want to spend a bit of extra money, this is an awesome place to put it, although it is just a case so i dont know if you care about whether your case is just a black box or not and if you'd rather just put the money towards performance)
$39 antec neo eco amazon or newegg
$39 Zalman LQ320 newegg, this is the best deal on a heatsink in a long time, it should outperform the h100i when both have 2 similar fans.
for gpu depends on your needs. Are you upgrading or buildng a new computer?
Why are you doing this anyways? The 8150 was a huge dissapointment but I mean it should be more than powerful enough for current gaming needs. I really don't see anything that the 8150 would be weak at. It might be a dissapointment and way worse than intel but it's still a very, very strong chip. Like others said maybe you should just wait till haswell. Not because haswell will be awesome but because your current CPU is already good enough. Your current build in general is quite strong, really.
