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Hello all,

I have an upcoming build regarding TR2. I will be going with the 2990WX. I have watched and read some fantastic reviews regarding the MSI MEG Creation for TR2, it looks like an incredible board. However I wanted to know what we (you guys) thought about the Gigabyte Aorus Extreme for TR2. The MSI Meg Creation has 19 Phases, this is actually 8 on doubler so far as the review has indicated. The Gigabyte Aorus extreme states 10+3 phases, but other than that I do not know much about the phase configuration for that board as I am struggling to find information on it. I am also a little bit of a noob so far as phase go.

Both these boards are like for like in mainly everything, but I want to make sure I have the best and most stable power delivery for the CPU as it is a beast especially when sitting at an all core OC.

MSI Meg Creation: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X399-CREATION

Gigabyte Auros Extreme: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X399-AORUS-XTREME-rev-10#kf

In all honesty I am only bothered by the power delivery of these boards, looks and other features are secondary.

Thanks in advance for any wisdom.

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If I were buying Threadripper WX, the MEG is the only currently-available board I would consider. I definitely wouldn't trust the VRM on the other boards for all-core overclocks under heavy load.
 

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Hello all,

I have an upcoming build regarding TR2. I will be going with the 2990WX. I have watched and read some fantastic reviews regarding the MSI MEG Creation for TR2, it looks like an incredible board. However I wanted to know what we (you guys) thought about the Gigabyte Aorus Extreme for TR2. The MSI Meg Creation has 19 Phases, this is actually 8 on doubler so far as the review has indicated. The Gigabyte Aorus extreme states 10+3 phases, but other than that I do not know much about the phase configuration for that board as I am struggling to find information on it. I am also a little bit of a noob so far as phase go.

Both these boards are like for like in mainly everything, but I want to make sure I have the best and most stable power delivery for the CPU as it is a beast especially when sitting at an all core OC.

MSI Meg Creation: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X399-CREATION

Gigabyte Auros Extreme: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X399-AORUS-XTREME-rev-10#kf

In all honesty I am only bothered by the power delivery of these boards, looks and other features are secondary.

Thanks in advance for any wisdom.


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The board qualitatively sems good, the aesthetis is horrible, but on theflipide at least the VRM heatinks are good and big....that being said MSI has never release a BIOS with offset voltage, which if that is the case all these VRMS are almost a total waste, as there would be no way to benefit from them nor get good efficiency....so u would likely end up runnign ur CPU with high voltages, inefficiently at the cot of massive heat....and a CPU like this even at stock, is not a CPU u wanna have in any environment that doesnt have at least 12k BTU of air conditioning for a small room...YOu will definitely wanna have at least a dedicated 480 MM radiator ONLY for the CPu...and YOu will definitley wanna make sure it is decoupled in some other room than where u working with it.

ALSO you lose one PCI slot...which makes it now obvious that for THeradripper 2 Dual socket size motherboards to host this CPU are a mst at this point, as it make sno sense to have this wonder CPU if u cant slot in at least 7 GPUS or even 8 as PCIe gen 4/5 is behind the corner.

So I would stay put for now UNLESS im sure there is voltage offset.

But I strongly suspect that threadripper 32 core will not sell much at all becuase in all honesty there is not one single motherboard made for it...THIS MSI motherboard is well l build but even if had voltage offset would be really way underfeatured.

You are way better off into buying a dual socket EPYC system if CPU is what matters for You, OR a single socket HPC single socket system that can host 8 gpus which is at this moment the only viable solution for those who are into 3d content worth buying.

Asus will not make any motherboards for threadripper 2 they have been copy pasting the same mother board for intel and AMD for ages now...and in all honesty the Zenith ROG is a total piece of crap as it is designed for fashion victims and not content creators or professionals, and in no way can manage the AMD W series....believe Me you DO NOT wanna hear those ****ty lats minute micro fans they pushing to kids..and spending this kind of money to score 5 k in cinebench u better off with two cheap epyc and score higher in total silence.....You can ind real life performance results in Chaos Group Vray bench marks pages.

If Your scope is gaming and streaming, dont waste Your money and stick with a Ryzen 7



https://benchmark.chaosgroup.com/cpu

You should NOT buy into threadripper W series if You dont need at least 60 Teraflops of compute power and above, and You should be willing to spend at least 1500 dollars for a really robust coooling solution....forget about 360 gamers radiators think chillers or massive 60 mm 540 x180 only for the CPU, if u wanna use your machine in a liveable room and spend 20 dollars a month in air conditioning when ambient temperature is anything above 19 C
 

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The MEG is 16 phases, period. Yes, a doubler is used to achieve that but we are looking at ~700A that can be pushed thru the VRMs. That‘s LN2 levels of stupid high and means in reverse conclusion that the MEG can be abused for moderate OC without having to worry too much about VRM cooling, even on the 2990wx.
 

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Both these boards are like for like in mainly everything, but I want to make sure I have the best and most stable power delivery for the CPU as it is a beast especially when sitting at an all core OC.

MSI Meg Creation: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X399-CREATION

Gigabyte Auros Extreme: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X399-AORUS-XTREME-rev-10#kf

In all honesty I am only bothered by the power delivery of these boards, looks and other features are secondary.
The MEG is 16x 70A VCORE.
The GAE is 10x 50A VCORE.
The ZE you currently have is 8x 60A VCORE.

As a ZE owner if I was getting TR I wouldn't even consider the GAE. The other aspect of the ZE is the IR3555M have internal temperature sensor. So VRM temperature reported on this board is not a diode close to VRM components, but actual internal temperature of components AFAIK.
 

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The board qualitatively sems good, the aesthetis is horrible, but on theflipide at least the VRM heatinks are good and big....that being said MSI has never release a BIOS with offset voltage, which if that is the case all these VRMS are almost a total waste, as there would be no way to benefit from them nor get good efficiency....so u would likely end up runnign ur CPU with high voltages, inefficiently at the cot of massive heat....and a CPU like this even at stock, is not a CPU u wanna have in any environment that doesnt have at least 12k BTU of air conditioning for a small room...YOu will definitely wanna have at least a dedicated 480 MM radiator ONLY for the CPu...and YOu will definitley wanna make sure it is decoupled in some other room than where u working with it.

ALSO you lose one PCI slot...which makes it now obvious that for THeradripper 2 Dual socket size motherboards to host this CPU are a mst at this point, as it make sno sense to have this wonder CPU if u cant slot in at least 7 GPUS or even 8 as PCIe gen 4/5 is behind the corner.

So I would stay put for now UNLESS im sure there is voltage offset.

But I strongly suspect that threadripper 32 core will not sell much at all becuase in all honesty there is not one single motherboard made for it...THIS MSI motherboard is well l build but even if had voltage offset would be really way underfeatured.

You are way better off into buying a dual socket EPYC system if CPU is what matters for You, OR a single socket HPC single socket system that can host 8 gpus which is at this moment the only viable solution for those who are into 3d content worth buying.

Asus will not make any motherboards for threadripper 2 they have been copy pasting the same mother board for intel and AMD for ages now...and in all honesty the Zenith ROG is a total piece of crap as it is designed for fashion victims and not content creators or professionals, and in no way can manage the AMD W series....believe Me you DO NOT wanna hear those ****ty lats minute micro fans they pushing to kids..and spending this kind of money to score 5 k in cinebench u better off with two cheap epyc and score higher in total silence.....You can ind real life performance results in Chaos Group Vray bench marks pages.

If Your scope is gaming and streaming, dont waste Your money and stick with a Ryzen 7


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1UUdXwytZI

https://benchmark.chaosgroup.com/cpu

You should NOT buy into threadripper W series if You dont need at least 60 Teraflops of compute power and above, and You should be willing to spend at least 1500 dollars for a really robust coooling solution....forget about 360 gamers radiators think chillers or massive 60 mm 540 x180 only for the CPU, if u wanna use your machine in a liveable room and spend 20 dollars a month in air conditioning when ambient temperature is anything above 19 C
Thanks for the insights, I think the comment regarding air conditioning is a little extreme though. As for the multiple GPU's, I will not be rocking any more than 2 GPU's on this platform so there is no need for me to move into the Epyc realm. I will be doing multi threaded tasks that rely on the CPU more than any GPU power.

The MEG is 16 phases, period. Yes, a doubler is used to achieve that but we are looking at ~700A that can be pushed thru the VRMs. That‘s LN2 levels of stupid high and means in reverse conclusion that the MEG can be abused for moderate OC without having to worry too much about VRM cooling, even on the 2990wx.
Thanks for the information, I think the MEG has more than enough power.

The MEG is 16x 70A VCORE.
The GAE is 10x 50A VCORE.
The ZE you currently have is 8x 60A VCORE.

As a ZE owner if I was getting TR I wouldn't even consider the GAE. The other aspect of the ZE is the IR3555M have internal temperature sensor. So VRM temperature reported on this board is not a diode close to VRM components, but actual internal temperature of components AFAIK.
Nice insight, I actually looked at a TR2 review using the Zenith, lets just say the Zenith does not cope well, even with that ridiculous cooling kit which does virtually nothing (Not sure what Asus are thinking). Fine for TR1 but for the 2nd gen 250Watt TDP Cpu's. Not even worth the risk.

I think considering all the above a long with my own research and gut, I will go with the MSI MEG, Cannot go too wrong with it going by the reviews and whats on paper.

Thanks everyone !
 

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My advice is to be cautious and not to buy a motherboard before finding out how it behaves using the new TR2 series. 16 phases on the MSI motherboard could very well be a waste which is payed for by the user that will never get any benefit of, if the CPU doesn't need that much power. Anandtech have a review of the MSI motherboard and they do point out that the boot time of the MSI is very long compared to other motherboards, so there are issues, could be fixed with later BIOS or may not be fixable.
 

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1/ MEG without a doubt for a 2990X if you plan to oc that cpu at all.



And as for Asus with the ZE and their rinky dink little strap on fan, pffffft!!! what an insult and joke! Than company just plummeted as far as reputation goes in my eyes.
 

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The power stage in the MSI board is a few percentage points more efficient so even if it was matching Gigabyte's 10x, it'd still be ~10C lower at equal overclocks.

Tweaktown has a video of the 560A ( 8 x 70A ) beating 720A ( 12 x 60A ) by 10C from their youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/tweaktown/videos

https://www.overclock.net/forum/6-i...65-intel-x299-socket-2066-vrm-thread-103.html
There is a guy on here that didn't use a chiller for a 5ghz 7980XE with 4000mhz/C16 ram. He had 3x2 dual ddcs ( 10W versions instead of the 18W (3.2) or the 20W ( 3.25 )) + 1 D5 + 5x480x60 ( older EK stuff ) + a Mora 3 420 + 2x2100mhz 1080 Tis ).
Are you going to try getting 4.2/4.3 on water?
 

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I'll keep you posted if I find anything out.


However, the MSI board has 16 phases for VCore it looks like. M.2 slots have been relocated to a daughter-board.



The Gigabyte board is using a thermally enhanced (exposed junction) powerstage, but 10 of them along with a more massive finned heatsink , two 30mm fans under IO shroud, as well as a backplate. Ultimately as it is E-ATX I think they ran out of board real estate.



The Gigabyte page lists IR3578 with 50A:
https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/pro...ted-power-stage/ir-mosfet-power-stage/ir3578/


The MSI board is stronger by far.
 

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The MEG is 16x 70A VCORE.
The GAE is 10x 50A VCORE.
The ZE you currently have is 8x 60A VCORE.

As a ZE owner if I was getting TR I wouldn't even consider the GAE. The other aspect of the ZE is the IR3555M have internal temperature sensor. So VRM temperature reported on this board is not a diode close to VRM components, but actual internal temperature of components AFAIK.
Value added post. Thank you.
 

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Thanks guys for all your input, fantastic advice. I went ahead and ordered the MSI MEG. For me it is a quality board after watching all the reviews thus far, it does offer me a good deal of reassurance. Granted the boot times are a little longer but I think that will likely get resolved in BIOS updates. Even if it does not get resolved, I will take a longer boot any day if it means I have a stronger board overall.

I still cannot get over Asus's arrogance with regards to TR2 and no refresh, even more insulting they think the cooling kit with a skimpy fan is going to help the VRM's LOL.
 

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MEG review in Chinese (TR 2950X + 2990WX): http://www.expreview.com/63506-2.html

In fact, this 32-core full-core over 4GHz is also a very difficult thing, because the FSB is not too stable under load, and finally the CPU is supercharged to 4GHz with 1.28V and tested by AIDA 64 FPU grill. At this point, the power consumption table shows that the overall power consumption of the platform has reached 650W, which means that the power consumption of the CPU has doubled compared with the default. However, the power supply of the motherboard is still not much problem, indicating that the power quality of the motherboard is excellent. .

TDA21472 datasheet is nowhere to be found but a reference is found over at AVNet.


A Supermicro board was reviewed by Steven using the same mosfet (10 of them instead of 16), but on a 24 core EPYC https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8565/supermicro-h11ssl-nc-server-motherboard-review/index10.html
 

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I recently got the MSI MEG X399 and did a little testing with it.
It has an offset voltage option. So far its working quite well.
My CPU is running with PBO active and to my surprise the Noctua TR4 cooler can actually handle that kind of load.
Things would be better with a custom loop but i am fine with how things are running at the moment.
 

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Caved! Grabbed a MEG, setting it up now with 1900X, will throw a 2950X in when they are available. Apparently MSI just released a new bios for the boar with PBO and Offset Voltage settings, way to go MSI!!! Looks like they are going to support this board and respect feedback from users regarding feature implementation in bios.

@ENTERPRISE, you should start an official X399 MEG user thread.
 

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Ok just set this board MEG up with a 1900X temporarily till the 2950X is available and it appears broken on the bios level. 1900X seems locked at 3800MHz and 1.4+ volts with no XFR and will NOT down volt or down clock in windows with balance power plan enabled. There appears to be nothing I can change in the bios that rectifies this issue of the cpu being "locked" in this 3800MHz 1.4+ volt mode.

And all the reviewers didn't pick up on this OBVIOUS flaw, faaaaark me, how well do they test things out. What now? Blowed if I want to run this system like this constantly.


BTW, tried both bioses 1.0 and 1.1 and same problem.
 

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Check if hardware OC mode is active. this sounds an awful lot like one of the OC modes being in effect by the knob on the lower right on the board.
 

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Caved! Grabbed a MEG, setting it up now with 1900X, will throw a 2950X in when they are available. Apparently MSI just released a new bios for the boar with PBO and Offset Voltage settings, way to go MSI!!! Looks like they are going to support this board and respect feedback from users regarding feature implementation in bios.


@ENTERPRISE, you should start an official X399 MEG user thread.
I would but alas I do not have the time to run one properly.:eek:
 

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Check if hardware OC mode is active. this sounds an awful lot like one of the OC modes being in effect by the knob on the lower right on the board.

tried with both hardware/the knob and software/bios to set it to 0 which is off and no difference, still stuck at 3800MHz with 1.4+ volts. Disabeling performance Boost in the bios drops the voltage down to 1.25V but it's still stuck at that volt with 3800MHz clock and won't down volt or down clock when idle, it's like P-States arn't even being acknowledged.

Another GREAT feature of this board as well is it won't wake from sleep and debug code of 00 (which isn't even listed in the debug codes) shows up after trying to reset/reboot the system and it just hangs requiring a hard shut down.


I'm in short patience now and just about ready to call the board a total POS, if this can't be sorted and fixed (sent a support request to MSI already) soon I will call it a piece of junk and never go near MSI again.......and I thought my Asrock X399 had a poor bios well this thing so far makes the Asrock look like Paradise.
 
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