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Sorry if this idea has been tossed up before. Hopefully things would have changed if it wasn't done recently anyway.

I was just wondering how much hardware you could fit in a single mid size tower case that would allow for the most PPD under one single case. Cost not being a factor. Though you wouldn't want to frivolously throw money away on a CPU with a clock speed that can easily be OC'd to.

I was wondering if there are mobo's that you could put 4 9800 Gx2's into? Also would it be necessary to have one entire core of a cpu designated to each cpu core? Or does it not make so large of a difference?
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If cost were not to be a factor, buy a full tower and get 4 9800GX2s on a 4 pcie mobo of your choice. A few dummy plugs and you will be pumping out some srs ppd
~ 50k Overclocked.
No price constraint? As long as you're spending insane amounts of money, get yourself a nice X58 board to put those four 9800GX2's on (e.g. MSI X58 Platinum) and throw a Core i7 940 in there. Then you can run a couple of SMP clients as well for another 12,000-15,000PPD. (Wild guess; I haven't heard of anyone folding on an i7 yet.)
If you go w/ an Intel mobo, i would get thisMSI X48 Platinum or if you can find one, this is prob a better mobo MSI P6N Diamond.

Im planning on going the AMD (less expensive) route w/ this mobo MSI K9A2 Platinum

If your using the rig as a dedicated folding machine, you dont need a uber fast cpu or a quad for that matter. If you use Vista you dont need a full cpu core for each core on the GPU. Im planning on gettting an AMD Athlon X2 4850e. For an Intel CPU, you could get an Intel Celeron E1200.

Money not a factor, (4) 9800GX2's would make a killer folding rig. Prob get at least 40,000PPD, if not more. Its gonna cost you $1400 in GPU's alone. Your gonna need a pretty big PSU to run them all.

If it were me, for that amount of money, i would get 4 mobo's, and 8 volt modded 9800GSO's. Prob be able to get 48,000-50,000PPD. But thats just me.

Check out nafljhy's [Project]FaHRack
thanks for referencing me stinger!


if you really have that much money, i say get affordable mobos with 3-4 pcie slots and then 8800GSs/9600GSOs as they are the best bang for buck. what stinger listed for AMD is exactly like my intel version. with what i have.. i should be able push out 72000PPD on stock settings. if i OC the cards.. 80,000PPD and thats assuming 5000PPD per card but i've seen people say the've hit 5,500.

my folding farm cost me... a tad more than $2000. i mean unless you are dead serious on having it all in one case, then you would be better off buying a rack from say homedepot or lowes and place your rigs on that. i built my racks to have it somewhat fit into my apartment... so yea..
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I said in side a midsize tower because you have to make some sort of size restraints or there really isn't a limiting factor then since money isn't.

Question though. Wouldn't mobo's with PCIE x16 slots right next to each other get covered up but the heat sink on the GPU? How large of a PSU are we talking? Are there mobo's with 4 PCIE x16 slots that are all at a x16 speed? I don't understand why thats so hard to do?
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I said in side a midsize tower because you have to make some sort of size restraints or there really isn't a limiting factor then since money isn't.

Question though. Wouldn't mobo's with PCIE x16 slots right next to each other get covered up but the heat sink on the GPU? How large of a PSU are we talking? Are there mobo's with 4 PCIE x16 slots that are all at a x16 speed? I don't understand why thats so hard to do?
Any rig w/ 4 GPU's is going to need a little extra cooling. The MSI mobo's have double spacing between the slots. or you could run single slot cards. If you use 4 dual slot card you will have to mod the case a bit to clear the bottom card, unless you get a case w/ more than 7 expansion slots.

If you were to get 4 9800GSO's, you could get away w/ using a 500W or so PSU. Now if you went w/ 4 9800GX2's i prob would go w a 850-1000W PSU since you will have twice the cores.

Folding isnt a graphical application, per say. So you dont need all of the slots to be 16x. 8x is plenty to run a folding application.
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as stinger said, you don't need it to be all x16 even x4 works perfectly fine. plus we don't have any mobos that have all x16s especially if they have more than 2 pcie slots. with the MSI boards that do have 4x slots.. you can do 4x 9800GX2s.. but again you'd need a higher wattage PSU.
This is what I'm setting up ATM:

Mid-size case (Raidmax)
2 9600 GSO
1 8600 GTS
2 GB RAM
MSI P7N Platinum
Intel E1200
Silverstone 650 W PSU

I'll get a little over 10K PPD.
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How many PPD does this 9800GX2 get? And what's the most PPD you can get out of a single slot card (and which card)?
Well, you get a P6T6 Revolution, six GTX 280's with single slot water blocks, a nice i7 for 8 threads, and you are looking at maybe 60,000 PPD, max. Throw that all into a gutted Antec 300 with a 240mm Feser rad, and off you go.

GX2 Gets ~10,000 PPD in best cases, a GTX 280 ~7,000 on air cooling. Which means the GTX280 is more efficient per slot.
9800gx2 = (~5k per instance) X 2 = ~10k per card

for single slot? i'd have to say 8800gt/9800gt w/ v-mods. someone showed getting about 6k per card with a good v-mod.

EDIT:
this is a v-mod by CL3P20 with 8800gs's, imagine one with 8800gt/9800gt's

http://www.overclock.net/4869366-post55.html
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TO SUN: So your saying you would have to get the 280's with the water cooling to allow for you to be able to fit all of them in the case? As opposed to air cooling. So the i7 has 8 cores? I would think you would need quite an insane water cooling set up to cool all 6 GPU's and the CPU.
i7 has 4 cores but because of hyperthreading, it can go up to 8 threads. iirc. i could be wrong though.
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i7 has 4 cores but because of hyperthreading, it can go up to 8 threads. iirc. i could be wrong though.
You are right, though you probably wouldn't get twice the PPD, because In hyperthreaded processors only part of the core is copied,not the actual execution cores. Intel says hyperthreading gives about 15-30% more performance, but I don't know how much that would be for [email protected]
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You are right, though you probably wouldn't get twice the PPD, because In hyperthreaded processors only part of the core is copied,not the actual execution cores. Intel says hyperthreading gives about 15-30% more performance, but I don't know how much that would be for [email protected]
Probably close to nothing because [email protected] SMP has a very different multi-core design then other applications and games that will utilize 1 physical core fully.

Hyper threading I believe only increases the efficiency. Say I am running a program that uses very little proccessing power but maybe it needs to be run in real time so that process will take one thread all the time but only use lets say 5% with no hyper threading 95% is wasted, but with hyper threading a different process can use the wasted processing power.

But because you are running the GPU client on 8 GPU cores each CPU core can handle 2 GPU's but if it its not hyper threaded it will have to switch from one to the other making an in efficient system, but because the Core i7 are hyper threaded each GPU can take as much of the core as they want and the OS/CPU microcode will handle load balancing across all 4 CPU cores.
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Best in one Case is still to run four 9800GX2 Cards.
Requires a strong PSU, Mainboard with 4 Slots (1 space between each) and a Tower that has space below the Mainboard (ATX-Boards have 7 slots while the Cards will need 8 because of the Fans).
And you should able to stand the noise of the fans (the two Cards in the middle get really hot).

Four 9800GX2's give close to 40000 PPD.
Drugless has such Systems running on water, but I also seen it with stock cooler.

Instering will be if there comes a GTX-260X2 in 55nm process.
Could be a better solution in terms of power consumption and therefore long term run.
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