[s1rrah]

CPU: i9 13900K / SP 104 @ 58p/46e
Motherboard: Asus Z690-E Strix Gaming
RAM: Corsair Dom Plat DDR5 6000mhz CL36 @ 6400mhz CL36
Cooling: Corsair H115i XT Pro 280mm AIO (PUSH/PULL INTAKE)

It took about a week (quicker than past new CPUs) but happy and relieved to have finally worked out a daily tuning that works quite well.

I'm not really sure how all the SP rating and Cooler rating thing works but posting that BIOS data here as well as my best Cinebench R23 and XTU Benchmark scores which I simply use as a litmus test of sorts before actually using the machine daily and with at least a degree of confidence in stability.

I no longer use XTU and have things properly setup in the MB BIOS but thought others might find the following data useful as their own 13900K starting point; I had never used XTU before this 13900K CPU but using the XTU app as a starting point, along with existing top ranked XTU 13900K user profiles was central to getting things set up in BIOS so thought I'd list all the XTU data here first as it might be useful to others:

XTU Profile (YMMV) - The XTU profile linked here is what XTU reads from my bios settings as I'm currently running the system with BIOS level settings.

And here are more hardware/OC settings info that other users might find useful; this is just system hardware specifics and all of the overclock settings as reported by XTU and which I have configured in my MB BIOS:

XTU Hardware Info / XTU Settings Info

...

Cinebench R23: 43043 pts



(10 min loops will hit ~93C so I'll most likely be delidding eventually as I have no interest in changing coolers)


XTU Benchmark: 14261 marks




BIOS DATA (fwiw); How does the cooler rating work, anyway? Higher better? Such voodoo is new to me...




Anyway ... for now that's it. No more posts lol!

Setting power plan to "Balanced" and going about my business. If things are still solid after a week of 24/7 operation ... gaming ... video rendering and other daily tasks? Then I'll be pleased and happy to forget about touching the thing again lol...

Have fun...

...

 

[Falkentyne]

CPU: i9 13900K / SP 104 @ 58p/46e
Motherboard: Asus Z690-E Strix Gaming
RAM: Corsair Dom Plat DDR5 6000mhz CL36 @ 6400mhz CL36
Cooling: Corsair H115i XT Pro 280mm AIO (PUSH/PULL INTAKE)

It took about a week (quicker than past new CPUs) but happy and relieved to have finally worked out a daily tuning that works quite well.

I'm not really sure how all the SP rating and Cooler rating thing works but posting that BIOS data here as well as my best Cinebench R23 and XTU Benchmark scores which I simply use as a litmus test of sorts before actually using the machine daily and with at least a degree of confidence in stability.

I no longer use XTU and have things properly setup in the MB BIOS but thought others might find the following data useful as their own 13900K starting point; I had never used XTU before this 13900K CPU but using the XTU app as a starting point, along with existing top ranked XTU 13900K user profiles was central to getting things set up in BIOS so thought I'd list all the XTU data here first as it might be useful to others:

XTU Profile (YMMV) - The XTU profile linked here is what XTU reads from my bios settings as I'm currently running the system with BIOS level settings.

And here are more hardware/OC settings info that other users might find useful; this is just system hardware specifics and all of the overclock settings as reported by XTU and which I have configured in my MB BIOS:

XTU Hardware Info / XTU Settings Info

Um....
Individual P and E core SP in AI settings, please? Total SP is pretty useless.
Bios set voltage, type, values?
LLC level?
Load voltage at full load?
I assume die sense is set in your BIOS if it's a DDR5 strix.

Note: if die sense is not an option, you can get the load die sense and current (amps) values easily,
download the Asus OCtool in robertosamiao's per core usage post,
Then go to Raw VRM on the top left and take a screenshot of the voltage and amps and power values.
This voltage should read much lower than "vcore" in hwinfo64, as that will show die sense rather than socket sense. You can do that while R23 is running.

 

[s1rrah]

Um....
Individual P and E core SP in AI settings, please? Total SP is pretty useless.
Bios set voltage, type, values?
LLC level?
Load voltage at full load?
I assume die sense is set in your BIOS if it's a DDR5 strix.

Note: if die sense is not an option, you can get the load die sense and current (amps) values easily,
download the Asus OCtool in robertosamiao's per core usage post,
Then go to Raw VRM on the top left and take a screenshot of the voltage and amps and power values.
This voltage should read much lower than "vcore" in hwinfo64, as that will show die sense rather than socket sense. You can do that while R23 is running.

I really don't know what the SP thing is about ... LLC is 5 ... otherwise, here is some more info which should have all the per core voltage stuff.

Thanks for the info on die sense ... that is interesting. So HWINFO's min/max/avg settings aren't trustworthy? I've often wondered about this as CPU-Z and other utils will show much different values. I'll def be checking out your liked OCtool suggestion ... curious myself, now.

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[bscool]

As for the Asus cooler score I notice with 13th gen my score is a bit lower than with 12th gen cpus. This is comparing only 1 13900k vs 5 different 12th Gen CPUs in Asus MB, 2 z690 Apex(2021 and 2022), z690 Strix and z790 Apex.

With 13th gen using AIO or custom loop Cooler score of 165 to 175ish is what i usually get. With 12th gen CPUs it was between 175 to 185+. Those are rough numbers but give you an idea. You score looks really good.

I think ambient temp plays a role so if your like some and run maxed out AC or rads outside in winter/chiller you can get 200+ Cooler Score.

 

[s1rrah]

As for the Asus cooler score I notice with 13th gen my score is a bit lower than with 12th gen cpus. This is comparing only 1 13900k vs 5 different 12th Gen CPUs in Asus MB, 2 z690 Apex(2021 and 2022), z690 Strix and z790 Apex.

With 13th gen using AIO or custom loop Cooler score of 165 to 175ish is what i usually get. With 12th gen CPUs it was between 175 to 185+. Those are rough numbers but give you an idea. You score looks really good.

I think ambient temp plays a role so if your like some and run maxed out AC or rads outside in winter/chiller you can get 200+ Cooler Score.

Thanks. I think my cooler score was about the same with my previous 12700KF on this same motherboard. Ambients in my room are generally ~22C pretty much all of the time.

 

[Falkentyne]

I really don't know what the SP thing is about ... LLC is 5 ... otherwise, here is some more info which should have all the per core voltage stuff.

Thanks for the info on die sense ... that is interesting. So HWINFO's min/max/avg settings aren't trustworthy? I've often wondered about this as CPU-Z and other utils will show much different values. I'll def be checking out your liked OCtool suggestion ... curious myself, now.

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Go to Asus AI settings. Individual P and E core SP values are there.

The link to hwbot is useless. Those settings show nothing useful besides Frequency. Please run the OCtool and SS the vcore, iOUT and POUT values there in Raw VRM. Has to be done at full load though.

 

[s1rrah]

Go to Asus AI settings. Individual P and E core SP values are there.

The link to hwbot is useless. Those settings show nothing useful besides Frequency. Please run the OCtool and SS the vcore, iOUT and POUT values there in Raw VRM. Has to be done at full load though.

Think I found what your speaking of.

Here is the first OCTool data I gathered. It's greek to me so tell me what's dumb and any tips on how to "undumb" it lol. Since 2006, I've been the slacker, quick and dirty overclocker and I'm sure it shows but whatever I've done has served me very well over the past 15 years or so. But have a look and let me know if this is the data you wanted to see. I just snapped a shot about a little over 50% in to the test...

 

[Falkentyne]

Think I found what your speaking of.

Here is the first OCTool data I gathered. It's greek to me so tell me what's dumb and any tips on how to "undumb" it lol. Since 2006, I've been the slacker, quick and dirty overclocker and I'm sure it shows but whatever I've done has served me very well over the past 15 years or so. But have a look and let me know if this is the data you wanted to see. I just snapped a shot about a little over 50% in to the test...

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nice results.
What was the all core P-core frequency during that run?
That looks like a 5.7 ghz run. 5.8 ghz at 1.244v die sense load would not work on 113 P core SP.

 

[s1rrah]

nice results.
What was the all core P-core frequency during that run?
That looks like a 5.7 ghz run. 5.8 ghz at 1.244v die sense load would not work on 113 P core SP.

Yes. When I run CBr23, the pCORES all drop to 57. In bios I have 58/58/58/58/57/57/57/57 set. Even the XTU Bench Score shows me running at 5730mhz when I got the 43K+ score. Oddly, some of the other top XTU bench scores were ~5700 mhz as well. Ah well. Work in progress. Your input has been very helpful.

So this most likely won't happen, but if I wanted to try for a true 5800mhz run? What would I have to change so that all the cores don't drop to 5700? Just curious as I'm quite pleased with the system thus far and will actually work out a good bit more conservative daily config as there's simply no use to run 58/46 vs 57/45 I don't think. At least not with my general work load.

Benching is just challenging to see what one can get in the way of personal bests butt when I do a CBr23 run, I deliberately disable every process that is unnecessary so that basically CBr23 is the only process running and I do not display a background or icons fwiw. I've found those simple measures, on a clean boot, will always make a notable difference compared to when I start the system with all the startup apps enabled (VPN, MSI AB, various AutoKey scripts I use constantly, core temp, etc.) ...

I've also experimented with process priority settings applied to CBr23 and that's pretty interesting too. Pretty sketchy, though lol ... many failure, much reboot lol.

Thanks again...

 

[Falkentyne]

Yes. When I run CBr23, the pCORES all drop to 57. In bios I have 58/58/58/58/57/57/57/57 set. Even the XTU Bench Score shows me running at 5730mhz when I got the 43K+ score. Oddly, some of the other top XTU bench scores were ~5700 mhz as well. Ah well. Work in progress. Your input has been very helpful.

So this most likely won't happen, but if I wanted to try for a true 5800mhz run? What would I have to change so that all the cores don't drop to 5700? Just curious as I'm quite pleased with the system thus far and will actually work out a good bit more conservative daily config as there's simply no use to run 58/46 vs 57/45 I don't think. At least not with my general work load.

Benching is just challenging to see what one can get in the way of personal bests butt when I do a CBr23 run, I deliberately disable every process that is unnecessary so that basically CBr23 is the only process running and I do not display a background or icons fwiw. I've found those simple measures, on a clean boot, will always make a notable difference compared to when I start the system with all the startup apps enabled (VPN, MSI AB, various AutoKey scripts I use constantly, core temp, etc.) ...

I've also experimented with process priority settings applied to CBr23 and that's pretty interesting too. Pretty sketchy, though lol ... many failure, much reboot lol.

Thanks again...

You would set somethiing like 59/59/58/58/58/58/58/58 or something. Or do it the easy way and set "Sync all P cores: x58", but I suspect you would need at LEAST 1.380v "Actual VRM Vcore Voltage" Bios set + LLC Level 6, to be stable in cinebench R23 for 30 minutes. You can test that for yourself. That's assuming you can keep it under 100C.
If you use the Asus Raw VRM, that would probably be about 1.280v load voltage after vdroop (Die sense).

 

[tubs2x4]

Yes. When I run CBr23, the pCORES all drop to 57. In bios I have 58/58/58/58/57/57/57/57 set. Even the XTU Bench Score shows me running at 5730mhz when I got the 43K+ score. Oddly, some of the other top XTU bench scores were ~5700 mhz as well. Ah well. Work in progress. Your input has been very helpful.

So this most likely won't happen, but if I wanted to try for a true 5800mhz run? What would I have to change so that all the cores don't drop to 5700? Just curious as I'm quite pleased with the system thus far and will actually work out a good bit more conservative daily config as there's simply no use to run 58/46 vs 57/45 I don't think. At least not with my general work load.

Benching is just challenging to see what one can get in the way of personal bests butt when I do a CBr23 run, I deliberately disable every process that is unnecessary so that basically CBr23 is the only process running and I do not display a background or icons fwiw. I've found those simple measures, on a clean boot, will always make a notable difference compared to when I start the system with all the startup apps enabled (VPN, MSI AB, various AutoKey scripts I use constantly, core temp, etc.) ...

I've also experimented with process priority settings applied to CBr23 and that's pretty interesting too. Pretty sketchy, though lol ... many failure, much reboot lol.

Thanks again...

I use fan control program for fans and aio and when I set priority above normal I notice my fan control doesn’t speed things up like it would under normal priority as soon as cpu load hits.

 

[s1rrah]

I use fan control program for fans and aio and when I set priority above normal I notice my fan control doesn’t speed things up like it would under normal priority as soon as cpu load hits.

Interesting. It does do all sorts of voodoo. I use all analogue fan controllers so don't really see that same issue...

 

[tomerturbo]

CPU: i9 13900K / SP 104 @ 58p/46e
Motherboard: Asus Z690-E Strix Gaming
RAM: Corsair Dom Plat DDR5 6000mhz CL36 @ 6400mhz CL36
Cooling: Corsair H115i XT Pro 280mm AIO (PUSH/PULL INTAKE)

It took about a week (quicker than past new CPUs) but happy and relieved to have finally worked out a daily tuning that works quite well.

I'm not really sure how all the SP rating and Cooler rating thing works but posting that BIOS data here as well as my best Cinebench R23 and XTU Benchmark scores which I simply use as a litmus test of sorts before actually using the machine daily and with at least a degree of confidence in stability.

I no longer use XTU and have things properly setup in the MB BIOS but thought others might find the following data useful as their own 13900K starting point; I had never used XTU before this 13900K CPU but using the XTU app as a starting point, along with existing top ranked XTU 13900K user profiles was central to getting things set up in BIOS so thought I'd list all the XTU data here first as it might be useful to others:

XTU Profile (YMMV) - The XTU profile linked here is what XTU reads from my bios settings as I'm currently running the system with BIOS level settings.

And here are more hardware/OC settings info that other users might find useful; this is just system hardware specifics and all of the overclock settings as reported by XTU and which I have configured in my MB BIOS:

XTU Hardware Info / XTU Settings Info

...

Cinebench R23: 43043 pts



(10 min loops will hit ~93C so I'll most likely be delidding eventually as I have no interest in changing coolers)


XTU Benchmark: 14261 marks




BIOS DATA (fwiw); How does the cooler rating work, anyway? Higher better? Such voodoo is new to me...




Anyway ... for now that's it. No more posts lol!

Setting power plan to "Balanced" and going about my business. If things are still solid after a week of 24/7 operation ... gaming ... video rendering and other daily tasks? Then I'll be pleased and happy to forget about touching the thing again lol...

Have fun...

...

very nice r23 score i have the same chip sp104 what is your setings in the bios voltage llc and other setings

thanks

 

[s1rrah]

very nice r23 score i have the same chip sp104 what is your setings in the bios voltage llc and other setings

thanks

What motherboard are you using?

 

[tomerturbo]

What motherboard are you using?

Asus z690 hero

 

[s1rrah]

Asus z690 hero

That's good as we have VERY similar motherboards. I can export a BIOS settings file for you from my motherboards BIOS which will simply be a HUGE list of all of my settings in BIOS and will be a .TXT file. That might help but will be complicated as my ex girlfriend so I'd try other options first lol.

Otherwise, I'd suggest doing what I did and start with Intel Extreme Tuning Utility (XTU) and import my XTU Profile linked below (and above) and load it via XTU's profile import feature, apply the settings and run some tests.

I did exactly that. In fact, I simply went to the XTU top benchmark users profiles rankings list and downloaded one of the top users profiles that was "71%" compatible with my system and loaded it in XTU and it worked straight out of the box, so to speak. This dude's profile was one based on a system using a Gigabyte motherboard too, which is odd because my MB is Asus but I suppose all the boards share similar enough features that the settings still worked; the main thing was we both use 13900K CPU's and so it just worked lol.

I'm pretty sure XTU did away with the ability to change any of your RAM settings a couple years ago so pretty sure it doesn't touch your RAM at all, be it DDR4 or DDR5 but I could be wrong and I'm sure someone will let me know if so.

Here's a quick little breakdown. I honestly don't think you can hurt anything by taking these steps because if the settings are incompatible, then you can simply reboot and your bios settings will take over again:

1. Download and install Intel Extreme Tuning Utility
   
   
2. Then download my linked XTU profile at first post
   
   
3. Once you install XTU, open it. You may get an error message when first starting XTU but just click out of it and XTU will still then open. Once your successfully into the XTU app and looking at the full window, select the "Profiles" option at left.
   
   
4. After entering the "Profiles" area, select "Import Profile" (at top of window) and import my profile that you downloaded in step 2.
   
   
5. THEN (took me a sec to get this) to apply the imported settings, you must first select the profile that you imported / then click "Show Values" in the upper left / when you click "Show Values", the "Apply" button at bottom left should turn yellow meaning it's okay to click it and load the imported profile.
   
   
6. Alternately, and before you actually apply the settings? After clicking "Show Values" in step 5, you can then go to "Advanced Tuning" at left, then look at the "Core" section (selectable at top of Advanced Tuning section) and any settings that you imported which differ from your currently working BIOS settings will be highlighted in yellow on that Advanced Tuning/Core page. This is handy as you can have a once over of what your about to change as soon as you go back to the profiles section where you should still have a yellow "Apply" button at bottom left.
   
   
7. But finally? Just click the "Apply" button and run some tests. If you encounter failures? Start dialing things in back at XTU.

XTU was brand new to me a week ago as I'd never used it but it was a life saver; once I tweaked my own "Random User Profile" and tweaked a few settings so that I was happy with things? I then replicated the XTU settings in my actual MB bios cause I don't want to run that software every time I start my rig.

Hope that helps. Give it a shot. You might be surprised. I certainly was when I went from the middle of the XTU benchmark scores list to being in the top few % LOL ...

Best of luck and let me know if any of that works. I'm very much still working out the kinks in my own rig (it's only a week old).

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[tomerturbo]

That's good as we have VERY similar motherboards. I can export a BIOS settings file for you from my motherboards BIOS which will simply be a HUGE list of all of my settings in BIOS and will be a .TXT file. That might help but will be complicated as my ex girlfriend so I'd try other options first lol.

Otherwise, I'd suggest doing what I did and start with Intel Extreme Tuning Utility (XTU) and import my XTU Profile linked below (and above) and load it via XTU's profile import feature, apply the settings and run some tests.

I did exactly that. In fact, I simply went to the XTU top benchmark users profiles rankings list and downloaded one of the top users profiles that was "71%" compatible with my system and loaded it in XTU and it worked straight out of the box, so to speak. This dude's profile was one based on a system using a Gigabyte motherboard too, which is odd because my MB is Asus but I suppose all the boards share similar enough features that the settings still worked; the main thing was we both use 13900K CPU's and so it just worked lol.

I'm pretty sure XTU did away with the ability to change any of your RAM settings a couple years ago so pretty sure it doesn't touch your RAM at all, be it DDR4 or DDR5 but I could be wrong and I'm sure someone will let me know if so.

Here's a quick little breakdown. I honestly don't think you can hurt anything by taking these steps because if the settings are incompatible, then you can simply reboot and your bios settings will take over again:

1. Download and install Intel Extreme Tuning Utility
   
   
2. Then download my linked XTU profile at first post
   
   
3. Once you install XTU, open it. You may get an error message when first starting XTU but just click out of it and XTU will still then open. Once your successfully into the XTU app and looking at the full window, select the "Profiles" option at left.
   
   
4. After entering the "Profiles" area, select "Import Profile" (at top of window) and import my profile that you downloaded in step 2.
   
   
5. THEN (took me a sec to get this) to apply the imported settings, you must first select the profile that you imported / then click "Show Values" in the upper left / when you click "Show Values", the "Apply" button at bottom left should turn yellow meaning it's okay to click it and load the imported profile.
   
   
6. Alternately, and before you actually apply the settings? After clicking "Show Values" in step 5, you can then go to "Advanced Tuning" at left, then look at the "Core" section (selectable at top of Advanced Tuning section) and any settings that you imported which differ from your currently working BIOS settings will be highlighted in yellow on that Advanced Tuning/Core page. This is handy as you can have a once over of what your about to change as soon as you go back to the profiles section where you should still have a yellow "Apply" button at bottom left.
   
   
7. But finally? Just click the "Apply" button and run some tests. If you encounter failures? Start dialing things in back at XTU.

XTU was brand new to me a week ago as I'd never used it but it was a life saver; once I tweaked my own "Random User Profile" and tweaked a few settings so that I was happy with things? I then replicated the XTU settings in my actual MB bios cause I don't want to run that software every time I start my rig.

Hope that helps. Give it a shot. You might be surprised. I certainly was when I went from the middle of the XTU benchmark scores list to being in the top few % LOL ...

Best of luck and let me know if any of that works. I'm very much still working out the kinks in my own rig (it's only a week old).

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first of all thanks for the help i prefer if you can to uplod your bios seting on txt file

 

[s1rrah]

first of all thanks for the help i prefer if you can to uplod your bios seting on txt file

Will do... back in a bit ...

 

[s1rrah]

PLEASE DELETE THIS.

 

[s1rrah]

first of all thanks for the help i prefer if you can to uplod your bios seting on txt file

Okay mang. Got the right one lol. Best of luck! .TXT file is attached...