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After much research, I decided to go with the Creation over the Godlike. I prefer the built in 10GB ethernet and after checking the memory QVL for the AMD 3000 series CPU's they are pretty much identical.

I'm going to CCX overclock using a fixed voltage at first, hope to test it at 1.325v tops, then go Adaptive.

I have a 3950x, the Creation, two memory kits, 4x8GB Trident Z 16-16-16-36 non-RGB B-die 5WB and 2x16GB Trident Z Neo 16-16-16-36 3600 B-die 5WB

These boards are Daisy chain so I'm really sure the 2x16GB will work better than the 4x8GB. Going to test both configurations when I get my AMD Optimus Foundation waterblock Tuesday.

https://optimuspc.com/products/foundation-cpu-block-amd?variant=16111866085425

Foundation CPU Block - AMD
Black Acetal + Black Aluminum / Pro-XE Nickel

 

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Here is an MSI X570 Prestige Creation bios with all the SATA, RST, GOP and Ethernet firmwares updates to the latest version. It's been tested and running on my PC currently. It already had the latest microcodes, and I can make a Godlike or Unify version of the BIOS on request.

It can be flashed with MFlash. It's the latest official MSI BIOS version. :D

It is too big even WinRar compressed to attach it here as a zip file so I uploaded it to my Google drive.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rbd35LuMKgAqdr_u-4YOQFgnH_1kAd7Q/view?usp=sharing
 

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Going to add the AGESA 1.0.0.5 beta bios's for the Creation/Godlike modded with latest firmwares etc. when I get home from work.
 

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Here is the Godlike BIOS with an unlocked CBS and PBS menu and all the BIOS controller firmwares and microcodes up to date.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ShsZp9r4OQdzSil1c1WF1cAqqiOS-0Ym/view?usp=sharing


If you're going to flash the unlocked BIOS, rename it to MSI.ROM and put it on an MBR USB. You make that with the RUFUS tool. :h34r-smi

Then put it in the USB flashback slot and flash it that way.

A lot of the stuff and the AMD Overclocking menu never showed up until I flashed it that method. :eek:
 

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I'd love to hear about experiences (and settings) with the Godlike. With this 3950X I'm only doing about 9450 in Cinebench with PBO on full auto and 3600 RAM on XMP. Seeing a lot more from other boards with basic PBO / XMP, but maybe that's the lottery for you.
 

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I'd love to hear about experiences (and settings) with the Godlike. With this 3950X I'm only doing about 9450 in Cinebench with PBO on full auto and 3600 RAM on XMP. Seeing a lot more from other boards with basic PBO / XMP, but maybe that's the lottery for you.
I had trouble with the PBO bug on my Godlike, only getting 4.1GHZ all cores in Cinebench. :h34r-smi

I think it's not working right with MSI boards. :eek:

However, on CCX overclocking I have 6 #1 benchmarks in Blender OpenData benchmarks for a 3950x. :D

Oh, and the newest BIOS is a hot mess. Options missing, overclock now unstable, BIOS freeze every other reboot, need to power off PSU. :mad:

Went back to the unlocked 1.0.0.5 BIOS I posted earlier in the thread. :typer:

Edit: I can share my BIOS settings when I get home, but my CPU has a golden IMC, not sure the memory settings would work for you. :(
 

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Well I'd love to give it a shot, thanks. I'm able to squeeze out a bit more by cranking DRAM up to 3800, clocking around 9580 in CB R20. Playing around with voltage and scalar generally didn't do any better than full-auto PBO due to throttling, which echos the review sites' experience as well. I'm not sure this Fractal Celsius is cooling it as well as needed for real clocks, but I haven't seen higher than 71C.

Earlier in the thread it's mentioned that 9500 is baseline for PBO across the boards, so I'm okay with that for now.

I've been running the latest BIOS you posted above, thanks for that. One issue I have with the board (across BIOS versions even) is that Vive controllers are constantly dropping out for good, requiring a complete SteamVR reinstall to get them back. I've tried everything; it works just fine on an old MSI MPOWER. *shrug*
 

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Well I'd love to give it a shot, thanks. I'm able to squeeze out a bit more by cranking DRAM up to 3800, clocking around 9580 in CB R20. Playing around with voltage and scalar generally didn't do any better than full-auto PBO due to throttling, which echos the review sites' experience as well. I'm not sure this Fractal Celsius is cooling it as well as needed for real clocks, but I haven't seen higher than 71C.

Earlier in the thread it's mentioned that 9500 is baseline for PBO across the boards, so I'm okay with that for now.

I've been running the latest BIOS you posted above, thanks for that. One issue I have with the board (across BIOS versions even) is that Vive controllers are constantly dropping out for good, requiring a complete SteamVR reinstall to get them back. I've tried everything; it works just fine on an old MSI MPOWER. *shrug*


Long week at work. I'll try to get you my BIOS settings soon. The best way is Imgur, then link them here, but it's a pain. :(
 
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I'm building a new PC around a 3950X and am leaning toward the Creation board. The benefits I see with Creation are more USB ports, onboard 10G, not paying for fancy lighting I don't need and putting the difference in cost toward a much better DAC than the Godlike's onboard DAC. The extra PCIe x1 slots would be convenient for extra USB ports in the future too.

Am I missing something important in my reasoning? Does the Godlike have some other cooling properties that make a real world performance difference with the 3950X?

A friend that is something of a Gigabyte fanboy is trying to talk me into an X570 Aourus Xtreme, but the only argument I'm getting for that is essentially "it's better cuz it doesn't have a fan." My case already has 7 Noctua fans in it. One more tiny fan doesn't make a noise difference at this point.
 

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I'm building a new PC around a 3950X and am leaning toward the Creation board. The benefits I see with Creation are more USB ports, onboard 10G, not paying for fancy lighting I don't need and putting the difference in cost toward a much better DAC than the Godlike's onboard DAC. The extra PCIe x1 slots would be convenient for extra USB ports in the future too.

Am I missing something important in my reasoning? Does the Godlike have some other cooling properties that make a real world performance difference with the 3950X?

A friend that is something of a Gigabyte fanboy is trying to talk me into an X570 Aourus Xtreme, but the only argument I'm getting for that is essentially "it's better cuz it doesn't have a fan." My case already has 7 Noctua fans in it. One more tiny fan doesn't make a noise difference at this point.
The Creation is a good board and the onboard 10G LAN is nice. No need to use the 10G LAN card like on the Godlike.

I've owned a Unify, Creation and Godlike and they all have overclocked almost exactly the same, CPU and memory.
 

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I'm building a new PC around a 3950X and am leaning toward the Creation board. The benefits I see with Creation are more USB ports, onboard 10G, not paying for fancy lighting I don't need and putting the difference in cost toward a much better DAC than the Godlike's onboard DAC. The extra PCIe x1 slots would be convenient for extra USB ports in the future too.

Am I missing something important in my reasoning? Does the Godlike have some other cooling properties that make a real world performance difference with the 3950X?

A friend that is something of a Gigabyte fanboy is trying to talk me into an X570 Aourus Xtreme, but the only argument I'm getting for that is essentially "it's better cuz it doesn't have a fan." My case already has 7 Noctua fans in it. One more tiny fan doesn't make a noise difference at this point.
The Creation is a good board and the onboard 10G LAN is nice. No need to use the 10G LAN card like on the Godlike.

I've owned a Unify, Creation and Godlike and they all have overclocked almost exactly the same, CPU and memory.

Have you tried the new beta bios from 7/3? I'm wondering if I should download it or wait for it to come out of beta.
 

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Have you tried the new beta bios from 7/3? I'm wondering if I should download it or wait for it to come out of beta.
I tried the latest, couldn't even get memory at 3800MHz to boot. Back on 1.0.0.5 AGESA BIOS. :(
 

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There does seem to be some incompatibility between the Vive Pro HMD and the USB chipset(s) on this board. I tried everything to get it stable, but the (first-gen Vive) controllers would irrevocably drop out and the SteamVR USB drivers would need to be reset and controllers re-added after only a few minutes of use.

I don't know if it's an X570 issue or not, the drivers just seem to be the default AMD and ASMedia drivers as supplied with Windows 10.

In cases like this where nothing else seems to fix the issue, SteamVR suggests that it could be the USB chipset at fault. Sure enough, sticking in the SteamVR recommended Inateck USB 3.0 PCIe card, everything is now perfectly stable. The same VR gear was solid with my old 4770K as well.

So beware of that combo, I guess.
 

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There does seem to be some incompatibility between the Vive Pro HMD and the USB chipset(s) on this board. I tried everything to get it stable, but the (first-gen Vive) controllers would irrevocably drop out and the SteamVR USB drivers would need to be reset and controllers re-added after only a few minutes of use.

I don't know if it's an X570 issue or not, the drivers just seem to be the default AMD and ASMedia drivers as supplied with Windows 10.

In cases like this where nothing else seems to fix the issue, SteamVR suggests that it could be the USB chipset at fault. Sure enough, sticking in the SteamVR recommended Inateck USB 3.0 PCIe card, everything is now perfectly stable. The same VR gear was solid with my old 4770K as well.

So beware of that combo, I guess.
Here's the full release 1.96 BIOS. Got it from MSI tech support. It's not on the website support pages yet. Worth a try.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bxzbf__kHpQU1cfufxi2gytrgcoTXNJ1/view?usp=sharing
 

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Kinda wish this MB was more popular. I've got PBO and XMP on and that's it. The rest is just a swamp-- I had fun with OC on Haswell MPOWER boards but Zen is just really confusing.
 

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Kinda wish this MB was more popular. I've got PBO and XMP on and that's it. The rest is just a swamp-- I had fun with OC on Haswell MPOWER boards but Zen is just really confusing.
What CPU do you have?
 

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x570 Godlike v193 BIOS, unlocked by @Eder updated with the latest RAID, GOP, Intel and Realtek Ethernet firmwares and one updated microcode (not the 3000 series microcode).

Best BIOS for memory overclocking only on 3000 series CPUs.

Do NOT use on 5000 series CPUs, your PC will NOT boot.

X570GodlikeUnlockedModded.zip

How to update.

Make a FreeDOS USB with the included Rufus, put the bios.bin flashrom.exe and CWSDPMI.EXE files on the USB.

Boot into BIOS, hit F6 to load BIOS defaults, F10 to save and reboot.

When it starts to boot hit F11 to load the boot menu.

Boot from the USB NOT UEFI. Start FreeDos, then type.

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flashrom -p internal -w bios.bin
You WILL lose all your BIOS profiles and unless you saved them to USB from the 193 BIOS, they will not work loading them from a different BIOS.

Also, best practise is if you are already on the 193 BIOS, rename a different BIOS like the newest one to bios1.bin, flash it first the same way, then flash 193.

This way it fully erases the existing BIOS and flashes the new one. If you only flash 193 on top of 193, it only takes a few seconds to flash instead of a few minutes and it seems it doesn't fully complete as it should for some reason.
 

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Thanks @KedarWolf, I'll give that a try. Per my .sig (I know, it's buried a bit) I've got the 3950x as well. I'm running the latest 1.C1 / AGESA 1.1.0.0.
Not sure I follow the best practices above given I'm on 1.C1-- I think 1.93 is pretty old by now, isn't it? Would the above modded BIOS be an AGESA regression?

[edit] just noticed that Unify thread is WAY more active. I believe these boards are close enough that Unify tweaks would translate to Godlike, for the most part. I'll check that out too.
 
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