[Frost]

I am having some difficulty with my new equipment. I tried to run the first two tests for getting my maximums. The HTT would not go above 228 and boot up completly(yes i kept the multi under 1000Mhz, and memory at 100mhz). When I attempted to try the cpu speed I could not get it to boot past 200 fsb & 15 multi(1.6Vcore). The motherboard/cpu are allowing me to go to 25 multi, but for what? I cannot do 200FSb and 16multi, I cannot even do 210 fsb and 15 multi. Is there something I am missing, or I can try? Is the cpu or motherboard defective perhaps? Or could this cpu be that crappy for OC? I could of sworn i read somewhere that the 64 FX are one of the best OCer's, maybe they are bs'ing me?

 

[SHaCK]

Woh woh woh, 15 x 210 is 3150mhz mate, that's a lot!

I heard that FX cpus are known to be poor overclockers, but i might be wrong.

1.6v core also seems to be a lot, maybe the CPU is simply overheating thus not being stable. Start at a lower voltage near stock and move on from that, aim for 2.7ghz then 2.8ghz and so on, don't go for jupiter if you can't even reach the moon!

 

[Frost]

Pfft, if I cant even get to 3.2 on a 2.6 whats the point of keeping this cpu? I can take my old 1.8 to 3.0 "cough". Vcore I set to 1.6 because that was what is said to do in the guide, when testing the max cpu. Around 16/17multi I had tried without 1.6vcore, because I forgot to change it after reseting bios, but it still failed. The main thing I am looking at is the max i can do. Now I cant even take my FSB to 230mhz with normal vcore, at 3x, 4x, 2.5x htt multi, 6 OR 7 cpu multi, and 100mhz mem. Something isnt right.

 

[SHaCK]

Low clocked CPU such as your old 3000+ are the best overclockers because of that, at stock they are clocked lower. High clocked CPUs won't do as good because they are already high clocked. You get the point?

What's your cooling and what are your temps idle/load at stock?

Did you disable CPU Spread spectrum in the bios?

 

[Frost]

25C idle
spread off
cooling Zalman CNPS9500

I updated my profile with the new specs before I posted.

Edit: The testing for the HTT max, was before I even touched the Vcore. The only things that where changed was in that list. I tried CPU multi of 6&7, HTT multi from 2.5-4x, memory 100mhz. I cannot even get the FSB mhz by itself to go past 228, which does not sound right at all. I see lists of OC's with CPU's in this range and they all show fsb's of 250+.

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There is one exception however, the Athlon 64 FX line of processors come with their full multiplier range unlocked, from x4 to x24, giving great flexibility in overclocking. But, for this, and the fact they are AMD's top performing chips, expect to pay a high premium

Meh... Something isnt right......

 

[Frost]

OK I figured something out. I managed to get the fsb to 260 max and boot to windows(currently). It turns out I need my specific memory at 133mhz for this testing, I dont know why. It will not boot at this fsb or any higher fsb in 140~200mhz or below 133. The guide says 100, but It would seem my memory wont allow that when I up the fsb over 228.

Questions would be, 1, if there is something in the memory I can set/change to get over 260 fsb? 2, if this will be of any use when I go into other settings for actual OC?

This current test includes my cpu multi at 7x(vcore + seemed to make no differences), I know not yet if it will work with higher settings of the cpu multi or the ram. I pray the ram is not going to be picky at more important OC changes, as i spent 140 bucks for these dimms. Not to mention they apear to be one of the top rated.

While I continue to wait for any additional help/info, I am going to try and see what I can do with the cpu multi, with the memory over 100mhz.

 

[The Duke]

Digging up a good usable Genie settings for the RAM could be the issue. Some memory is flaky with some base speeds.
Have you tried A64 tweeker to work the memory timings?
A64tweeker
Gogars chart may throw a little light on things...
http://math.gogar.com/athlon64.cgi?htt=200&showtable=1
Or the Gogars Calculator...
http://math.gogar.com/athlon64.cgi
I'm guessing you already know this one

http://www.overclock.net/faqs/31782-...pu-memory.html

 

[Frost]

I been following the 4th one trying to find my maxes. the second one, i have all these settings basicly in my motherboards bios i just dont have alot of knowledge to go with on setting them. Third and fourth made some sense but i dont see how that is going to make the 260 fsb work with a normal cpu multi like 13x. At the moment I cant even get 230 fsb to work with a multi of 13(13 is the main for my cpu,2.6) and 133 mem. I realy think it has to do with the mem right now, but i need some better info on these settings to know what to put them to. Any idea what is good settings for my memory? Model = TWINX1024-3200C2PT

 

[Frost]

OK that changes my views. Im going for the 3.0 OC on my old venice cpu(now that i got the ram for it), all the useless, confusing, and totaly not working tests for this san diego FX ended up in killing my mobo. Thing will not power on for more then 5 seconds.

 

[SHaCK]

Are you sure about that ? If you swapped CPUs you should clear the CMOS.

 

[Frost]

changing the cmos jumper clears the cmos, how are they different in clearing the same data?

 

[The Duke]

An oddity, but do check to be sure the CMOS chip is seated flat in the socket.

 

[Frost]

Seated perfectly, the board, the cmos chip, and the cpu look fine as far as visual. The memory I know is fine because im using it in my old dfi board right now. Seems like a defective RMA replacement to me. Sure sucks I gotta pay for the damn return shipping though <.<

 

[Frost]

OK I know my memory is at some fault to my previous problems with getting my newer cpu to OC.

I just attempted to try the OC for my older a64 3000+ to bring it to 3ghz(from the dfi DR expert guide). I could not even go to 280 FSB with the memory at 200mhz. I even tried pushing the ram voltage to 3.2.

However, it booted perfectly with 280fsb when i lowered the ram to 166mhz(180 didnt cut it either).

I am wondering, does my specific memory need different settings/timings? and if so what would they be? Or Could It be those power hungry type, as in i need to enable over 3.2 voltage(on mobo) for them at that speed/OC?

 

[PROBN4LYFE]

It's probably just the memory controller on the CPU itself...what driver version are you using for the CPU? 1.3.20 is the current
Also...what chipset driver are you using for the NF4-Sli?
All these things need to be taken into account when you start to hit walls like this.
And uh...when you're playing with a DFI board...there really isn't a guide to follow to an exact...the motherboard will react how it's supposed to with the components you put in it and really it's just that simple.
The Expert/Venus series are pretty similar to the 250gb/NF3 Ultra series on the wide range of overclocking ability...depending on the BIOS you use...as with any board.

 

[Frost]

CPU driver? huh? Drivers are a windows thing? I do my OC in bios. I am using my old motherboard right now, the dfi ut nf4 ultra-d, being my sli dr seems defective.

The bios i believe is the 3/10/05 release, I should probably update it being there is a 2006 one. However, I had such problems with the SLI DR when even going to 230mhz fsb before it failed/died. Before it died I had updated to the newest bios as well.

As far as cpu driver, if you mean like a bios i have absolutly no idea what you are talking about, because i have never heard of such a thing from anywhere/anyone.

Edit: The new 2006 bios for my ultra-d board i have a question about as well. The bios list for it states "The BIOS Upgrade for SST 49LF040B LPC flash ROM Only ". What are they talking about? There is no bios version named this.

 

[PROBN4LYFE]

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Originally Posted by Frost CPU driver? huh? Drivers are a windows thing? I do my OC in bios. I am using my old motherboard right now, the dfi ut nf4 ultra-d, being my sli dr seems defective. The bios i believe is the 3/10/05 release, I should probably update it being there is a 2006 one. However, I had such problems with the SLI DR when even going to 230mhz fsb before it failed/died. Before it died I had updated to the newest bios as well. As far as cpu driver, if you mean like a bios i have absolutly no idea what you are talking about, because i have never heard of such a thing from anywhere/anyone.

You know the one on the DFI site that says don't use if you're going to overclock

?
If you have an ultra-d...then what's the problem?
And if you feel the need to take stabs homie feel free...

I just didn't think it was your board that was defective...but since you say that it died...you mean it doesn't work anymore right?
It seems as if my input is not needed...and I never said that you didn't OC in the BIOS...don't make assumptions like that...aight

?

 

[Frost]

Im not assuming, Im not stabing. I just always seem to rub off that way. Sorry to offend you dude. I have no reason for either, I am just trying to figure these things out.

I say it is dead, i couldnt be posative, I only know that i cannot seem to get it to power on more then 5 seconds.

No I dont know of any type on there site that says anything about dont use if your going to overclock. As for having a ultra-d, what do you mean whats the problem? Problem as far as having a DR expert? Just wanted that board over it.

 

[PROBN4LYFE]

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I only know that i cannot seem to get it to power on more then 5 seconds

You didn't throw too much juice on it did ya?!!!
I know when I got mine I had this 400watt PSU...it wasn't havin' that or my 480w from my 2800 rig...which I might add like strange timings and stuff to say in the least.
Did the BIOS ever give you a checksum error of any kind on reboot?

 

[Frost]

Never got any checksum errors. My PSU is 520W and i have the voltage regulators turned up a notch. I cant even recall any specific changes that were different from what I had already been doing/testing.

Edit: Though I see nothing that could make it act this way? I cant even clear cmos, if it was to much for the psu clearing cmos would fix that? I cant think of anything but failure...