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I will be updating this thread with new information and pics of the Mpower Max and all new Xpower [as soon as it arrives]. Below are some BIOS screens of the Mpower Max along with some initial results using the OCN Marksman and Zalman ZNPS10x Air cooler, coupled with a nice 4670k.

BIOS temps are reporting ~10c over actual [as verified with Kprobe]

MSI Xpower Pics

MSI Xpower air results : 4670k & 5770 xfire

Z87 Mpower Max BIOS screens with 4670k; 4ghz stable settings















Verified with DMM, this was enough vcore to load OS and bench SPi 1mil, Maxxmem and 32mil



**More to come soon..lots going on
 

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I dont delid.. i freeze :D

Pics of Xpower unboxing soon as it arrives!

**more results from testing 32m and some bandwidth results from Maxxmem

5ghz CPU / 5ghz Uncore



6ghz 32m time.. poor mem efficiency, low uncore..i need to re-do this one



6ghz CPU / 5.2ghz Uncore



5ghz 32m time - better efficiency/settings



4ghz 32m time - decent efficiency for Hynix.. was pushing speed with tight tertiary

 

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Sry bro, didnt mean to disrespect you
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But for ocn sake these air clocks are great, so its true when you stress test it temps shoot way up?

This thread might make me buy an mpower (vanilla one), so dont tempt me.
temps are cooler or on par with IB CPU.. but again, you can delid if you get a 'hot' CPU.. same as IB. My 4ghz times are all done on air.. 5ghz are done with CPU on cold, 6ghz are done with CPU on cold.

For my CPU:

4ghz - SVID @ 2.05v, vcore @ .94v

5ghz - SVID @ 2.15v, vcore @ 1v : -30c

6ghz - SVID @ 2.4v, vcore @ 1.1v : -110c

6.2ghz - SVID @ 2.45v, vcore @ 1.22v : -144c
 

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CL3, I like to overclock memory and CPU on air (water too), is the MPower Max worth the extra money over the other MPower for a non-extreme cooler like me? Also is this the only board you were given to test? I'm trying to find more information on RAM profiles for boards like UD5H and ASRock Professional as they are a little cheaper. But the MPower looks pretty sweet.
 

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CL3, I like to overclock memory and CPU on air (water too), is the MPower Max worth the extra money over the other MPower for a non-extreme cooler like me? Also is this the only board you were given to test? I'm trying to find more information on RAM profiles for boards like UD5H and ASRock Professional as they are a little cheaper. But the MPower looks pretty sweet.
For Air/Water - the # of phases and power stability can come into play more often times than with Extreme cooling; in that - you are more subject to abmient temps and heat.

From Mpower -> Mpower Max; I gained quite a bit of tuning capability from the additional settings in the BIOS. As for power stability.. both boards were great on air/water and LN2. I noticed nothing very 'different' in the "feel" of either board where voltage is concerned [my CPU does not need a lot of volts to go high though.. so perhaps a revisit and comparison with a 4770k is in order]. If you are not going cold though.. the Max has some frill you may not need..but also has some options that would benefit you for hard OC, regardless of cooling.

I would venture to say that the Mpower and UD5 would be on the same field of play. I also must admit, that Nick and ASRock are continuing to do amazing things with their lineup; the amount of built-in RAM profiles on the ASRock series is nothing short of amazing. Recently, I asked MSI to work to include some in upcoming BIOS for Mpower lineup.. *fingers crossed*
 

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CL whats the big difference between the M power and max? They have the same amount of power phase's right?
*Officially.. I am not sure. I dont have a retail sample of Mpower. I do have final rev. Mpower Max though. A lot of the rev's will never see the light of day, so I dont really want to comment without being able to verify "retail" info.

*Unofficially, I suspect its the same 'platform' just with a "boost".. more in depth BIOS, LN2 mode, OC buttons, Dual BIOS, OC boot, PLL override options.. couple more I am missing too.
 

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According to Newegg's spec list the MPower is 16 phase on the CPU and the MPower Max is 20 phase. The price difference is $30 so I might as well go for the top shelf model. Also Micro Center currently has exclusive rights to the UD4, which looks pretty sweet for the price.

http://microcenter.com/product/414773/GA-Z87X-UD4H_Socket_LGA_1150_ATX_Intel_Motherboard

They're doing the 4670K for $200 and bundling with the UD4H for $350 before tax which looks pretty sweet. I might jump on that.
 

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I've been using the mpower all day. I spent a few hours with nothing but issues and it turns out that it was a bad ssd. My opinion changed a good bit once I actually got it running right.

I need some more time to learn what things do and how to clock it. I really only tried a few things once I got it running right. I tried some of the blck straps but couldn't get any other than 1.00 to work and couldn't boot at almost anything other than 100. In windows it'd freeze at 102. Memory booted up using the 2933 strap with some samsungs.

I've never really messed with offsets before, but found it odd with this board. Say i set 1.4v in bios, cpu-z would show pretty close to 1.4v but my dmm would read 1.45v. With the offset, it gives the option of - or +. I set it to minus and .05v. Now my dmm reads almost exactly what i set in bios, however cpu-z shows 1.35v.

THe control center worked better than I expected and I like it more than the previous version. I also thought it was pretty cool that I can change uncore on the fly within windows. I haven't really messed with much else though.

Feel free to share some pointers if you would like
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Thats not really what i meant. I set voltage manually in bios and then I adjust with an offset, which makes no sense to me. In the past I always manually punched in desired voltage. With this board I do the same, but the voltage read on the DMM is not the same as what I set in bios. I used the offset to basically compensate for the difference. I've never cared for the offset type voltage settings. I'm using the regular Mpower.
 

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I've been using the mpower all day. I spent a few hours with nothing but issues and it turns out that it was a bad ssd. My opinion changed a good bit once I actually got it running right.

I need some more time to learn what things do and how to clock it. I really only tried a few things once I got it running right. I tried some of the blck straps but couldn't get any other than 1.00 to work and couldn't boot at almost anything other than 100. In windows it'd freeze at 102. Memory booted up using the 2933 strap with some samsungs.

I've never really messed with offsets before, but found it odd with this board. Say i set 1.4v in bios, cpu-z would show pretty close to 1.4v but my dmm would read 1.45v. With the offset, it gives the option of - or +. I set it to minus and .05v. Now my dmm reads almost exactly what i set in bios, however cpu-z shows 1.35v.

THe control center worked better than I expected and I like it more than the previous version. I also thought it was pretty cool that I can change uncore on the fly within windows. I haven't really messed with much else though.

Feel free to share some pointers if you would like
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**Leave bclk strap setting to 'Auto' and just set bclk .. I have tested in this manner on previous BIOS of Mpower and everything worked well.. I pointed this flaw out to HQ, and they are working to resolve it. You set Auto for strap selection and enter 125 for bclk.. should boot right up after dropping CPU multi ;)

Offset volts are still screwing with different software readings.. even CPU-Z 1.64.1 doesnt have it all worked out yet. Some folks are still seeing uncore or cache voltages.. others reporting similar findings as yourself.

**The MSI CC is new and improved! Its revamped for smoother interface and lighter on system resources as well!
 

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Hello Everyone,

I have successfully built my Haswell system and tweaked it to my preferred 4.2Ghz setup (low temps dont hate
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I have an MSi Z87 MPower Max (pretty good board imho) but the one thing that cheesed me is how the voltage OC settings are described. I currently have it set to Override with 1.150V plugged in there. I looked at J.J.s and Linus' tutorials and they described changing the voltage mode to adaptive or using offset mode but not sure how that works. Can someone help me?
 

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Can you please tell me which setting? It is essential I keep the max VCore to 1.15V :S
 

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Can you please tell me which setting? It is essential I keep the max VCore to 1.15V :S
I did.. change the vcore mode. Look at my power settings in the pics from the OP. You want to select "offset" intead of "override" for vcore mode.
 
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