Originally Posted by StarryNite
Nope, users can actually use Windows as a tool in their daily life -- not RTFM until their eyes bleed to tweak it until some other port or device conks out that needs to be "fixed" again. *nix is much like Windows 98 in many ways, including the pain of keeping everything up and running.
And with some *nix flavors that's so adamant about proprietary drivers, they actually hurt users in using their day-to-day devices. I was about to install a graphics friendly *nix built, until reading the manual about it, and the problems with proprietary drivers. Don't have time for it.
*nix is fine for those wanting to experiment and for those on a political agenda, but not day-to-day needs. People who work can't be bothered with all the steps to get something done (and a pretty GUI interface now doesn't hide the commandline -- Windows has a commandline, too).
Originally Posted by StarryNite
My tech relative used to have Ubuntu on his laptop, but all the fuss with drivers and all he just switched it to Windows 7. He works fixing computers and networks for a living, the last thing he wants to do is spend his time off tweaking the OS after a 15hr day.
*nix is terrific if you have time for it, but if you don't (which is many of us), you get Windows and get onto working on whatever you're doing.
Funny thing about *nix is especially on servers. The claims are that it's so much safer than Windows. If folks really understood how much they had to install on those *nix servers to keep them safe, they'd go with Windows from the start. The server maintenance types online who hire their services to harden servers are all using scripts for this job. And when you get your server after they got it hardened, you spend another day just tweaking their settings (as the scripts are for base defaults). And if you want to save that $50+ mon fee and do it yourself, don't be surprised that there's little documentation in setting up the parameters but the defaults. So when your webhost software acts up (WHM/cPanel especially), you're spending some critical production hours trying to find the "bug". In the end you wind up spending about the same money for upkeep than getting Windows.
umm...you are sadly mistaken. you offer little or no proof, you don't even offer first hand expeirence.
i have setup servers and home pc's with both windows and linux. i can honestly say, the linux boxes are way easier to setup and configure for day to day or server task, than windows ever is/was.
i also design websites, and i can tell you right now, if a client comes to me and already has a server and it is a windows machine, i tell them change it or find some one else to design it. windows server machines are absolutely horrible to try to find and fix problems on.
as for you claim "*nix is great if you have time, but if you don't, windows you just get onto working with" ahem, when was the last time you installed windows? just to update a vista machine to service pack 1 takes 2 hours, not to mention the time it takes to download the stupid thing, then even after that, it has another 300 updates you have to install, and it will restart you computer. i reinstalled vista on my sisters laptop on my last day off, i spent a good 8 hours, doing it. that was just M$ updates, then i had to install her antivirus scanners, spamware scanners, pop-up blockers. then i had to go in and tweak things. i mean the time i spent on her machine, i could have easily installed fedora on my machine at least 8 times, then installed all the updates and my standard programs i use without fedora restarting my computer once, the only time i really have to update my computer after and update, if it is a kernel update, and those are far and few between.
and what are you talking about driver issues with linux? how distro will penalize you for having non-free drivers, i know of no distro that does this, and this is just a blatant attempt to make linux sound like a evil OS. i use nvidia drivers from nvidia on my machine, if any thing, the developers encourage you not to use them, cause the source is not open, that is about it.
the only distro i know that does anything like you said, is arch linux, they removed the ati propeitary drivers from their main archives, cause seriously, the ati drivers suck balls, that is the only reason, and they made that move in hopes it would wake up ATI, "release the source or release better drivers if you want the 100 million odd users of linux out there to buy your products" cause i am a big linux supporter, i only buy hardware that has good drivers or good support for linux/windows/mac/whatever main stream OS out there.
i use my linux box in my day to day life, and i use to run windows all the time, finally got fed up with the constant virus scans that would take several hours, the every 3 day disk defrags that would take 18 hours cause i have 2 tb's of space, you want to talk about lost productivity time, try updating a windows server with the latest updates, then take 15 to boot back up and after it is booted back up, 20 minutes for to install the actual updates, then try to schedule down time for said server for disk defrags, you will quickly understand why server builders and maintainers use linux/unix/solaris over windows. i have a good friend who maintains servers, each minute a server is down, cost his company 200 dollars, that is a lot of money in the long run, a windows server is down at least 9 hours a week for maintainance, a linux box, maybe an hour he says, you do the math, which would you rather have?