Need Help overclocking 13700k

stahlhart · 2022-11-29T07:00:30-0500

boraokur44 said:
Asus z690 plus D4

Assuming that this is your manual:

PRIME_PROART_TUF_GAMING_Intel_600_Series_BIOS_EM_WEB_EN.pdf (asus.com)

It looks like the relevant settings start on page 17 -- screen shots from my build below; we don't have the same board, but the BIOS settings appear to be mostly similar:

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CPU power management is working well here.

boraokur44 · 2022-11-29T09:24:59-0500

Thank you for the answer stahlhart. I'm sorry to forget to say my mobo's model. yes it is tuf z690 d4.

I think I need to enable c-state. It is currently on auto.
Also, what should I do about Package c state limit? you defined it as 8.
What difference would it make if I set this value to 6.7 or 8?

stahlhart · 2022-11-29T14:57:45-0500

boraokur44 said:
Thank you for the answer stahlhart. I'm sorry to forget to say my mobo's model. yes it is tuf z690 d4.

I think I need to enable c-state. It is currently on auto.
Also, what should I do about Package c state limit? you defined it as 8.
What difference would it make if I set this value to 6.7 or 8?

To be honest, I just chose 8 arbitrarily after seeing in in an overclocking guide in my travels that I can no longer remember now. There are folks here who know way more about this than I do, but I think C1E is about where you get started with the adaptive power management behavior.

A Minimum Complete Tutorial of CPU Power Management, C-states and P-states

A summary of how CPU saves power.

metebalci.com

I'm not sure if C6, C7 or C8 difference would have any bearing on performance -- I just more or less set it to 8 and forgot about it, because everything seems to be working correctly here and I'm not noticing any degradation in performance.

boraokur44 · 2022-11-30T02:37:50-0500

stahlhart said:
To be honest, I just chose 8 arbitrarily after seeing in in an overclocking guide in my travels that I can no longer remember now. There are folks here who know way more about this than I do, but I think C1E is about where you get started with the adaptive power management behavior.

A Minimum Complete Tutorial of CPU Power Management, C-states and P-states

A summary of how CPU saves power.

metebalci.com

I'm not sure if C6, C7 or C8 difference would have any bearing on performance -- I just more or less set it to 8 and forgot about it, because everything seems to be working correctly here and I'm not noticing any degradation in performance.

Thank you very much for your suggestions mate. It really worked. power saving dropped to 17watts when idle. Also my cpu frequency speed dropped to 800 at idle, not 5.3 all the time. Thank you so much again for your suggestion.

imanoobie · 2022-12-23T00:31:44-0500

DBCooper1 said:
I'm using adaptive voltage with a negative offset, core ratio of (58x2,57x4,56x6,55x8), 50 ring, and 43 e-core. I hit a wall going above 5800mhz. I had to increase the voltage substantially in order to pass geekbench 5 above 5800mhz and it really wasn't worth it for me. This is my gaming setup...

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help doing this on my msi board ?

zgigi666999 · 2022-12-24T20:43:46-0500

gerardfraser said:
What do you actually want to do play PC games or production work.

SIMPLE BIOS SETTINGS anyone can try in a couple clicks in BIOS
Set XMP for Ram
Set + Offset mode sign
CPU Core Voltage Offset (0.050mV)This adds CPU voltage for stability and heat control. Recommend testing your CPU with values you want to use to hit high CPU Clocks and keep heat under control with stability.
Set performance core ratio by core usage to achieve 6100 Mhz P -core single on light loads 5600 Mhz P-core all core on heavy work loads
1-Core Ratio Limit - 61
2-Core Ratio Limit - 61
3-Core Ratio Limit - 60
4-Core Ratio Limit - 59
5-Core Ratio Limit - 58
6-Core Ratio Limit - 57
7-Core Ratio Limit - 56
8-Core Ratio Limit - 56
4400 Mhz E-core Sync all cores
4800 Mhz Ring

Temp 90°C
Single-2379
Multi- 32611

Reasonable PC Gaming clocks for less heat

SIMPLE BIOS SETTINGS anyone can try in a couple clicks in BIOS
Set XMP for Ram
Set - Offset mode sign
CPU Core Voltage Offset (0.050mV)This reduces CPU voltage for heat control. Recommend testing your CPU with values you want to use for all core CPU Clocks and keep heat under control with stability.

Set performance core ratio by core usage to achieve 5500Mhz P -core all core on heavy work loads,PC Gaming
1-Core Ratio Limit - 55
2-Core Ratio Limit - 55
3-Core Ratio Limit - 55
4-Core Ratio Limit - 55
5-Core Ratio Limit - 55
6-Core Ratio Limit - 55
7-Core Ratio Limit - 55
8-Core Ratio Limit - 55
4400 Mhz E-core Sync all cores
4800 Mhz Ring

What motherboard you are using I don’t have sync all core on my z690 aorus master

gerardfraser · 2022-12-25T16:29:11-0500

zgigi666999 said:
What motherboard you are using I don’t have sync all core on my z690 aorus master

Not trying to be a nut here,people with Gigabyte motherboards seem to get messed up for some reason.I am no overclocker or anything but I am reasonable sure all motherboards have a description on what things do.

You 100% have and can sync all cores on z690 Aorus Master but that is not what I posted. I posted the settings using ASUS Motherboard. I posted Core Ratio limits,maybe what I posted is confusing AF I am really not sure if it is or not.

BIOS Setting sync cores on z690 Aorus Master would be this
Performance CPU Clock Ratio-
Item Description in BIOS
Adjusting CPU Clock Ratio will affect the CPU frequency,temperatures and voltage requirements

What I posted for simple overclock and I think this is what your saying you do not have On Gigabyte z690 Aorus Master it would look like this

Enter the Advanced Mode and stay in the Tweaker menu
Set Enhanced Multi-Core Performance to Disabled
Enter the Advanced CPU Settings submenu
- Set Active Turbo Ratios to Manual-set whatever numbers you want
  - Set Turbo Ratio (1 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (2 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (3 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (4 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (5 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (6 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (7 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (8 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (1 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (2 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (3 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (4 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (5 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (6 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (7 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (8 E-Core Active) to 44

So if this is not what you ment,let me know I will try to help some more.I live in Kitchener ,if your close you can bring you PC over and I can try to help with your setting

zgigi666999 · 2022-12-25T16:51:46-0500

gerardfraser said:
Not trying to be a nut here,people with Gigabyte motherboards seem to get messed up for some reason.I am no overclocker or anything but I am reasonable sure all motherboards have a description on what things do.

You 100% have and can sync all cores on z690 Aorus Master but that is not what I posted. I posted the settings using ASUS Motherboard. I posted Core Ratio limits,maybe what I posted is confusing AF I am really not sure if it is or not.

BIOS Setting sync cores on z690 Aorus Master would be this
Performance CPU Clock Ratio-
Item Description in BIOS
Adjusting CPU Clock Ratio will affect the CPU frequency,temperatures and voltage requirements

What I posted for simple overclock and I think this is what your saying you do not have On Gigabyte z690 Aorus Master it would look like this

Enter the Advanced Mode and stay in the Tweaker menu

Set Enhanced Multi-Core Performance to Disabled

Enter the Advanced CPU Settings submenu

Set Active Turbo Ratios to Manual-set whatever numbers you want

Set Turbo Ratio (1 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (2 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (3 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (4 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (5 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (6 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (7 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (8 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (1 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (2 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (3 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (4 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (5 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (6 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (7 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (8 E-Core Active) to 44

So if this is not what you ment,let me know I will try to help some more.I live in Kitchener ,if your close you can bring you PC over and I can try to help with your setting

add me to discord if you can QuickPwn#0307 thanks in advanced

gerardfraser · 2022-12-25T17:24:28-0500

zgigi666999 said:
add me to discord if you can QuickPwn#0307 thanks in advanced

Sorry man not using discord
Your motherboard has a
PC Gaming mode
A performance mode
and last two BIOS has Add "Instant 6GHz" profile in CPU upgrade option (supports i9-13900K/KF and i7-13700K/KF)
any of these should be good enough on Gigabyte motherboard,you do not have to do anything just press a button

zgigi666999 · 2022-12-25T17:59:30-0500

gerardfraser said:
Sorry man not using discord
Your motherboard has a
PC Gaming mode
A performance mode
and last two BIOS has Add "Instant 6GHz" profile in CPU upgrade option (supports i9-13900K/KF and i7-13700K/KF)
any of these should be good enough on Gigabyte motherboard,you do not have to do anything just press a button

ok even if i do that when i do a cinebench the score is dog **** i get like 26000k points and if i use the 6ghz i never get anything at all

gerardfraser · 2022-12-25T19:06:48-0500

zgigi666999 said:
ok even if i do that when i do a cinebench the score is dog **** i get like 26000k points and if i use the 6ghz i never get anything at all

OK what score would you think is acceptable in Cinebench.
Do you have a 360MM AIO that can handle at least 250Watts from the CPU.

If you do this is how to set your motherboard with Ring on Auto. Pick any XMP Profile 3 is the highest on your motherboard I think.

These settings with good cooling will get you 31000+ in Cinebench.

Enter the Advanced Mode and stay in the Tweaker menu
Set Enhanced Multi-Core Performance to Disabled
Enter the Advanced CPU Settings submenu
- Set Active Turbo Ratios to Manual-set whatever numbers you want
  - Set Turbo Ratio (1 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (2 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (3 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (4 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (5 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (6 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (7 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (8 P-Core Active) to 55
  - Set Turbo Ratio (1 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (2 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (3 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (4 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (5 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (6 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (7 E-Core Active) to 44
  - Set Turbo Ratio (8 E-Core Active) to 44

jayfresh1271 · 2022-12-26T11:54:34-0500

gerardfraser said:
OK what score would you think is acceptable in Cinebench.
Do you have a 360MM AIO that can handle at least 250Watts from the CPU.

If you do this is how to set your motherboard with Ring on Auto. Pick any XMP Profile 3 is the highest on your motherboard I think.

These settings with good cooling will get you 31000+ in Cinebench.

Enter the Advanced Mode and stay in the Tweaker menu

Set Enhanced Multi-Core Performance to Disabled

Enter the Advanced CPU Settings submenu

Set Active Turbo Ratios to Manual-set whatever numbers you want

Set Turbo Ratio (1 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (2 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (3 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (4 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (5 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (6 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (7 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (8 P-Core Active) to 55

Set Turbo Ratio (1 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (2 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (3 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (4 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (5 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (6 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (7 E-Core Active) to 44

Set Turbo Ratio (8 E-Core Active) to 44

do we keep c state enable or disable? or everything on auto n just a negetive offset in voltage ?

gerardfraser · 2022-12-26T14:20:36-0500

jayfresh1271 said:
do we keep c state enable or disable? or everything on auto n just a negetive offset in voltage ?

That is just a personal choice on if you want the CPU clocks to drop to like 800Mhz.It really does not matter unless you have crashing in lets say in idle or surfing the web,youtube.I am just showing what has worked for me on different motherboards,cpu's over the years.
What I showed was everything auto with negative offset for 5500Mhz and positive offset for higher boost clocks.Trying to keep it simple as possible.

jayfresh1271 · 2022-12-26T14:33:14-0500

gerardfraser said:
That is just a personal choice on if you want the CPU clocks to drop to like 800Mhz.It really does not matter unless you have crashing in lets say in idle or surfing the web,youtube.I am just showing what has worked for me on different motherboards,cpu's over the years.
What I showed was everything auto with negative offset for 5500Mhz and positive offset for higher boost clocks.Trying to keep it simple as possible.

i try the 55 but i keep crashing on cinebenchr23 n if i get it to 54 n 44on ecores my temps reach 93c if i do a 30 mins stabilty test on r23 what i did was xmp1 n Enhanced Multi-Core Performance to Disabled n Set Active Turbo Ratios to Manual so pcores are at 54 n ecores at 44 can not get the right voltage or tweak to keep it cool when running a stability test that why i ask n i am on a AORUS 790 ELITE AX REV 1.0 so things look different from my 10900k msi board ialso try pl1 pl2 but then the cpu down clocks

gerardfraser · 2022-12-26T16:24:10-0500

jayfresh1271 said:
i try the 55 but i keep crashing on cinebenchr23 n if i get it to 54 n 44on ecores my temps reach 93c if i do a 30 mins stabilty test on r23 what i did was xmp1 n Enhanced Multi-Core Performance to Disabled n Set Active Turbo Ratios to Manual so pcores are at 54 n ecores at 44 can not get the right voltage or tweak to keep it cool when running a stability test that why i ask n i am on a AORUS 790 ELITE AX REV 1.0 so things look different from my 10900k msi board ialso try pl1 pl2 but then the cpu down clocks

Well 54/44 is still good and will make no difference from default clocks or running 60/44. You will get same FPS in PC Gaming at higher resolution with your RTX 4080. Your iCUE H150i ELITE LCD Display Liquid CPU Cooler is better than mine MSI MAG Core Liquid 360R V2 with your motherboard Z790 AORUS ELITE AX and 13700K your should be able to run that combination at 1.23v-1.25v under full cinebench load at under 90℃.

You have awesome rig and since it has been over a month that you made the thread then, you just got a normal 13700K and your 93℃ and 54/44 is 100% fine,there is no magic and you said you mostly PC Game then stop running Cinebench, your not missing out on anything. Hell I can run my 13700KF with 6200Mhz boost PC Gaming but I actually play with 5500Mhz all core 95% of the time.It really makes no difference in FPS.

Another thing you said you want to control temperatures so I suggest the power limit thing. It will 100% downclock if using these settings.If you tried them with Cinebench I be suprised if your CPU would run at 2000Mhz.If your PC Gaming at the CPU clocks mention,then these limits would be 100% fine and your CPU should never get hot or what you perceive as hot.
PL1 Power Limit-125
PL2 Power Limit-225

But to give you some inspiration to try some more.Big numbers for e-peen,not always better 😁
13700Kf 6200Mhz Boost PC Gaming

mlnheadone · 2023-01-04T07:22:50-0500

Not trying to prove you wrong. Asking in all seriousness.
I purchased and built my 13700K system in the first week of Dec. I got this 13700K. MSI Tomahawk Z790, Corsair 3600mhz DDR4 2 16GB sticks, MSI Trio X 6800XT. 980Pro 1Tb. I opted for a MicroCenter brand 360AIO, It's nice and very quiet, seems as good as my Fractal Design I've used for the last year.
Anyways I got my system together back then. Everything looked good, gaming great and temps were average 68C Pcore and Ecores were 58C or so.
Then when going to R23 I got a 32500 score on a single run. Temps were about the same as gaming in 4k. Ran a 10 minute loop and found 3 cores were throttling "after the 3rd run of the loop."
I took the core voltage from 1.46V or something like that "default setting" for my board. Dropped it to 1.25V. That was the lowest stable Voltage.
That dropped the temps to 93C-95C across all of the Pcores in a 10 minute loop. Gaming seems to be unaffected, only perhaps 3C drop. I can live with these temps, in my main usage I'll never hit 80C.
What are your thoughts. Do your way, or just keep what I've got? With my current "default" settings in bios other than the 1.25V core voltage I am still getting 31600 single run. Like you say 4k gaming is never gonna be a problem with what I got, but am I stressing the processor out by not optimizing the other bios settings?
Pcores 2, 5, and 6 have been the hottest, also the ones that throttled on 1.46V default.

imanoobie · 2023-01-04T07:29:09-0500

mlnheadone said:
Not trying to prove you wrong. Asking in all seriousness.
I purchased and built my 13700K system in the first week of Dec. I got this 13700K. MSI Tomahawk Z790, Corsair 3600mhz DDR4 2 16GB sticks, MSI Trio X 6800XT. 980Pro 1Tb. I opted for a MicroCenter brand 360AIO, It's nice and very quiet, seems as good as my Fractal Design I've used for the last year.
Anyways I got my system together back then. Everything looked good, gaming great and temps were average 68C Pcore and Ecores were 58C or so.
Then when going to R23 I got a 32500 score on a single run. Temps were about the same as gaming in 4k. Ran a 10 minute loop and found 3 cores were throttling "after the 3rd run of the loop."
I took the core voltage from 1.46V or something like that "default setting" for my board. Dropped it to 1.25V. That was the lowest stable Voltage.
That dropped the temps to 93C-95C across all of the Pcores in a 10 minute loop. Gaming seems to be unaffected, only perhaps 3C drop. I can live with these temps, in my main usage I'll never hit 80C.
What are your thoughts. Do your way, or just keep what I've got? With my current "default" settings in bios other than the 1.25V core voltage I am still getting 31600 single run. Like you say 4k gaming is never gonna be a problem with what I got, but am I stressing the processor out by not optimizing the other bios settings?
Pcores 2, 5, and 6 have been the hottest, also the ones that throttled on 1.46V default.

my 13700kf on stock clocks only gets 30700r23 multi u have a good chip or did you overclock ?

evgen.sava.3195 · 2023-01-14T09:16:07-0500

Hi, help please, I set the multiplier to 55 p cores doing aida64 fpu stress test, and hwinfo shows p cores 53 as default that I need to enable or disable, bios f3l, thanks.avx 0

gerardfraser · 2023-01-14T12:32:00-0500

13700KF Overclock 69℃ Cinebench Run With Simple Undervolt Plus DDR5 5600 Simple Overclock to 6400.
5400Mhz P-Core
4400Mhz E-Core Overclock
DDR5 Ram- CORSAIR Vengeance 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 5600MHz C36 (CMK32GX5M2B5600C36)
CPU Cooler- MSI MAG Core Liquid 360R V2

evgen.sava.3195 · 2023-01-14T12:56:26-0500

gerardfraser said:
13700KF Разгон 69℃ Cinebench Run с Simple Undervolt Plus DDR5 5600 Простой разгон до 6400.
5400 МГц P-ядро
Разгон E-Core до 4400 МГц
Оперативная память DDR5 — CORSAIR Vengeance 32 ГБ (2x16 ГБ) DDR5 5600 МГц C36 (CMK32GX5M2B5600C36)
Процессорный кулер — MSI MAG Core Liquid 360R V2
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gerardfraser said:
13700KF Overclock 69℃ Cinebench Run With Simple Undervolt Plus DDR5 5600 Simple Overclock to 6400.
5400Mhz P-Core
4400Mhz E-Core Overclock
DDR5 Ram- CORSAIR Vengeance 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 5600MHz C36 (CMK32GX5M2B5600C36)
CPU Cooler- MSI MAG Core Liquid 360R V2

Thanks for the answer, but I have a gigabyte z790 aorus elite ax and I set the multiplier to 55, avx 0, v cor 1.3v, tvb disable, I run the fpu aida64 test, but the board stubbornly reduces it to 5.3, I don’t know what to enable or disable seems to have tried everything?

Need Help overclocking 13700k

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