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So I bought the MSI Twin Frozr III 7950 a couple weeks ago and I'm loving it, but I really wanted to buy another one and crossfire it because I would love to be able to play with MSAA on in a couple games and some games like Metro 2033, I get fps drops to 40fps. Why would they discontinue the card? They stopped sending out the 7970pcb and started sending a new boost edition which is the one I recieved so I wouldnt think that they would just stop??

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You do not have to have the exact same card to xfire, as long as it is a 7950, you are good to go ... unless you are going for aesthetics.
 

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Just sucks that I have to go through that whole process of endless research. I really like my TFIII. I obtained an OC of 1200/1575 on stock voltage! This thing overclocks like a beast and it idles at 25c and under full load its 53c. THAT is why I don't want to get a different card. Maybe I'll go and just throw in a 7970 or something.
 

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its out of stock. just wait for it to come back in stock. also there is no need for HD 7950 CF unless you are running multi monitor. HD 7950 at 1.2 Ghz will max any game at 1080p with 4x MSAA. In metro 2033 the fps killer is DOF(Depth of Field). just run with it disabled. it hits performance by close to 30%. CF can be at times a not so rewarding experience. CF issues like microstuttering , poor CF scaling in few games are some of the factors. stick with single GPU and enjoy consistent performance.
 

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Ok thanks for the advice. I would just love to play far cry with 8x MSAA but I bet I would need a 7970 OC'd to a million core to do that hahahaha
 

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Ok thanks for the advice. I would just love to play far cry with 8x MSAA but I bet I would need a 7970 OC'd to a million core to do that hahahaha
if your drop from 8x MSAA to 4x MSAA Farcry 3 would be perfectly playable. at your 1.2 ghz clocks you should be faster than HD 7970 Ghz and running at 45+ fps with Ultra , HDAO, enhanced A2C, 4x MSAA. hardocp tests the most demanding scenarios in the game during perf evaluation. so in most cases you should be around 50 - 60 fps.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/12/17/far_cry_3_video_card_performance_iq_review/6
 

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Hey Ravage-
I don't know if there are any CompUSA/Tigerdirect stores near you-but my local(Ft Laud)store has 4.
Other are stores(Miami)have a few as well...
I heard from store employee in late Dec that the 7950 MSI TF III was the one to get(w/7970 pcb) and I snapped one up-there were
at least a dozen.
The next paycheck(10 days later)ALL were gone.
New shipment is ALL "Boost" editions,but would still x-fire well for you I imagine...
I got two Sapphires for my x-fire setup-reeel happy.
Another few months and I may have enough rep to sell the TFIII(7970 pcb vers) here!
 

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Where did you hear that they stopped using the 7970 PCB? My second TFIII 7950 is a "Boost" Edition /w a 7970 PCB. My first one is a non boost, but still a 7970 PCB.

Keep an eye on Amazon too. They are currently out of stock. But keep checking, when I got my second one Amazon was OOS about a week before I ordered.

You can also TRY Amazon Warehouse. Just fair warning, Amazon Warehouse does not check the card when they get it back. I ordered a "Warehouse" one that was "like new" and when it came, the box was a 7950 but the card was a 5870 TFIII.

Oh one last thing. If you do happen to get a TFIII "Boost" edition. I would highly suggest you flash the standard "non-boost" bios onto it. I have been having some issues with my setup, lowish FPS, lowish bench scores. i.e. not BAD, but felt like performance should have been better. Finally I noticed in GPU-Z on the second "boost" card, the core was constantly and rapidly going between 880 and 960. Even if I OC to 1000, it would still go between 1000 and 880, where my standard card would just hold 1000.

So I flash it, and everything just better. It now holds 1000mhz core while gaming, FPS and Benchmarks went up.

Firestrike /w Boost Bios

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/176437

Firestrike /w Normal Bios

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/176615
 

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Where did you hear that they stopped using the 7970 PCB? My second TFIII 7950 is a "Boost" Edition /w a 7970 PCB. My first one is a non boost, but still a 7970 PCB.

Keep an eye on Amazon too. They are currently out of stock. But keep checking, when I got my second one Amazon was OOS about a week before I ordered.

You can also TRY Amazon Warehouse. Just fair warning, Amazon Warehouse does not check the card when they get it back. I ordered a "Warehouse" one that was "like new" and when it came, the box was a 7950 but the card was a 5870 TFIII.

Oh one last thing. If you do happen to get a TFIII "Boost" edition. I would highly suggest you flash the standard "non-boost" bios onto it. I have been having some issues with my setup, lowish FPS, lowish bench scores. i.e. not BAD, but felt like performance should have been better. Finally I noticed in GPU-Z on the second "boost" card, the core was constantly and rapidly going between 880 and 960. Even if I OC to 1000, it would still go between 1000 and 880, where my standard card would just hold 1000.

So I flash it, and everything just better. It now holds 1000mhz core while gaming, FPS and Benchmarks went up.

Firestrike /w Boost Bios

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/176437

Firestrike /w Normal Bios

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/176615
Hmm that's very interesting. Does this happen with a lot of TFIII cards? I can't say I've ever noticed it on mine although i might give it a try.
 

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Where did you hear that they stopped using the 7970 PCB? My second TFIII 7950 is a "Boost" Edition /w a 7970 PCB. My first one is a non boost, but still a 7970 PCB.

Keep an eye on Amazon too. They are currently out of stock. But keep checking, when I got my second one Amazon was OOS about a week before I ordered.

You can also TRY Amazon Warehouse. Just fair warning, Amazon Warehouse does not check the card when they get it back. I ordered a "Warehouse" one that was "like new" and when it came, the box was a 7950 but the card was a 5870 TFIII.

Oh one last thing. If you do happen to get a TFIII "Boost" edition. I would highly suggest you flash the standard "non-boost" bios onto it. I have been having some issues with my setup, lowish FPS, lowish bench scores. i.e. not BAD, but felt like performance should have been better. Finally I noticed in GPU-Z on the second "boost" card, the core was constantly and rapidly going between 880 and 960. Even if I OC to 1000, it would still go between 1000 and 880, where my standard card would just hold 1000.

So I flash it, and everything just better. It now holds 1000mhz core while gaming, FPS and Benchmarks went up.

Firestrike /w Boost Bios

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/176437

Firestrike /w Normal Bios

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/176615
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Hmm that's very interesting. Does this happen with a lot of TFIII cards? I can't say I've ever noticed it on mine although i might give it a try.
I heard it from myself and from everyone who has been getting these cards lately lol. It really doesnt make a difference that it goes between 880 and 960, at least I dont think so. I believe that it uses the power necessary for the situation so if it isnt a demanding scene it will drop down to 880 and if you are fighting 20 AI's in a huge detailed area it will "boost" to the set core speed. I think its pretty cool. With my overclock of 1200/1575 @ stock boost voltage of 1.25v and core i5 3570k @ 4.2Ghz I get a score of p10350 in 3dMark11 and a score of 1200 in Heaven 4.0 with the extreme preset. Does that seem normal?
 

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I have the same card. Had two, just sold my original 7970pcb tf3 bc it didn't ovrrclock past 1025/1575. Got one one the boost editions now and it appears to be 7970pcb aswell with the 8/6pin connector. I have it overclocked to 1100/1575 on stock 1081mv in afterburmer. The voltage is unlocked in afterburmer, but how are you guys able to go past 1100/1575? My sliders are maxed out
 

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Oh and you won't believe this, but i got the second 7950TF3 for $211+tax on clearance at microcenter with the never settle bundle! So i sold my original tf3 for $230 and came out even for a better clocking card plus crysis 2/bioshock!

Yesterday NCIX had these for $300 shipped plus a $15 rebate bring it to $285; check there
 

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My sliders max out at 1200/1575. That's strange
 

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I heard it from myself and from everyone who has been getting these cards lately lol. It really doesnt make a difference that it goes between 880 and 960, at least I dont think so. I believe that it uses the power necessary for the situation so if it isnt a demanding scene it will drop down to 880 and if you are fighting 20 AI's in a huge detailed area it will "boost" to the set core speed. I think its pretty cool. With my overclock of 1200/1575 @ stock boost voltage of 1.25v and core i5 3570k @ 4.2Ghz I get a score of p10350 in 3dMark11 and a score of 1200 in Heaven 4.0 with the extreme preset. Does that seem normal?
Not trying to be an ass, but I just proved that it does matter. At least in a crossfire setup. Haven't tried the boost card as a single card. Also your stock voltage is "high". I will double check mine, but pretty sure it is right around 1.1

For curiosity sake, download the new 3DMark and run through fire strike /w GPUz going in the background, and see if your GPU clock is rapidly changing between 880 and your OC. If it is, you may want to try a older bios and see if your scores go up. But again, I am 90% sure it is a crossfire issue /w the slave card being the boost card.
 

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Not trying to be an ass, but I just proved that it does matter. At least in a crossfire setup. Haven't tried the boost card as a single card. Also your stock voltage is "high". I will double check mine, but pretty sure it is right around 1.1

For curiosity sake, download the new 3DMark and run through fire strike /w GPUz going in the background, and see if your GPU clock is rapidly changing between 880 and your OC. If it is, you may want to try a older bios and see if your scores go up. But again, I am 90% sure it is a crossfire issue /w the slave card being the boost card.
No man you aren't being an ass at all I'm sure you are much more experienced with this stuff than I am. I just built my rig a little less than a month ago. I was thinking about flashing the bios but that would void the warranty right? My card is a bit new and idk if I want to start messing around with stuff that would void my warranty this soon after buying the card.
 

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No man you aren't being an ass at all I'm sure you are much more experienced with this stuff than I am. I just built my rig a little less than a month ago. I was thinking about flashing the bios but that would void the warranty right? My card is a bit new and idk if I want to start messing around with stuff that would void my warranty this soon after buying the card.
OP your card is working fine. so don't mess with flashing BIOS. the other person might have not maxed out power control to +20%. so there would have been clock fluctuations.
 

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OP your card is working fine. so don't mess with flashing BIOS. the other person might have not maxed out power control to +20%. so there would have been clock fluctuations.
Yea I really don't want to gamble doing something like that if it isnt absolutely necessary.
 
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