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Hello dear friends.

Recently I have switch from ATI to NVIDIA and I wish to share my thoudhts/impressions with all You.

My first "new generation" ATI card was a Sapphire 5770 Vapor-X - My second was a MSI Twin frozr III 6950 - My third was a Sapphire 7950 Vapor-X OC Boost - my first NVIDIA card is a MSI 660 Ti PE/OC - and finally my last NVIDIA card is a Gigabyte 670 Windforce3x OC.

  • I can say that the best bang for the buck is the 5770 (150$ in 2010). Nowadays I can still play all games in a decent quality @ 1080p.
  • The worst was the 6950 because I thought it could mutate to a 6970 but no, and there was not much difference (comparing on the performance of the 5770).
  • The 7950 is good, can play all in ultra quality but had problems with the bios (vapor-x models) and the drivers.
  • The 660 Ti/670 are plug&oc&play, I expected less performance from 660 Ti but was very close to the 7950. (I never play with more than 2xMSAA)

My veredict is:

660 Ti @ max oc VS 7950 @ max oc are very close in performance. 7950 wins by a couple of frames.

ATI has much more "bang for the buck" but I like so much the Physx and the easy of plug & oc & play of the NVIDIA cards.

The BEST CARD EVER is the 5770.

For me NVIDIA wins by a small margin.
 

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But how can you say you notice a small difference between hd5770 and hd6950,

maybe at the time you were suffering from a BIG cpu bottleneck,

When my hd6950 died, i bought a hd5770 as temporary replacement, and i had to tune Graphic Settings from Ultra to Medium....

And we should be happy there are 2 ''manufacturers'' of graphic cards, if there was only one,
the prices would be 2 times as high
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But how can you say you notice a small difference between hd5770 and hd6950,

maybe at the time you were suffering from a BIG cpu bottleneck,

When my hd6950 died, i bought a hd5770 as temporary replacement, and i had to tune Graphic Settings from Ultra to Medium....

And we should be happy there are 2 ''manufacturers'' of graphic cards, if there was only one,
the prices would be 2 times as high
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Maybe You are right with the bottleneck or a driver issue. But my expectation in that moment was like "this card will be 14863 times better than my old 5770" and in fact it is actually BETTER but not as much as I expected.

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oc 660ti vs oc 7950 very close? really?
MAX STABLE OC I COULD GIVE TO 660 Ti @ 1.264MHz/1.752MHz - Avg. FPS on most games @ 1080p/ULTRA quality (2xMSAA) ~ 36 FPS

MAX STABLE OC I COULD GIVE TO 7950 @ 1.025MHz/1.420MHZ - Avg. FPS on most games @ 1080p/ULTRA quality (2xMSAA) ~ 41 FPS

Tested on same RIG of course. For me these results are small margin.
 

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Maybe You are right with the bottleneck or a driver issue. But my expectation in that moment was like "this card will be 14863 times better than my old 5770" and in fact it is actually BETTER but not as much as I expected.
MAX STABLE OC I COULD GIVE TO 660 Ti @ 1.264MHz/1.752MHz - Avg. FPS on most games @ 1080p/ULTRA quality (2xMSAA) ~ 36 FPS

MAX STABLE OC I COULD GIVE TO 7950 @ 1.025MHz/1.420MHZ - Avg. FPS on most games @ 1080p/ULTRA quality (2xMSAA) ~ 41 FPS

Tested on same RIG of course. For me these results are small margin.
5 fps really isn't a "small" margin. It can be the difference between playable and not.
 

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5 fps really isn't a "small" margin. It can be the difference between playable and not.
this.

thats exactly the problem. the 660ti has somehow failed. the normal 660 and 670 / 680 are overclocking
better.. and give OCed better fps/cost relations. still a 7950 iwell OCed is not beatable by a 660ti OC it how u want.
 

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Maybe You are right with the bottleneck or a driver issue. But my expectation in that moment was like "this card will be 14863 times better than my old 5770" and in fact it is actually BETTER but not as much as I expected.
MAX STABLE OC I COULD GIVE TO 660 Ti @ 1.264MHz/1.752MHz - Avg. FPS on most games @ 1080p/ULTRA quality (2xMSAA) ~ 36 FPS

MAX STABLE OC I COULD GIVE TO 7950 @ 1.025MHz/1.420MHZ - Avg. FPS on most games @ 1080p/ULTRA quality (2xMSAA) ~ 41 FPS

Tested on same RIG of course. For me these results are small margin.
41 fps vs 36 fps = 14% difference
not to mention that your OC of 1025MHz on the 7950 was terrible. Most will do 1150-1200 so another 10% perfomance boost.
 

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Yea he seemed to get extremely unlucky with his 7950, not a big deal. According to HIS experience, Nvidia was slightly better.
 

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i will always pay more for the nvidia counterpart due to my personal experiences with the two, especially the drivers.. even more especially the drivers in linux.

Getting radeon cards to work in linux outside of noobuntu has always been multiple hour/day ordeals while nvidia has always been download, run, done.

Just my opinions, don't waste your time arguing an opinion, it only makes you look foolish.
 

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Originally Posted by Carlitros View Post

Hello dear friends.

Recently I have switch from ATI to NVIDIA and I wish to share my thoudhts/impressions with all You.

My first "new generation" ATI card was a Sapphire 5770 Vapor-X - My second was a MSI Twin frozr III 6950 - My third was a Sapphire 7950 Vapor-X OC Boost - my first NVIDIA card is a MSI 660 Ti PE/OC - and finally my last NVIDIA card is a Gigabyte 670 Windforce3x OC.

  • I can say that the best bang for the buck is the 5770 (150$ in 2010). Nowadays I can still play all games in a decent quality @ 1080p.
  • The worst was the 6950 because I thought it could mutate to a 6970 but no, and there was not much difference (comparing on the performance of the 5770).
  • The 7950 is good, can play all in ultra quality but had problems with the bios (vapor-x models) and the drivers.
  • The 660 Ti/670 are plug&oc&play, I expected less performance from 660 Ti but was very close to the 7950. (I never play with more than 2xMSAA)

My veredict is:

660 Ti @ max oc VS 7950 @ max oc are very close in performance. 7950 wins by a couple of frames.

ATI has much more "bang for the buck" but I like so much the Physx and the easy of plug & oc & play of the NVIDIA cards.

The BEST CARD EVER is the 5770.

For me NVIDIA wins by a small margin.
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Say wha?
 

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well, I respect the op opinion according to his findings...He's happy and I'll leave it at that...best of all enjoy your gpu and happy gaming
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I have a GTX680, 6950, 7850, GTX570 and 560 Ti all on either SB or IB systems, and honestly they're all competent for 1080p gaming.

Single monitor, 1080p 60Hz gaming with the 570, 680, 6950 and 7850 it's honestly just on paper that anyone can complain about anything. A 560 Ti card you can see some weakness compared with those others, but even that is minor. I have a 6870 on a X6 4.0GHz machine and it's at the 560 Ti level.

5770 is not in that league.
 

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The OC on the 660 Ti is pretty decent, but sorry your 7950 is considered a dud if it can only do 1025 MHz.
My 7950 is about on par with my golden GTX 670. beat it sometimes and sometimes lose to it (at 1080p).
Also there is no way a 5770 is close to a 6950. 6950 simply wreck it, perform about double and sometimes even more according to the benchmarks.
Saying 5770 is close to 6950 is the same as saying GTS 450 is close to GTX 480. but probably you had a problem with the 6950 though.
 

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I have to agree with op, imo 5 frames in very close, yes it can make the difference in playable or not but as long as your over 30fsp I dont see it as a big deal, it may matter to some (and im sure it does) but unless i am playing at 10fps I will not consider 5fps a huge victory. Give me which ever card has better drivers, picture quality, warranty, and ease of use. And I am thankful every day for competition because without ATI/AMD and Nvidia batteling everyone would be worse off.
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I have to agree with op, imo 5 frames in very close, yes it can make the difference in playable or not but as long as your over 30fsp I dont see it as a big deal, it may matter to some (and im sure it does) but unless i am playing at 10fps I will not consider 5fps a huge victory. Give me which ever card has better drivers, picture quality, warranty, and ease of use. And I am thankful every day for competition because without ATI/AMD and Nvidia batteling everyone would be worse off.
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If it is 100 fps to 105 fps then it is very close.
But 35 fps to 40 fps can add a fortune to the gaming experience.
 

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My thoughts on MY NVIDIA vs ATI Cards.

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Personally I don't see any difference between 36 ~ 41 FPS. For You I may be blind but according to me beyond 33~36 FPS I can't notice it.

No one can say that, nowadays with the correct drivers, 660 Ti is better than 7950. But personally I prefer a less FPS but have Physx. 7950 is better all ways, no doubt.

Maybe You are right, I had bad luck with the 6950 and with my 7950 poor oc headroom.

Both ATI and NVIDIA are great. ATI wins in the bang for the buck no doubt.

New benchmark, based on average 0 to 60 FPS:

Many games @ 1080p/Ultra:

  • 6950 ~ 17 FPS
  • 7950 ~ 39 FPS
  • 660 Ti ~ 35 FPS
  • (almost but not all ultra unfortunately) 5770 ~ 12 FPS
6950 so low.. Maybe You are right, faulty card?
 

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Originally Posted by Carlitros View Post

Personally I don't see any difference between 36 ~ 41 FPS. For You I may be blind but according to me beyond 33~36 FPS I can't notice it.

No one can say that, nowadays with the correct drivers, 660 Ti is better than 7950. But personally I prefer a less FPS but have Physx. 7950 is better all ways, no doubt.

Maybe You are right, I had bad luck with the 6950 and with my 7950 poor oc headroom.

Both ATI and NVIDIA are great. ATI wins in the bang for the buck no doubt.

New benchmark, based on average 0 to 60 FPS:

Many games @ 1080p/Ultra:

  • 6950 ~ 17 FPS
  • 7950 ~ 39 FPS
  • 660 Ti ~ 35 FPS
  • (almost but not all ultra unfortunately) 5770 ~ 12 FPS
6950 so low.. Maybe You are right, faulty card?
Yes, or bad driver's.. or poor optamization... but something isn't right with those number's. I play BF3 on fultra with much higher frames that that.. I'm so picky about frames I wouldn't be able to use any of the cards you tested... and the 7950 is faster than my 6970 TOXIC.
 

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i really like to know. do you have these games? oc your 660ti all you want.







7950 stock but my chip is oc'ed to 4.5GHz.

edit: here is my bf3MP caspian 64-man server 1080 ultra with 4msaa 7950 stock

 
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