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[Kotaku] What Guitar Hero and Rock Band Can Teach Us

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Contrary to your assumptions, Guitar Hero and Rock Band are not sneered at by all serious musicians.

By themselves they may not teach you how to be a part of a bona fide rock band, but two instructors whose job it is to do so say the games have some qualities that make them a worthy adjunct to a true musical experience.

"I know there are some haters out there," said Aldo Noboa, a guitarist of 30 years and co-founder of the Paul Green School of Rock Music. "But I'm always looking for ways to inspire people to experience music. And that's not a guitar, of course, but it's very, very interesting how they set it up. I definitely see some constructive aspects."



The benefits are not directly connected to making music, an experience both games only replicate at best (although Guitar Hero: World Tour's music studio mode goes a little further with musical experimentation.) But in nuturing an appreciation for music, or breaking down performance anxiety, or just letting someone get comfortable posturing with a prop guitar, rhythm games have a legitimate place, they say.

Big Kids
Studies and claims have tied the popularity of Guitar Hero and Rock Band to actual music performance for some time. A British study says the games' popularity have inspired children there to experiment with music. There are unverifiable claims Guitar Hero is responsible for a surge in sales of real guitars. And anecdotally, most know of someone who's bought a real instrument after falling in love with the game, or, at least, has thought about it.

This hasn't translated to a legion of ADD youngsters begging for music lessons and half-serious about doing the work. Not for Noboa, anyway, whose School of Rock Music is "a bit more over the top" than typical guitar lessons. Students, typically younger ones, not only learn their instrument, but learn to perform with it in the context of a rock and roll band. But few, if any, are showing up because Guitar Hero convinced them they could do it, he says.

However, "I do have several adult students with kids in the program," Noboa said from his San Francisco office. "They play these games too, and I can say the adult students who have arrived to us, at the very least, are inspired by these games and the experiences they have with them."

On the other end of the spectrum, Power Chord Academy, which likewise teaches a music-and-performance curriculum at locations nationwide will be teaching a specific rhythm game skills camp over the summer. Part of the reason for the course, Power Chord's Dave Wood said, was to capitalize on Guitar Hero's strength as a search category, and try to offer something that would steer kids Googling that over his way. But he doesn't trivialize what the game - especially World Tour - has to offer.

Actual skills
"Tone recognition, that would be the main thing," that these games build, Wood said. Playing a familiar song, one builds a basic understanding of what key is supposed to be played next. Going further, "in [World Tour's] recording platform, you can program the notes, people can say, I want these notes to work with, and it gives a good deal of autonomy and understanding to what the person is doing."



Other actual music skills? Rhythm, obviously, and not just with the drums."You're not deciding on the pitch because you're being told what button to hit, so it is all about the rhythm," said Wood, who surmises some means of selecting pitch would be among the next developments in this genre's evolution.

And then just conquering stage fright and building stage confidence. "We attract singers who have gotten their feet wet with this and are wanting to try it out for real," Wood said. By the same token, playing with a virtual band where the music won't come to a screeching halt, no matter how poorly one plays. "You have a level of confidence with the song you're playing, knowing that the bass, drums, everything is going to stick along with the same rhythm more or less," Wood said. "You don't have to worry about the drummer literally losing the beat, because even if he does, there's still something there."

Noboa, although he speaks admiringly of what the games have accomplished, takes a little more circumspect view. "There are no fundamentals already in place from [playing] these games," he says, "other than inspiring greater general interest and curiosity." However, "these in turn do not seem to establish any pre-sets that would require retraining from old habits, etc."

But rather than brood on a "101 Dalmatians" syndrome - the fad everyone wants, but no one wants to commit to, seriously - Noboa sees it in more positively. "Say it does inspire them to go to a music store and take a look at guitars and think, hey, maybe I want to do take this a step further."
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I play real guitar, and because of that this game is very very hard for me to play. Even the drums are too hard for me, I just can't adjust to the numb beat it has going on.
I've been playing bass and guitar for 11 years now and I find that my experience with rhythm directly translates to the game. I don't think I would have been able to pick it up half as quick had I not been exposed to rhythm training first.
I play bass but I suck so hard at these games. It's actually kind of embarrassing.

Good article though. I think it makes sense.

Off topic: Why are the basses in those games so freaking huge? It looks stupid.
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I play bass but I suck so hard at these games. It's actually kind of embarrassing.

Good article though. I think it makes sense.

Off topic: Why are the basses in those games so freaking huge? It looks stupid.

I think the characters that play the basses are small lol.
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I play real guitar, and because of that this game is very very hard for me to play. Even the drums are too hard for me, I just can't adjust to the numb beat it has going on.
Same for me to, the flipper thing melts my head. Trying to play Slayer Angel Of Death on easy when you can play it in real life is not a good idea.
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Comparing this plastic, home console toy to a real guitar is a joke. There are no similarities even in the slightest, sorry. So, to those who have "skills" at playing Guitar Hero: don't make the mistake of thinking it "qualifies" you to play real guitar, because it doesn't. Were you to pick up a real guitar, you'd be out of your league, on a hilariously epic scale. I play a BC Rich Warlock and Beast; I've also played Rock Band -- at no point did I stop and notice a "comparison" lol.
I can only seem to play it with my left hand and I'm right handed. Playing this game has really improved dexterity of my left hand. It's not teaching me how to play a guitar really but it is sending me in the right direction if I ever wanted to.
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Comparing this plastic, home console toy to a real guitar is a joke. There are no similarities even in the slightest, sorry. So, to those who have "skills" at playing Guitar Hero: don't make the mistake of thinking it "qualifies" you to play real guitar, because it doesn't.
They're not saying it makes you "qualified" it's simply saying:

A) Video games are not bad
B) Simulations can be good
C) It has inspired some to pick it up
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They're not saying it makes you "qualified" it's simply saying:

A) Video games are not bad
B) Simulations can be good
C) It has inspired some to pick it up

Yes, but I see alot of kids under a false assumption that there's a "comparison." ...More or less who I'm reffering to.
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i think that drums would help a bit with the real thing but guitar doesnt help remotely lol
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Comparing this plastic, home console toy to a real guitar is a joke. There are no similarities even in the slightest, sorry. So, to those who have "skills" at playing Guitar Hero: don't make the mistake of thinking it "qualifies" you to play real guitar, because it doesn't. Were you to pick up a real guitar, you'd be out of your league, on a hilariously epic scale. I play a BC Rich Warlock and Beast; I've also played Rock Band -- at no point did I stop and notice a "comparison" lol.

You are being terribly harsh for no reason, and I think you are exaggerating quite a bit. I have been playing bass and guitar for over 11 years now and there is a direct correlation between the rhythm in this game and the beginning steps of learning guitar. Of course by no means can someone be an expert at guitar hero and just pick up a guitar and start playing, but the game covers the first thing ANY guitar player should have learned to master, and that is rhythm. Your comment just makes it obvious you are not a very good guitar player considering you overlooked the most important aspect of playing guitar.
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Comparing this plastic, home console toy to a real guitar is a joke. There are no similarities even in the slightest, sorry. So, to those who have "skills" at playing Guitar Hero: don't make the mistake of thinking it "qualifies" you to play real guitar, because it doesn't. Were you to pick up a real guitar, you'd be out of your league, on a hilariously epic scale. I play a BC Rich Warlock and Beast; I've also played Rock Band -- at no point did I stop and notice a "comparison" lol.

Hey Mister High and Mighty, god of god guitar players. There are other instruments. Like err...Drums? And if you even try to say the game does not have a correlation to the real thing you would be the stupidest person to have an opinion on the game. The only thing that this game teaches you is rhythm in the guitar pieces. Nothing about actual notes, but rhythm. With drums, it teaches you bodily independence, which is, if you don't know, a strong basic of drumming. So please, don't try to play this game down just cause you know how to play guitar. Hell, to say you can play guitar, you probably can't even do as good as the good guitar GH/RB players.
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You are being terribly harsh for no reason, and I think you are exaggerating quite a bit. I have been playing bass and guitar for over 11 years now and there is a direct correlation between the rhythm in this game and the beginning steps of learning guitar. Of course by no means can someone be an expert at guitar hero and just pick up a guitar and start playing, but the game covers the first thing ANY guitar player should have learned to master, and that is rhythm. Your comment just makes it obvious you are not a very good guitar player considering you overlooked the most important aspect of playing guitar.
It's called brutal honesty, deal with it.

Speak for yourself. And considering that there's different styles to playing guitar, your comment about "rhythm" being the 'sole' important' aspect of playing guitar is laughable and amateurish. I do alot of fast soloing myself.
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It's called brutal honesty, deal with it.

Speak for yourself. And considering that there's different styles to playing guitar, your comment about "rhythm" being the 'sole' important' aspect of playing guitar is laughable and amateurish. I do alot of fast soloing myself.

LOL. This basically proved that you aren't an educated player. EVERY, and I repeat, EVERY style of music relies heavily on rhythm as one of, if not THE most important aspect of it's structure. Especially "fast soloing" as you put it. You CANNOT properly play guitar in any style (unless it is some bs you made up) unless you understand the basics of rhythm.
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Rythm is very important in guitar playing for sure. Yes I am pathetic at GH and very decent at real guitar, so I don't really see a strong connection.
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LOL. This basically proved that you aren't an educated player. EVERY, and I repeat, EVERY style of music relies heavily on rhythm as one of, if not THE most important aspect of it's structure. Especially "fast soloing" as you put it. You CANNOT properly play guitar in any style (unless it is some bs you made up) unless you understand the basics of rhythm.

Your opinions are becoming more redundant. I'm not ACTUALLY following a coordinated pattern or "hand-manual" when it comes to guitar soloing, unlike your Guitar-Hero-inspired form of playing. Guitar soloing can be as un-rhythmic in a song as possible. Listen to Kerry King's soloing on the entire Reign in Blood album, for instance., or Deicide's 'Legion'.
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im another guitar player, been playing for 10 years. and i cant play on anything above medium with guitar hero. everyone expects me to own at it but i dunno. keeping time is easier if you can play real music. but other than that this game is just as hard for everyone.
i can never play guitar on these games, every time a song i know IRL comes on, i reflexively start playing it like a real guitar
actually, reading through some previous posts, slothfish has a very valid point about rhythm.

we all know that you'd be an idiot if you thought you could play real guitar after playing guitar hero, they are nothing alike. what is alike, however, and the poibnt slothfish is making, is that the sense of rhythm, time keeping and even general timing with your strokes and notations is there in essence.

no its nothing like playing a real guitar in the sense of making music, but there are similarities.

im not arrogant but after 10 years, i feel comfortable in saying i really know what im doing with my electric guitar. i mostly play and write metal music of all kinds. i can honestly admit, after playing guitar hero for a few hours or so, if i grab a real guitar and start jamming, my sense of time keeping and general rhythm in my playing seems more exact and improved, like i "get it" more.

that, and guitar hero helps strengthen the pinky finger quite a bit.
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