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A little while ago, a friend of mine asked me to help him build a computer for himself. After it was done, he was very impressed with it, as was his cousin. Now his cousin has asked me to build him one for everyday computing needs. His conditions are as follows:<br><br>
-Under $1000 with LCD monitor included in price<br>
-TV tuner (can be seperate or ATI AIW)<br>
-around 250GB hard drive space<br>
-Athlon X2 4200+ or proc around that speed<br>
-not for games, maybe light gaming<br><br>
I'm coming up with a build right now. I think I can do pretty well, but I want some input from you guys too. The comp he was going to get was <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16883107092" target="_blank">this</a>. I told him I can do better than that, and I know I can for that price. I'm sure you guys can too, now prove it to me!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin">
 

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Alright, here's what I have so far:<br><br>
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2.0GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103735" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103735</a><br>
$169.00<br><br>
Mobo: Foxconn K8M890M2MA-RS2H Socket AM2 VIA K8M890 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813186100" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186100</a><br>
$52.99<br><br>
GFX card: XFX PVT72GWANG Geforce 7300GS 256MB Onboard (512MB TurboCache Supported) 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Low Profile Video Card<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150128" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150128</a><br>
$69.99<br><br>
TV tuner: KWORLD VS-LTV7131R(RF W/FM) PCI Interface TV Tuner Card<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815100129" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815100129</a><br>
$27.89<br><br>
RAM: CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) System Memory<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145525" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145525</a><br>
$109.99<br><br>
HDD: Western Digital Caviar SE WD2500JS 250GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144417" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144417</a><br>
$68.99<br><br>
PSU: Thermaltake Silent PurePower TT-420AD(DUAL FAN) ATX 420W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CSA, TUV, CE<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153006" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153006</a><br>
$39.99<br><br>
Case: RAIDMAX Astro ATX-268WB Black 0.7mm Japanese SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811156018" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811156018</a><br>
$29.99<br><br>
Sound: Creative Sound Blaster Live! 24bit 70SB041000000 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102176" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16829102176</a><br>
$25.99<br><br>
DVD Drive: SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache E-IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827151133" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151133</a><br>
$28.99<br><br>
OS: Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 w/SP2B - OEM<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116049" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116049</a><br>
$109.99<br><br>
Monitor: ViewSonic VA702b Black 17" 12ms LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 500:1<br>
Link: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116362" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824116362</a><br>
$179.99<br><br>
The things that cannot change:<br><br>
-OS<br>
-Case<br>
-TV Tuner (the fact that there will be one. the card itslf can change)<br>
-Monitor (maybe, that's hard to beat for the price on a 17" LCD)<br><br>
Everything else is completely open for suggestion.<br><br>
TOTAL: $913.79<br><br>
That is lower than the price of the other comp and it comes with an LCD!<br>
I seriously want some input here though guys. I have never made an AM2 build, and I know nothing about DDR2. Are my selections okay?
 

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mATX? Does he plan to overclock? Im guessing no. Mgiht be tight with an mATX board and 2 cards.
 

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All of the cards are low profile and that board was the cheapest one I could find with a good rating and name brand. Can you suggest a better one please?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">All of the cards are low profile and that board was the cheapest one I could find with a good rating and name brand. Can you suggest a better one please?</div>

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</div>For $10 more he could go with the EPoX EP-MF4-J3 Socket AM2 nForce4 4x ATX mobo <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813123013" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813123013</a><br />
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I would also suggest changing the tv tuner card. Reading the reviews, it doesn't seem like an apealing card. I use a compro VideoMate pvr tv tuner card. Comes with a good remote. Picture quality is pretty good. Software is SLIGHTLY buggy but has lots of features. retails for about $30. I bought mine locally. GREAT DEAL. If you can find it. I recommend it. <br />
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*EDIT* Also, I would not suggest windows xp media center edition, as most cheap software encoding tv tuner cards do not have compatible Windows media center Drivers (including the one you listed) and do not work with the OS. If you wish to use Windows media center you will most likely have to use a more expensive hardware encoder tv tuner device.
 
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Thanks for telling me about that TV tuner, that would have been bad if I bought it. I'll ask him if he needs MCE. If he does, he'll have to sacrifice some more cash to get a hardware encoded TV Tuner. Does your's work with MCE?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Thanks for telling me about that TV tuner, that would have been bad if I bought it. I'll ask him if he needs MCE. If he does, he'll have to sacrifice some more cash to get a hardware encoded TV Tuner. Does your's work with MCE?</div>

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</div>No, it doesn't. but since i don't have mce <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick out tounge caps" class="inlineimg" /> it doesn't bother me all that much. There are some good third party software that is very impressive, such as beyondtv but that's an extra $70. So if your looking for price and quality, you'd prolly be better off getting a more expensive card and mce since you will have to pay for an operating system anyway.<br />
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If you want a good budget tv tuner that will work with MCE I would suggest the Hauppage Win-TV-PVR-150MCE <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815116633</a><br />
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That would be your best bet. Good luck.
 

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Ok so I gave a shot at building one but it comes up a lil more expensive then the hp one you posted. You might be able to find a way to get it a lil cheaper but I managed to keep the same cpu you wanted, compatible mce05 tv tuner with a copy of mce2005 and an 8ms response time 17" lcd<br />
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AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Windsor 2.2GHz Socket AM2 Dual Core Processor Model ADA4200CUBOX - Retail<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103747" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103747</a><br />
$182.00<br />
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MSI K9N Neo-F Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 550 MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813130050" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130050</a><br />
$73.99<br />
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Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822144701" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144701</a><br />
$77.99<br />
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G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231081" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231081</a><br />
$199.99<br />
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SPARKLE ATX-400PN-B204 ATX 12V 2.0 400W Power Supply - OEM<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817103013" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103013</a><br />
$43.99<br />
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SAPPHIRE 100119L Radeon X550 256MB DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814102565" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102565</a><br />
$51.99<br />
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Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815116633</a><br />
$59.99<br />
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COOLMAX CS-480-Black W/O PSU Black Steel/Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811212033" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811212033</a><br />
$29.99 -$5.00 Instant<br />
$24.99<br />
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EVERCOOL SFF-12 120mm Ever Lubricate bearing type (Long life bearing) Case Cooling Fan - Retail<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835119035" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835119035</a><br />
$9.99<br />
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ViewSonic VE710B Black 17" 8ms LCD Monitor - Retail<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16824116314" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824116314</a><br />
$169.99<br />
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Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 w/SP2B - OEM<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16832116049" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116049</a><br />
$109.99<br />
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You might be able to find a way to cut corners a lil bit. I included a 120mm case fan for the front since the case only has one for the rear.
 

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Hey, thanks for all the help exad. I like that build a lot more than the one I designed. I may cut back the 4200+ to a 3800+ because in day to day computing, he wouldn never need the extra 200MHz. That will about counter the price of a DVD drive, which you left out by accident. Also, since this is not a gaming rig, do you think 1GB of RAM would suffice? He could save $100 that way. Also, I don't know what the difference is between the hard drive you chose and the one I chose, but they seem the same and the one I found is $10 less, so I'll jsut go with that. One last thing too, he said he wanted a side window in the case, so I think the Raidmax one will be better given the fact that it does not cost much more. With all that taken into consideration, it will probably be just under $1000. Thanks exad, you've been extremely helpful.
 

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How about this monitor:<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16824009091" target="_blank">Acer AL1916WAbd Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail</a> $184.99
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Hey, thanks for all the help exad. I like that build a lot more than the one I designed. I may cut back the 4200+ to a 3800+ because in day to day computing, he wouldn never need the extra 200MHz. That will about counter the price of a DVD drive, which you left out by accident. Also, since this is not a gaming rig, do you think 1GB of RAM would suffice? He could save $100 that way. Also, I don't know what the difference is between the hard drive you chose and the one I chose, but they seem the same and the one I found is $10 less, so I'll jsut go with that. One last thing too, he said he wanted a side window in the case, so I think the Raidmax one will be better given the fact that it does not cost much more. With all that taken into consideration, it will probably be just under $1000. Thanks exad, you've been extremely helpful.</div>

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I think a gig of ram is enough, I was mostly trying to keep the specs around the same as the hp computer you showed. If you do get 1gig, if he doesn't plan on upgrading to 2gigs you should try and get 2x 512mb in DC, it will increase performance aswell. Sorry I forgot the dvd drive. <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick out tounge caps" class="inlineimg" /> As for the Hard drive, the one I selected has 16mb cache instead of 8mb which helps when u have a larger Hard drive.<br />
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I hope everything goes well! Glad I could help!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">How about this monitor:<br><a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16824009091" target="_blank">Acer AL1916WAbd Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail</a> $184.99</div>
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That's a great deal, but he said 17" specifically. I actually can't believe how cheap that is! I bought my 8ms 19" for over $300 last november, man how prices change!
 

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my guess is that he mentioned 17" merely because of the price.. I could be wrong though <img src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
 
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