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It wasn't a massive increase, but a 2-3c drop. I had a spare 120 mm fan and I saw the screw holes, so I did what anyone else would have done!
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If you have a second fan, go for it. If not, you're not missing out on much.
 

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I'm reading that push/pull set ups have minimal gains, what's your experience with this?
Recently just had my pull fan on my Hyper 212 EVO die on me, so I switched my exhaust fan to a more powerful fan and put it on the fan controller so it can pull more air out of the case and with that set up I am getting pretty much the same temps as the push/pull set up.
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It wasn't a massive increase, but a 2-3c drop. I had a spare 120 mm fan and I saw the screw holes, so I did what anyone else would have done!
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If you have a second fan, go for it. If not, you're not missing out on much.
Agree with this, if you have spare fan go for it, if not, don't worry about it.

It is not a bad idea to set up another exhaust fan up top on the Prodigy (behind the CPU cooler) and put a 200mm fan up front. With that set up your system will be cool for sure.
 

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Recently just had my pull fan on my Hyper 212 EVO die on me, so I switched my exhaust fan to a more powerful fan and put it on the fan controller so it can pull more air out of the case and with that set up I am getting pretty much the same temps as the push/pull set up.
Agree with this, if you have spare fan go for it, if not, don't worry about it.

It is not a bad idea to set up another exhaust fan up top on the Prodigy (behind the CPU cooler) and put a 200mm fan up front. With that set up your system will be cool for sure.
I used the two stock fans for the top of the case, and installed a 140mm in the back and a 230mm in the front
 

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I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say maybe you want a Corsair H80, yes it around 50$ more but will give you headroom for Overclocking later on, plus Haswell is pretty hot, you won't be able to go very far on air, even tho the Evo is a very good air cooler theres so much it can do.

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I used the two stock fans for the top of the case, and installed a 140mm in the back and a 230mm in the front
Nice. I really want to build a mini ITX rig in a Prodigy so I can have a small portable PC to take to friends houses for gaming sessions. Lugging my HAF 912 places is not the business.

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I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say maybe you want a Corsair H80, yes it around 50$ more but will give you headroom for Overclocking later on, plus Haswell is pretty hot, you won't be able to go very far on air, even tho the Evo is a very good air cooler theres so much it can do.
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Getting a Closed Loop Cooler isn't a bad idea because Haswell is hotter than Ivy Bridge for sure, especially when OC'ed. You could just stay stock and save up another $50 and get the Corsair H100i and be set.
 

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Nice. I really want to build a mini ITX rig in a Prodigy so I can have a small portable PC to take to friends houses for gaming sessions. Lugging my HAF 912 places is not the business.
Getting a Closed Loop Cooler isn't a bad idea because Haswell is hotter than Ivy Bridge for sure, especially when OC'ed. You could just stay stock and save up another $50 and get the Corsair H100i and be set.
Well 1 H100 is around 100$ so thats already 70$ more then the EVO, I think the OP wants to keep cost down, so I think H80 is already stretching abit. I say going with the H80 is a better option, because due to the size of the Prodigy Air colling isn't has effective, has a full blown tower.
 

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H80 and H100 have had a long history of issues.

CLC coolers are not as quiet, as cool, as dependable or as cheap as air cooling is.
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Well 1 H100 is around 100$ so thats already 70$ more then the EVO, I think the OP wants to keep cost down, so I think H80 is already stretching abit. I say going with the H80 is a better option, because due to the size of the Prodigy Air colling isn't has effective, has a full blown tower.
That is why I said stay with the stock cooling for now and save up for a CLC so that the CPU can be OC'ed further than air cooling. The H80 is not a bad idea at all, but the Prodigy can fit the H100i, but I think that you have to remove the ODD cage, not positive though. For sure the H80 can fit on the rear fan slot, so that might be better than the H100i just because of it's size. Cheers.
 

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H80 and H100 have had a long history of issues.

CLC coolers are not as quiet, as cool, as dependable or as cheap as air cooling is.
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I have never had any issues with CLC to be honest, and sry but even the Big Noctua D14 Can Only match the H100 if it has only the stock fans, a H100 with 4x good RPM fans is right now unbeatable, personally I'm keeping my 3570k 4.7Ghz at 60-70C with 4x 1000RPM fans you can barely hear it works pretty dam well, but yes its more expensive but onto by that much the Noctua D14 is only 25$ cheaper then the H100 Also the H80 performs the same that the D14 but it fits onto the Prodigy.

I personaly think that CLC are a much better option for Compact builds due to the lack of space and airflow in most cases.
 

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The H100/i will fit, you do have to remove the optical drive bracket by removing a couple screws. I used to run an i7 2600k overclocked and kept the 2 fans on the H100 at the lowest setting. Ran cool and quiet. Later moved to SP120 HP fans which were even quieter.

I stopped using the Prodigy as my main PC and moved to the 350D, but a couple days ago I rebuilt the Prodigy and used a Kraken X40 mounted in the rear. Very quiet as well.

With some careful shopping you can get CLC for very competitive prices. OEM and refurb units have been on sale for $10-$30 in the past 30days. I think its well worth the time and, if needed, extra cash to get an all in one.

Some reference pics of my builds:
 

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I have never had any issues with CLC to be honest, and sry but even the Big Noctua D14 Can Only match the H100 if it has only the stock fans, a H100 with 4x good RPM fans is right now unbeatable, personally I'm keeping my 3570k 4.7Ghz at 60-70C with 4x 1000RPM fans you can barely hear it works pretty dam well, but yes its more expensive but onto by that much the Noctua D14 is only 25$ cheaper then the H100 Also the H80 performs the same that the D14 but it fits onto the Prodigy.

I personaly think that CLC are a much better option for Compact builds due to the lack of space and airflow in most cases.
Look around the web and you can see lots of peeps talking about CLC problems.
As for unbeatable the stock Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme is 7c cooler and only 1dBA louder than H100.
Silver Arrow SB-E is only 1c warmer and less than half as loud.
Noctua NH-D14 is quieter than Silver Arrow SB-E and within a couple degrees as cool too.
Having to change fans makes the H100 even more expensive... and still have the pump to worry about.

i7 3820 @4.75GHz
Temperature is delta.
H100 . . . . . . . . 41c 2500rpm. . . . . . . . 55dBA 2
SA SB-E Extreme 34c 2500rpm. . . . . . . . 56dBA 2x TY-143
SA SB-E . . . . . . 42c 1100rpm & 1300rpm 38dBA TY-150 & TY-141
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6xrsuPwDbo
jump in to 3:40 for results

We all have our own opinions. Most of mine are based on fact.
 

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Look around the web and you can see lots of peeps talking about CLC problems.
As for unbeatable the stock Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme is 7c cooler and only 1dBA louder than H100.
Silver Arrow SB-E is only 1c warmer and less than half as loud.
Noctua NH-D14 is quieter than Silver Arrow SB-E and within a couple degrees as cool too.
Having to change fans makes the H100 even more expensive... and still have the pump to worry about.

i7 3820 @4.75GHz
Temperature is delta.
H100 . . . . . . . . 41c 2500rpm. . . . . . . . 55dBA 2
SA SB-E Extreme 34c 2500rpm. . . . . . . . 56dBA 2x TY-143
SA SB-E . . . . . . 42c 1100rpm & 1300rpm 38dBA TY-150 & TY-141
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6xrsuPwDbo
jump in to 3:40 for results

We all have our own opinions. Most of mine are based on fact.
You do realize that the test is made on a benchtable right? To properly test it you need to put it inside a case with decent airflow, plus that was a stock fans H100 and only 2 of them.

Choosing Facts to enforce your opinion is not the right way to make a point, you need to look at all the facts unbias. Anyway the subject at hand is colling a processor inside a Itx case, so this argument is pointless.
 

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You do realize that the test is made on a benchtable right? To properly test it you need to put it inside a case with decent airflow, plus that was a stock fans H100 and only 2 of them.

Choosing Facts to enforce your opinion is not the right way to make a point, you need to look at all the facts unbias. Anyway the subject at hand is colling a processor inside a Itx case, so this argument is pointless.
I do indeed realize the test was on a benchtable.. and stock is 2 fans. Bench testing is unbiased. Case testing is biased by whatever case setup it is in. Most cases are not setup with proper airflow for cooling. And unless you mount your CLC so it pulls cool air from outside case and dumps hot air into case they will run hotter than Corsair's biased recommendation of mounting cooler drawing air from outside case.

As for cooling in Prodigy case I've seen Phanteks PH-TC14PE, Noctua NH-D14 and many other coolers mounted in them. It all depends on what motherboard is used.
 

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Sigh....How many people do you know that have benchtables, and trust me thats coming from someone that has one, all the builds I'v put together tro the years have been cases, mine is the only benchtable rig I ever put together. Benchtable are preferred by Hardware Reviewers or LN2 Overclockers, its a minority, testing an Air Cooler vs and CLC on a benchtable is Bias because on on a Bench the Air Cooler doesn't have to deal with the build up heat inside the case, so off course it gets good results,

Not really gonna waste anymore time arguing this.
 

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Sigh.... Of course most of us use cases for our builds. And no, most hardware reviewers do not use test benches.
The point is that every build is unique and testing in a case is only applicable to someone building the same system. The temp in the case will be different depending on how hard the GPU &/or CPU are working in relation to case airflow / cooling. There is no common denominator for what the air temp going into cooler is.. and little relationship to what room temp is. That is why it is biased to assume an air cooler is performing at it's best in a case.

CLC because of radiator is by default able to have good separation of cool intake and hot exhaust air. Air coolers do not by default have that separation.. and reviewers do not give the air temp going into the cooler, but the room ambient... which is not the air temperature that should be used because they are not the same and there is no common ratio of what the difference will be. Let's use your house as an analogy.

If your house is 23c and lounge is 23c all is fine. But if you light the fireplace in the lounge it will be warmer than the rest of house. CPU and GPU are like a fireplace being used in lounge. The bigger the fire in fireplace the hotter the lounge will be in comparison to rest of house. A computer case temp compared to room temp is like the lounge temp compared to the rest of house. So if we don't have the air temp going into cooler we have no real base to figure how well coolers.. any coolers.. work.
 

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That above discussion was educational for me. Thanks
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