[xunedeinx]

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/12331/
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AMD's "Zambezi" FX processor family may have been a let down due to all the hype that "Bulldozer" had, but AMD fans may have hope. AMD's upcoming "Piledriver" architecture, codenamed "Vishera" for the desktop segment, is said to support 10 CPU cores in 5 modules and much better performance.

 

[noak]

It must be said, MOAR CORZ

 

[Seronx]

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Originally Posted by noak

It must be said, MOAR CORZ

Or as other people have said MOAR THREADZ

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1838/1/

In other news

The AMD Reality Check Results:

System C (Intel Core i7-2700K): 40 Votes
System D (AMD FX-8150): 73 Votes
No Difference: 28 Votes

FX-8150 won

 

[gelatin_factory]

I'll believe it when I OC it

 

[trumpet-205]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seronx

Or as other people have said MOAR THREADZ
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1838/1/
In other news
The AMD Reality Check Results:
System C (Intel Core i7-2700K): 40 Votes
System D (AMD FX-8150): 73 Votes
No Difference: 28 Votes
FX-8150 won

With AMD sponsoring the test.

 

[AMD4ME]

This information has been known for awhile. It was taken from the AMD slide presentation to their OEMs.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20120116163742_AMD_Describes_Piledriver_Architecture_Peculiarities_to_Software_Developers.html

 

[Seronx]

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Originally Posted by trumpet-205

With AMD sponsoring the test.

It was a blind test....

But, I guess some people can't read
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Originally Posted by AMD4ME

This information has been known for awhile. It was taken from the AMD slide presentation to their OEMs.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20120116163742_AMD_Describes_Piledriver_Architecture_Peculiarities_to_Software_Developers.html

I know I even talked about it in my Piledriver thread in AMD CPUs and my FD-SOI thread in Rumours

 

[TFL Replica]

Double the cores every 2 years. They have no choice.

 

[trumpet-205]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seronx

It was a blind test....

But, I guess some people can't read

Yes, it was a blind test, but systems were prepared by AMD. How exactly is it a fair test?

 

[Usario]

I've seen that chart around before. Also the rumor community has been talking about 10 cores since before Zambezi came out.

The just as if not more important news here though is the 64kB L1 cache per module, new instructions, and quad-channel memory. Considerably higher IPC and AMD finally having a chance at catching up to Intel (mainstream chipsets at least) in memory bandwidth? Probably more important than 25% more cores that most people probably won't benefit much from until software finally catches up.
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Originally Posted by Seronx

Or as other people have said MOAR THREADZ
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1838/1/
In other news
The AMD Reality Check Results:
System C (Intel Core i7-2700K): 40 Votes
System D (AMD FX-8150): 73 Votes
No Difference: 28 Votes
FX-8150 won

I'm surprised. Either the test and/or the results are illegitimate or... umm... nice job. But we all know that if there were two or three 7970s, the results would probably be much different.

 

[Seronx]

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Originally Posted by trumpet-205

Yes, it was a blind test, but systems were prepared by AMD. How exactly is it a fair test?

They had the same specs except the motherboard and CPU how exactly is that rigged?
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Originally Posted by TFL Replica

Double the cores every 2 years. They have no choice.

They aren't doubling the cores...every two years

Bulldozer is 8 cores,
Piledriver is 10 cores,(Early Piledriver is 4 cores)
Steamroller is 10 cores
Excavator will most likely be 12 cores but might still be 10 cores(2009 -> 2014 isn't 2 years)
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Originally Posted by Usario

I'm surprised. Either the test and/or the results are illegitimate or... umm... nice job. But we all know that if there were two or three 7970s, the results would probably be much different.

So, you are saying Bulldozer is faster with single GPUs?

 

[trumpet-205]

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Originally Posted by Seronx

They had the same specs except the motherboard and CPU how exactly is that rigged?

What about software wise? This test will be more believable if it is sponsored by a third-party group where Intel and AMD are not involved.

From statistical standpoint this is a biased test (Sorry).

 

[Chrono Detector]

I really hope that Piledriver will be a huge improvement because Bulldozer is a massive disappointment.

 

[Seronx]

Quote:

Originally Posted by trumpet-205

What about software wise? This test will be more believable if it is sponsored by a third-party group where Intel and AMD are not involved.

They were video games...rofl
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Originally Posted by trumpet-205

From statistical standpoint this is a biased test (Sorry).

Really now...even when you add the unchanged to the i7 2700K, the FX8150 still wins

System C (Intel Core i7-2700K): 40 Votes, 40+28 = 68
System D (AMD FX-8150): 73 Votes
No Difference: 28 Votes

 

[BeerPowered]

Will Piledriver be faster than BD. Absolutely. However will it be faster or equal to Sandy/Ivy. I highly doubt it. AMD has struggled behind Intel ever since Core2Due arrived and It will take a miracle for AMD to become #1 again. Until they nail Core efficiency they will never beat Intel. I don't care if they release a 10 Core Processor it still won't be faster because Intel will just get even more efficient.

I mean look at the i3 2100 vs a Phenom II 965 BE. The i3 slightly edges out the 965BE, but one is a dual core(i3) and one is a quad core(965BE). Just imagine How good Haswell will be.

 

[trumpet-205]

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Originally Posted by Seronx

They were video games...rofl
Really now...even when you add the unchanged to the i7 2700K, the FX8150 still wins
System C (Intel Core i7-2700K): 40 Votes, 40+28 = 68
System D (AMD FX-8150): 73 Votes
No Difference: 28 Votes

As a statistician, I do a lot of statistical analysis. So I have to point out when a test is flawed (or biased). Because the test is sponsored by AMD, it leaves uncertainty in the test.

Take it this way, if Intel conducted a blind test with a sample size of 200 people and concluded that 2700K blew FX-8150 out of water, would it be believable in any way?

 

[gelatin_factory]

But seriously, for the results to be considered significant AMD should have been blinded to which setup was which (more difficult to do but not impossible by any means.) Otherwise the experiment is subject to bias, unintentional or not.

 

[pursuinginsanity]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seronx

They were video games...rofl
Really now...even when you add the unchanged to the i7 2700K, the FX8150 still wins
System C (Intel Core i7-2700K): 40 Votes, 40+28 = 68
System D (AMD FX-8150): 73 Votes
No Difference: 28 Votes

Stop ignoring the fact it was an AMD sponsored test. If Intel released something like this, YOU would be saying the exact same thing.

OT: So.. we finally got 5 core BDs? Yay, they're catching up. (And don't send me messages about how they're really (8-10) cores, look at AMD's patent. Module means core. Find it. Examine it. Learn it.)

 

[jrbroad77]

Spoiler alert: the 20% performance gain in Vishera is due to 25% more cores. You guys can do the math

 

[Seronx]

Quote:

Originally Posted by gelatin_factory

But seriously, for the results to be considered significant AMD should have been blinded to which setup was which (more difficult to do but not impossible by any means.) Otherwise the experiment is subject to bias, unintentional or not.

They did it was a blind test...they didn't know till the end read it but I wasn't there just reading the article but since the Legit Review guys were there I have to take their word on what happened
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Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity

Stop ignoring the fact it was an AMD sponsored test. If Intel released something like this, YOU would be saying the exact same thing.

I have not seen one news article where AMD has beaten Intel's legs

Intel doesn't let their Compiler to optimize AMD CPUs and doesn't adopt AMD instructions unless it is for survival
AMD does optimize their Compiler to optimize Intel CPUs and does adopt Intel instructions regardless of survival

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Originally Posted by jrbroad77

Spoiler alert: the 20% performance gain in Vishera is due to 25% more cores. You guys can do the math

The performance gain from a single core is about 2x depending on what the benchmark tests for