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Late last year, we looked at the most powerful model in a new line from Antec in the HCP-1200. That unit turned out to be one of the best units we've ever seen at the site. But it's not the only model in the series - there are also 850W and 750W little brothers to that monster. I'm going to be looking at one of those today - the HCP-850. Will it measure up to the standards set by the 1200W monster? It's high time we found out.

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Heatsinking the +12V parts to the case? Clever. Though I wonder how it would fare in a 24 hour torture test.
 

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Heatsinking the +12V parts to the case? Clever. Though I wonder how it would fare in a 24 hour torture test.

Probably just fine. Heatsink connected to case, case having air moving inside of it; acts as a big heatsink for the whole thing.
 

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Interesting! I'm a tiny little bit disappointed as it looked like a good contender for best 850W unit on the market, but it looks like an awesome unit nonetheless. Still no sign of any of the new HCG/HCP units on Newegg, except the HCP-1200, sadly
 

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Interesting! I'm a tiny little bit disappointed as it looked like a good contender for best 850W unit on the market, but it looks like an awesome unit nonetheless. Still no sign of any of the new HCG/HCP units on Newegg, except the HCP-1200, sadly


Well I think the KitGuru review of the HCP-850 was early and we'll see reviews of this unit show up in due time a long with units on the retail shelves.

Lack of HCG units may be to keep the market still and sell old TruePower New units (which up to the 750w category are better.)
 

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tbh i expected it to be much better
 

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Lack of HCG units may be to keep the market still and sell old TruePower New units (which up to the 750w category are better.)

Does that mean that Antec is scrapping the TruePower New line-up? That would suck...
 

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Does that mean that Antec is scrapping the TruePower New line-up? That would suck...

Last I heard, that is the case.
Though it doesn't matter a whole lot; the HCG-520/620 are about the same as the TruePower New 550/650 minus the few modular cables.

HCG-750 is weaker than the TP-750; but not by much. It's still a good unit.

I mean to put it in basic terms, a TP-750 is a 9.5/10 in terms of performance. A HCG-750 is 9/10 in terms of performance.

Not a major difference.
 

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I'm still waiting for Antec to ship this to me to test but they are slow.
 

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Last I heard, that is the case.
Though it doesn't matter a whole lot; the HCG-520/620 are about the same as the TruePower New 550/650 minus the few modular cables.

HCG-750 is weaker than the TP-750; but not by much. It's still a good unit.

I mean to put it in basic terms, a TP-750 is a 9.5/10 in terms of performance. A HCG-750 is 9/10 in terms of performance.

Not a major difference.

It makes sense to scrap one since they're basically competing with each other, but I wish they'd done something like renaming the TP-550/650/750 rather than replacing them with slightly inferior products. You're right, it's not a huge deal, but it is a bit disappointing when a great product like the TruePower New series vanishes for no good reason. I guess it's more expensive to produce than the HCG series.
 

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It makes sense to scrap one since they're basically competing with each other, but I wish they'd done something like renaming the TP-550/650/750 rather than replacing them with slightly inferior products. You're right, it's not a huge deal, but it is a bit disappointing when a great product like the TruePower New series vanishes for no good reason. I guess it's more expensive to produce than the HCG series.

I can't give hard numbers, but just based purely on topology & design; it most likely is more expensive to produce.

TruePower New cannot be cheap to produce for a few basic reasons as well;
1.) Modular = royalty costs from patent + extra parts & manufacturing required
2.) Custom design (though it is a hybrid of two Seasonic platforms, its PCB and such are different enough that it would require it's own assembly line.)
3.) component quality.

On the third category I'm not saying HCG is inferior in that regard, just that the TPN components are HIGHLY over-spec'd.

HGG-400/520/620 are all based on the S12II Bronze Platform. Which; besides the casing is the same as existing Antec units (NeoECO C models) and and current units for sale from Seasonic. Thus easy to make.

The only thing that doesn't make a lot of sense is that the HCG 750 & 900w units are based on the same design; but from Delta which may make them equal to, or a bit higher price to produce then the TruePower New 750w.

Though, like I said I can't give hard numbers; though there are some easy ways to ascertain cost of production.
 

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I can't give hard numbers, but just based purely on topology & design; it most likely is more expensive to produce.

TruePower New cannot be cheap to produce for a few basic reasons as well;
1.) Modular = royalty costs from patent + extra parts & manufacturing required
2.) Custom design (though it is a hybrid of two Seasonic platforms, its PCB and such are different enough that it would require it's own assembly line.)
3.) component quality.
However as I pointed out in my review they still do a whole lot to keep the design cheap to manufacture while still being high quality, with a high component density, and many parts are ones that SeaSonic will already have in great numbers, such as the VRM daughterboard.
 

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However as I pointed out in my review they still do a whole lot to keep the design cheap to manufacture while still being high quality, with a high component density, and many parts are ones that SeaSonic will already have in great numbers, such as the VRM daughterboard.
Yeah, but it still undoubtedly costs more to make than the a stock unit that's already in production.
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<3 Thanks Tator Tot for the link.
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