if you use a high end rad like the Black Ice GTX or the Magicool Elegant 360 (link in sig for performance test including both rads) you can cool all that with just a single 360 rad, which you can mount inside the HAF. the magicool has an integrated reservoir, so no need to worry about getting a seperate one. pump... Laing DDC with aftermarket top or laing D5 known as the swiftech MCP355 and 655 respectively, the 355 performs slightly better but the temp difference will go pretty much unnoticed, as its in the tenths of a degree in most cases. CPU block.. the Heatkiller 3.0 blocks are the current best blocks in the world... if you can find those get one.. otherwise the Swiftech GTZ will do great too... for the GPU's id recommend the Heatkiller 295 block, again, if you can find it, otherwise id go for the koolance one. (its all copper, plated with nickel, so dont worry about it being koolance, it performs well too)
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The GPUs come prefitted with custom DangerDen waterblocks so no need to worry about those.
As for using a single high end rad res combo, will that offer better performance than a dual rad config? I'm willing to let the second red hang off the back if it means better cooling. The reason I (and a few others on an earlier thread) decided on a dual rad config was to allow for cooling of the liquid between the very hot OCd i7 and the very hot dual 295's. I'm sure a single good rad could cool the liquid... but would it not be too hot by the time it reached the second gtx295 to offer much cooling?
Originally Posted by ChielScape  if you use a high end rad like the Black Ice GTX or the Magicool Elegant 360 (link in sig for performance test including both rads) you can cool all that with just a single 360 rad, which you can mount inside the HAF. the magicool has an integrated reservoir, so no need to worry about getting a seperate one. pump... Laing DDC with aftermarket top or laing D5 known as the swiftech MCP355 and 655 respectively, the 355 performs slightly better but the temp difference will go pretty much unnoticed, as its in the tenths of a degree in most cases. CPU block.. the Heatkiller 3.0 blocks are the current best blocks in the world... if you can find those get one.. otherwise the Swiftech GTZ will do great too... for the GPU's id recommend the Heatkiller 295 block, again, if you can find it, otherwise id go for the koolance one. (its all copper, plated with nickel, so dont worry about it being koolance, it performs well too) |
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The GPUs come prefitted with custom DangerDen waterblocks so no need to worry about those.
As for using a single high end rad res combo, will that offer better performance than a dual rad config? I'm willing to let the second red hang off the back if it means better cooling. The reason I (and a few others on an earlier thread) decided on a dual rad config was to allow for cooling of the liquid between the very hot OCd i7 and the very hot dual 295's. I'm sure a single good rad could cool the liquid... but would it not be too hot by the time it reached the second gtx295 to offer much cooling?
if you're gonna do 2 rads, i'd put the triple rad on top, that spot is designed for a triple rad anyway. if you do the second 120 or 240 rad you can get away with some slower fans, 60 CFM or so, but it would add to the cost.
but the great thing about the HAF is that it can fit nice watercooling all internally, so i would try to make use of that if i were you. just looks better you know
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but the great thing about the HAF is that it can fit nice watercooling all internally, so i would try to make use of that if i were you. just looks better you know
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I thought the top of the HAF was designed for a double rad and a res (hence the rubber mat and full length drive rack?) If I put a triple up top wouldn't the front-most fan's airflow be blocked by the rubber thing? Either way I'm fairly sure I want a second rad to cool between the cpu and dual (technically quad) gpus so I might as well not block those top two-3 drive bays when i can just put the triple where the single/double would have been. I do agree it would look better all internal though. Well I'll have to think about my positioning.
As for the components themselves, does the Black Ice cool better than the Magiccool? If not why is the magiccool so much cheaper despite offering an integrated res? 0_o
Also, will all of the components you listed allow for unrestricted 1/2 ID flow or would one of them restrict the flow and make 1/2 ID tubing pointless?
Originally Posted by ChielScape if you're gonna do 2 rads, i'd put the triple rad on top, that spot is designed for a triple rad anyway. if you do the second 120 or 240 rad you can get away with some slower fans, 60 CFM or so, but it would add to the cost. but the great thing about the HAF is that it can fit nice watercooling all internally, so i would try to make use of that if i were you. just looks better you know
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As for the components themselves, does the Black Ice cool better than the Magiccool? If not why is the magiccool so much cheaper despite offering an integrated res? 0_o
Also, will all of the components you listed allow for unrestricted 1/2 ID flow or would one of them restrict the flow and make 1/2 ID tubing pointless?
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Ah that makes sense. Over all, and even if its not by much, which one would you say cools better? and since both are awesome, a more important question would be which one allows for better flow? also I cant tell since the Magiccool is very poorly documented but is it thicker than the black ice?
Originally Posted by ChielScape hmm, guess it was in the bottom then that it should fit a 360... that means you got to mount the PSU up to instead. guess i got confused with the ACTS840 where it DOES go in top... it should fit a 360 though. anyway, about the magicool, it cheaper because it uses only one row of tubes, the GTX uses two. the magicool still performs awesomely because instead of painted, its copper-plated, even on the inside. (the tubes of rads are always made of brass because copper is too soft) |
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hmm... So I take it the GTX is likely ever so slightly better for cooling alone, with the magiccool being a better value and including a res while also being easier to fit internally. How good of a res is on those magiccools or does it even make a difference? also would the magic cool have to be mounted high since it includes a res? (I intend to anyway but just for curiosity's sake)
As for the compressions I agree it's not worth risking it as it looks like it would be a very tight fit. I'll just use barbs on the cpu waterblock.
Would you suggest any particular 1/2 ID barbs in terms of leak resistance, water flow, or anything like that or are they all really the same? I'd be willing to go with the better stuff even if its only slightly better... assuming its not astronomically priced.
oh.. and are those plastic clip type clamps any good? They look pretty nice and are cheap but I don't know if they're as secure.
Originally Posted by ChielScape the GTX is almost twice as thick.. they should both flow well, the GTX probably a little bit better... if you use fans over 70 CFM use the GTX... if you use slower fans get the magicool. i dont think those huge compressions will fit, but 3/8" compressions should. if you want 1/2" tubing i recommend barbs instead.. i just woulndt take the chance as 1/2" compressions are fairly expensive.. |
As for the compressions I agree it's not worth risking it as it looks like it would be a very tight fit. I'll just use barbs on the cpu waterblock.
Would you suggest any particular 1/2 ID barbs in terms of leak resistance, water flow, or anything like that or are they all really the same? I'd be willing to go with the better stuff even if its only slightly better... assuming its not astronomically priced.
oh.. and are those plastic clip type clamps any good? They look pretty nice and are cheap but I don't know if they're as secure.
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EDIT, i forgot you wanted 1/2" tubing, edited accordingly
Originally Posted by Zero4549 So far: Rad 1 - Black Ice® GTX Gen Two Xtreme 360 -or- Magicool Elegant 360mm Copper Radiator with Integrated Polycarbonate Reservoir Rad 2 (optional) - Black Ice® GTX Gen Two Xtreme 240 -or- Magicool Elegant 240mm Copper Radiator with Integrated Polycarbonate Reservoir Pump - Laing DDC3.2(aka Swiftech MCP355) with XSPC restop in case of the GTX, or with normal XSPC or EK top in case of the magicool with integrated res. Alternatively, the Laing D5 (Swiftech MCP655) with seperate res in case of the GTX Res - see above, in case of the 655 and GTX: get the Swiftech MC-Res rev2. CPU Waterblock - Heatkiller 3.0 Cu GPU Waterblocks - Stock Danger Den custom waterblocks Tubing - Clearflex, Durelene or Masterkleer 1/2" ID, 3/4" OD Barbs - Bitspower "Fat Boy" 1/2" barbs Clamps - "worm-drive" automotive (metal) clamps Compressions - Bitspower 1/2" ID, 3/4" OD Compression fittings. Liquid - Feser One Acid Green UV Shrouds (optional) - ? (most likely gutted fans) <- usually the best idea. External mount (optional) - Swiftech Steel MCB-120 "RadBox" Rev.1 |
EDIT, i forgot you wanted 1/2" tubing, edited accordingly
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Indeed it does, as always =D
Originally Posted by ChielScape hope this helps
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The GTX is better than the magicool when you use high CFM fans, it has a very high fin-per-inch count, which causes that. the Magicool works better below 1500 RPM fans or so. it also has better value, as you say.
about the mounting... it only matters when you fill it... as soon as its filled, you can put the cap on and then mount the rad everywhere you want. (which means that while you should assemble it inside the case, but dont mount the rad into the case immediately. instead, just hold it high when you fill it. as soon as its full and you put the cap on its orientation doesnt matter anymore and you can just mount it.)
OH, PS, i just found those GOLD compression fittings http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/bitrgo1cofif.html
Originally Posted by Zero4549 hmm... So I take it the GTX is likely ever so slightly better for cooling alone, with the magiccool being a better value and including a res while also being easier to fit internally. How good of a res is on those magiccools or does it even make a difference? also would the magic cool have to be mounted high since it includes a res? (I intend to anyway but just for curiosity's sake) |
about the mounting... it only matters when you fill it... as soon as its filled, you can put the cap on and then mount the rad everywhere you want. (which means that while you should assemble it inside the case, but dont mount the rad into the case immediately. instead, just hold it high when you fill it. as soon as its full and you put the cap on its orientation doesnt matter anymore and you can just mount it.)
OH, PS, i just found those GOLD compression fittings http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/bitrgo1cofif.html
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