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Need oppinion on watercooling and using a tec

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As you can see from my signature my temps are way to high.
I'm looking to get this. What do you think my temps will be on the regular block vs's the tec? I would like to hit 3.6ghz. The most important question, this tec at full power with my ambient being 22C-35C in my room, do you think I'll start forming condensation?

• $58(1) Swiftech Apogee GTZ (see options above) or
$160 (1)Swiftech MCW6500-T Thermoelectric Waterblock (1/2", Intel Socket 775)
• $75(1) Laing D5 Basic/Swiftech MCP655-B Inline 12V DC Pump
• $54(1) Swiftech MCR320-QP Triple 120mm Radiator (w/fittings)
• $18 (3) Yate Loon D12SL-12, D12SM-12, or D12SH-12 120mm x 25mm Fans
• $8.5(10') 7/16" ID (5/8" OD) Masterkleer Tubing
• $40 (1) EK-RES150 Rev.2 Multi-Option Reservoir
• $15 (15) Stainless Steel Worm-Drive Hose Clamps
• $3 (1 bottle) Petra'sTech PT_Nuke -PHN Biocide
• $5 (2) 1/2" OD, G1/4 thread Bits Power "Fat Boy" Fittings (for pump top)
• $90 (1) Koolance CTR-CD10BK Pump & Fan Speed Controller
• $4 (1) 4-Fan Wiring Harness, 3-Pin
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Under load, your temps with the regular watercooling should be somewhere in the mid 40's to the mid 50's. Nothing to worry about. I am not particularly qualified to speak on the TEC issue, but I do know that it will depend on things like the dew point in your area.
Do you think the radiator and fan is overkill?

Can I use nail polish to seal from moisture one inch around the cpu instead of the dielectric grease if I go with the tec?

If the temps are estimated for this between 40 and 55C, will this tec bring me down to room temperature? Are there automated voltage/temp controllers out there that can regulate the power going into the tec?
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As you can see from my signature my temps are way to high.
I'm looking to get this. What do you think my temps will be on the regular block vs's the tec? I would like to hit 3.6ghz. The most important question, this tec at full power with my ambient being 22C-35C in my room, do you think I'll start forming condensation?

• $58(1) Swiftech Apogee GTZ (see options above) or
$160 (1)Swiftech MCW6500-T Thermoelectric Waterblock (1/2", Intel Socket 775)
• $75(1) Laing D5 Basic/Swiftech MCP655-B Inline 12V DC Pump
• $54(1) Swiftech MCR320-QP Triple 120mm Radiator (w/fittings)
• $18 (3) Yate Loon D12SL-12, D12SM-12, or D12SH-12 120mm x 25mm Fans
• $8.5(10') 7/16" ID (5/8" OD) Masterkleer Tubing
• $40 (1) EK-RES150 Rev.2 Multi-Option Reservoir
• $15 (15) Stainless Steel Worm-Drive Hose Clamps
• $3 (1 bottle) Petra'sTech PT_Nuke -PHN Biocide
• $5 (2) 1/2" OD, G1/4 thread Bits Power "Fat Boy" Fittings (for pump top)
• $90 (1) Koolance CTR-CD10BK Pump & Fan Speed Controller
• $4 (1) 4-Fan Wiring Harness, 3-Pin


Well now i HAVE to post here now dont i


i have a Q6600 which is running at 3600 and it's TEC cooled .. i have no problem running it stable at 3800 under the TEC @ at 4200 i blew up my motherboard


I made this TEC block to take a 62mm TEC which is bigger and more powerful than the 6500 could EVER fit. my block is also compatible with 1366 socket CPUS

HERE are my temps running at 3600 after 45 minutes of running prime ( i know the pic says @ 2400 but it's running at 3600)

Also keep in mind 11,4c is as low as my core temps will read


And here are some pic of my block



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Oh and keep in mind any time you are using TECs you're likely to see condensation. It's just a fact of subambient cooling, actually TECs are the worst since they can rapidly change from positive to negative temperatures and vice versa quite quickly with the changes in load. So you will need to do condensation proofing.
yip as soon as you say TEC then you will be going sub ambient .. and to be honest that is the whole point of using TEC's, so you can go sub ambient !
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yip as soon as you say TEC then you will be going sub ambient .. and to be honest that is the whole point of using TEC's, so you can go sub ambient !

You've convinced me to stick with watercooling.
Do you guys have any recomendations, additions, changes you would make to that list I compiled? Like a better fan controller that I can set the points of fan speed. This one starts at 35C at 10% fan power and moves up to slowly.

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i have a Q6600 which is running at 3600 and it's TEC cooled .. i have no problem running it stable at 3800 under the TEC @ at 4200 i blew up my motherboard


How did you blow it up?
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You've convinced me to stick with watercooling.
Do you guys have any recomendations, additions, changes you would make to that list I compiled? Like a better fan controller that I can set the points of fan speed. This one starts at 35C at 10% fan power and moves up to slowly.

How did you blow it up?
The motherboard couldn't handle the current at 1.7v @ 4200mhz

If your thinking about going TEC then you'd need another psu .. a would recommend a 15 volt 600watt ish meanwell .. and you'd need more radiator . ie two of them more or A better ONE like a monsta or GTX 480
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The motherboard couldn't handle the current at 1.7v @ 4200mhz

If your thinking about going TEC then you'd need another psu .. a would recommend a 15 volt 600watt ish meanwell .. and you'd need more radiator . ie two of them more or A better ONE like a monsta or GTX 480

I just decided to get this...


It's actually cheaper than Petra's coolkit extreme after shipping and tax.

I'm paying $379 including tax and shipping and will be able to overclock my q6600 to 5ghz hopefully. I have an old kolance original exos that I can slap on my OC'ed ati 4870 if I want to push my system further. With no hot air from the cpu blowing over my p45 platinum's northbridge heatsink, and having a fan right on top of it, it should also keep my northbridge much cooler for even better overclocks.

The best thing of all is that this kit doesn't require thermal grease, only insulation because it comes with a resistive heater device that sticks to the back of the motherboard to keep things warm and water free.
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I don't think that is going to work. It says max stable load is 120w, a Q6600 at 3.2 or 3.4GHz is probably about 120w.
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I don't think that is going to work. It says max stable load is 120w, a Q6600 at 3.2 or 3.4GHz is probably about 120w.

http://skinneelabs.com/Phase/OCZ/CryoZ/CryoZ.html

They tested on an i7 920 which pushes more than 250W of heat!

With 100% BOINC load on 8 threads running 4.2GHz with 1.2875V.

The temperature on the cpu dies are inacurate close to 0C but they were hovering between -9C and 15C. So it was probably lower than that with the copper head being at -53C.
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I don't think that is going to work. It says max stable load is 120w, a Q6600 at 3.2 or 3.4GHz is probably about 120w.

you know this and other similar projects do make me wounder if the cpu calculators are right when i comes to i7's
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http://skinneelabs.com/Phase/OCZ/CryoZ/CryoZ.html

They tested on an i7 920 which pushes more than 250W of heat!

With 100% BOINC load on 8 threads running 4.2GHz with 1.2875V.

The temperature on the cpu dies are inacurate close to 0C but they were hovering between -9C and 15C. So it was probably lower than that with the copper head being at -53C.

I may have been wrong about this unit. I was just told by OCZ that there's no warranty whatsoever on this product.

Here's the dialog...just in case they decided to delete it. I will keep everyone up to date on this. If there's a correction, I will also correct it here. If they confirm the lack of warranty, I will be a post whore on every board that mentions the ocz cryo unit spreading the correct information.

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*This product does not come with warranty and it is sold as is. ALL SALES ARE FINAL WITH NO EXCEPTIONS. All units are hand tested before purchase. IN STORE PICK UP ONLY

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http://gear.ocztechnology.com/produc...o_Z/index.html

If you bought the unit from a retailer may want to check with them.

Wait a minute...I thought this was for the refurbished units no warranty and that the regular units came with a one year warranty. Many manufacturers will sell refurbished items with no warranty but no one in their right mind would purchase an item from a retailer with non warranty. This is why I bought it from a retailer, instead of purchasign a refurbished item from you for $200 less.

I think you should speak to a supervisor and clarify the lack of warranty.

One of your own people even said there's a warranty. A certain [email protected] stated on 04-09-2008 at 07:12 PM http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=183901 that there's a one year warranty on the product. I don't want to have to correct about 17 boards with the updated information that the warranty stated by [email protected] was blatantly false and was lied to by OCZ.

Here's an example of a board spreading the info that there's a one year warranty just 2 days after [email protected] stated it on xtremesystems.com
http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...se-change.html

Your manual even mentions a warranty.
"In no event shall OCZ Technology be liable for any damage arising, directly or
indirectly, from the use of the information contained in this manual including
damages arising from inaccuracies, omissions or errors, nor shall OCZ
Technology be liable for any damage arising directly or indirectly from the use
of the Cryo-Z unit beyond the warranty of the Cryo-Z unit proper."

What does "beyond the warranty of the cryo-z unit proper" mean then?
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I seem to remember when this first came on the market there was a rush of people saying they were going to order and the an equal rush of dismayed peeps saying it was collection only as far as I know it always has been. The problem with the warranty also hasn't changed thats why this unit just did not take off for a while obviously with skinee's lab review it is all coming around again.....
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