[Frenchy]

The 3.0 has 9000 frames par seconds and the 1.1 has "only" 6000

Is there a palpable difference on good hardware ?

I prefer the 1.1 shape because it's ambidextrous and a little lighter (better for Quake Live) but Intellimouse 3.0 remains very light (more than Deathadder) and comfortable even is it for right hand

Only this is the G303 was released and has this wonderful 3366 Pixart sensor that has designed in collaboration with the logitech's engineering team.

Do you think the MLT04 is still today more accurate than the "new" pixart 3366 in G303 Apex and G502 Proteus Core ? (i hate that horrible marketing names to appeal for fans of LoL and CoD who call Kevin in general)

I think yes because MLT04 native 400 dpi stay always more accurate and raw than all interpolated sensors even Pixart 3366 !

Are you agree with that fact ?

 

[SmashTV]

No.

 

[Brightmist]

No.

 

[Frenchy]

You answer my question one or two ?

 

[julsfof]

Why do people who like the MLT04 always have to shout from the roofs how great it is?
Yes it is a great sensor at low tracking speeds and with an overclocked usp port. But that's exactly it the sensors max tracking speed is way too low for most people and the fact that usb oc in Win 8 isn't easily done only makes the sensor less attractive.

Enter 3310, 3366 both sensors feel different than the MLT04 but plenty raw with no acceleration or smoothing and critically have sufficient tracking speeds. Most CS GO pros play with one of those two which should speak for itself. Some even play with laser mice which have noticeable acceleration (fanatics JW used to play with a sensei, i don't know if still) so clearly the sensor doesn't matter at all.

3310 and 3366 feel different than MLT04 and the 3366 implementations by logitech leave much to be desired. But if you pick up a new mouse with a negative mindset you wont like it no matter what.
Also the 3310 has native 50 cpi steps up to 5000 cpi nothing interpolated and it would seriously astound me if the 3366 was any different.

The only way the MLT04 can have a renaissance if its coupled with a technology like the fusion engine that logitech uses in the g402. But that't never gonna happen cause MS.

 

[Frenchy]

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Also the 3310 has native 50 cpi steps up to 5000 cpi nothing interpolated and it would seriously astound me if the 3366 was any different.

I'm sorry I confused interpolation with setting of the dpi: the steps

However, I think an optical sensor that has only 400 dpi will always be more accurate than any optical modern sensors with dpi scales like 3366 because it will be more specialized for this value like 400 dpi

And low dpi are always more precise for human moves retranscription in cursor tracking accuracy it the same thing for cameras there is specialised compact camera who shot only at 100 iso just in blue sky with big sun condition and it blows all high end reflex Nikon at 5000$.

If we remplace ISO by DPI i think it's the same case for the MLT04 it blows the ***** of the water all modern sensor like Pixart 3366.

Sorry for my english and lack of knowledge in electronic and mice hardware i'm not engineer just a very passionate gamer by esport and tech !

 

[detto87]

Don't throw 3310 into the mix when we talk about raw tracking. Take a look at the Finalmouse2015 thread on OCN.

 

[Frenchy]

Up want know the truth !

 

[julsfof]

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Originally Posted by detto87

Don't throw 3310 into the mix when we talk about raw tracking. Take a look at the Finalmouse2015 thread on OCN.

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Originally Posted by Frenchy

However, I think an optical sensor that has only 400 dpi will always be more accurate than any optical modern sensors with dpi scales like 3366 because it will be more specialized for this value like 400 dpi

There is just no data that supports that. 3310 and 3366 sensors perform at least as good as a MLT04 in every test i have seen.

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Originally Posted by Frenchy

And low dpi are always more precise for human moves retranscription in cursor tracking accuracy it the same thing for cameras there is specialised compact camera who shot only at 100 iso just in blue sky with big sun condition and it blows all high end reflex Nikon at 5000$.

low cpi is not inherently more accurate. Modern sensors perform on average exactly the same at 400 to say 4000 the only difference is that jitter might increase.

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Originally Posted by Frenchy

If we remplace ISO by DPI i think it's the same case for the MLT04 it blows the ***** of the water all modern sensor like Pixart 3366.

The MLT04 might feel better to you because you are used to it but have you any data to back you up?

Edit: The implementation of the sensor is hugely important for its feel and performance.

 

[Maximillion]

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Originally Posted by Frenchy

I think yes because MLT04 native 400 dpi stay always more accurate and raw than all interpolated sensors even Pixart 3366 !

 

[vanir1337]

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Originally Posted by Maximillion

this

 

[Pa12a]

Going to be brutally honest and there's definitely going to be a hunt on me by some people to get me crucified, but I had a better time in CS with a Zowie FK on 470 CPI which is interpolated in comparison to my 1.1A and my WMO. Used all on the same system.

 

[Melan]

*gasp* Heretic!

But really, as long as it feels right for YOU, it's all cool.

Putting your "feels" to compare how sensor work won't do. A2020 is better than MLT04 because I felt like it's crispier and more accurate. Go ahead, prove me wrong.

 

[Pa12a]

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Originally Posted by Melan

*gasp* Heretic!

But really, as long as it feels right for YOU, it's all cool.

Putting your "feels" to compare how sensor work won't do. A2020 is better than MLT04 because I felt like it's crispier and more accurate. Go ahead, prove me wrong.

Well that's the point where I always find it strange that some people talk to me about them having to look what sensor/mouse feels best, while they always babble on about "on paper"-stuff.

I was always fine with how I gripped my Deathadder and on paper it should have the better sensor between it and the FK (3090), but it didn't feel as good even after getting used to it. Back to the FK, where the grip is just as fine, the sensor SHOULD be worse (especially at the interpolated setting), but it does do a better job.

 

[wmoftw]

Quote:

Originally Posted by julsfof

Why do people who like the MLT04 always have to shout from the roofs how great it is?
Yes it is a great sensor at low tracking speeds and with an overclocked usp port. But that's exactly it the sensors max tracking speed is way too low for most people and the fact that usb oc in Win 8 isn't easily done only makes the sensor less attractive.

Enter 3310, 3366 both sensors feel different than the MLT04 but plenty raw with no acceleration or smoothing and critically have sufficient tracking speeds. Most CS GO pros play with one of those two which should speak for itself. Some even play with laser mice which have noticeable acceleration (fanatics JW used to play with a sensei, i don't know if still) so clearly the sensor doesn't matter at all.

3310 and 3366 feel different than MLT04 and the 3366 implementations by logitech leave much to be desired. But if you pick up a new mouse with a negative mindset you wont like it no matter what.
Also the 3310 has native 50 cpi steps up to 5000 cpi nothing interpolated and it would seriously astound me if the 3366 was any different.

The only way the MLT04 can have a renaissance if its coupled with a technology like the fusion engine that logitech uses in the g402. But that't never gonna happen cause MS.

a few things

MLT04 just has a good feeling for FPS, I try other mice and the sensors just never felt right. G100s felt decent, but after using it for a while and going back to a WMO, it was instantly;y obvious how much 'smoother' the MLT04 felt

CS pros don't use MS mice anymore because of the lock-down at LAN, especially after the big cheating scandal a while back. Now even competitive players can't use them, since ESEA locked down their client (you can't use unsigned drivers, meaning you can't OC the WMO and use it in ESEA).

Overwatch will likely be big and I'll probably be competing again in it, I love the WMO but that thing will be nothing but problems if I go to LAN and use it. Now with Windows 8 on the PC's you use at tournies, I don't even know if a USB OC is even possible.

The only decent solution I can come to is putting the G100s sensor in the WMO. I can keep the shape and feet I want, but it lets me have plug-and-play 500hz with an 'alright' sensor.

 

[wmoftw]

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Originally Posted by Pa12a

Well that's the point where I always find it strange that some people talk to me about them having to look what sensor/mouse feels best, while they always babble on about "on paper"-stuff.

those criticisms are valid though, I love the WMO but the overclocking and 400dpi make this a bad mouse for a lot of people. When I was playing some MOBAs for fun, 400dpi wasn't cutting it. You can talk about sensor speed performance and things like that, but some mice sensors just feel strange or odd. Some people like a bit of mouse correction or something different, so it's always a subjective issue.

 

[julsfof]

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Originally Posted by wmoftw

Spoiler: stuff

a few things

MLT04 just has a good feeling for FPS, I try other mice and the sensors just never felt right. G100s felt decent, but after using it for a while and going back to a WMO, it was instantly;y obvious how much 'smoother' the MLT04 felt

CS pros don't use MS mice anymore because of the lock-down at LAN, especially after the big cheating scandal a while back. Now even competitive players can't use them, since ESEA locked down their client (you can't use unsigned drivers, meaning you can't OC the WMO and use it in ESEA).

Overwatch will likely be big and I'll probably be competing again in it, I love the WMO but that thing will be nothing but problems if I go to LAN and use it. Now with Windows 8 on the PC's you use at tournies, I don't even know if a USB OC is even possible.

The only decent solution I can come to is putting the G100s sensor in the WMO. I can keep the shape and feet I want, but it lets me have plug-and-play 500hz with an 'alright' sensor.

I can only repeat myself what actual hardware you got doesn't matter as long as it works for you.

g402 has the same sensor as the g100s but a body that is at least somewhat similar to the WMO.

 

[CorruptBE]

So this one time, I was going to turn around because some shot me in the back, but I couldn't because WMO hit the malfunction speed.

There, "perfect sensor" argument derailed.

 

[wmoftw]

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Originally Posted by CorruptBE

So this one time, I was going to turn around because some shot me in the back, but I couldn't because WMO hit the malfunction speed.

There, "perfect sensor" argument derailed.

that's stupid anyways, there is no perfect sensor. everything has a problem with it

 

[CorruptBE]

Stupid, just like half the WMO praising threads. It's time to put that old thing away, mainly due to being unable to run 500 Hz in Windows 8 and upwards.

It's not a mouse worth using imo these days, just useful as an "example" for a specific element of mouse performance.