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I picked up a new Artisan Hien as I've wanted to go to a more control style of mouse-play. I've posted my thoughts on my previous Artisan Hien. The problem was that my old Hien that I occasionally used, definitely doesn't have the floor space for my new style, plus I had got the soft, which I don't really like that much.

So, I picked up another Artisan Hien 'mid'.

The Artisan packaging says it is a 'new' Hien, and indeed it looks different than my other two. I thought it was simply a rebranding thing, designating it as a new production, but it appears to be quite different.

It feels similar, has the signature Hien glide, but the material on the pad surface looks and feels noticeably different...for the better in my case.

You can shine a light on the 'old' and 'new' pads and a hexagonal pattern will comeout all sparkly on the 'new' Hiens. The weave is also clearly finer. The 'shineys' kinda resemble the glass in a Shiden-Kai. It has less of the 'grippiness' than the original Hien on the skin.

I dunno how long this has been out, but I got my 'old' Hiens probably two years ago. They appear to have surfaced the Hien texture with something.

Anyway, it's an excellent upgrade if you already own a Hien, or want a good control pad. You can tell if it's the 'new' one because it says Artisan along the side and is 'sparkly' when you shine a light on it. The 'old' Hiens had no writing on them, and featured 4 very tiny inscrutable pictograms along the side and has no shine under a light.

The 'new' Hien is not as grippy on the skin, but has the same mouse-feel to the skates and seems to have better tracking.

So, again, it's possible this 'new' version is not that 'new', and people may be aware of this, or maybe I caught an early upgrade. I've always ordered direct from Artisan.
 

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So, I picked up another Artisan Hien 'mid'.

The 'new' Hien is not as grippy on the skin, but has the same mouse-feel to the skates and seems to have better tracking.
Same here been using it now for more than six months and am extremely happy with it's surface. Every mouse seems to love moving upon it and the surface doesn't irritate my skin when I rest part of my forearm.

I purchased a Dark Blue one since I've mostly got all black coloured pads in my collection. Plus the way Artizan pads STICK to the surface of my desk is unbelieveable, like supa-glue really can not be moved or deformed when playing harshly with a mouse, like most cloth pads can.

Hate to say it, the Japanese are really making some choice mouse pads these days.
 

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Did the packaging for your Hien state that it was a "new Hien" or that it had a "New Mid" foam layer? I got a second Hien last summer with the New Mid foam layer and the surface was very different from my first hien. The cloth material was much more rigid, kind of like a G-TF Rough, the glide was similar to the Rough as well with considerably more static friction than my old Hien. The differing X and Y axis friction is seemingly absent as well.

Maybe I'm just crazy and my first Hien is uncharacteristic of what the Hien's glide is supposed to be like.
 

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Edit: I realize I confuse my new/old, 'new'/'old' elements in this assessment. What I mean to say is I wanted to purchase a new pad believing it to be a size upgrade to my existing Hien's. New to me. But the packaging identifies it as a 'new' Hien mid. It's different. From that point I was identifying from the perspective of the Artisan identified 'new' pad and my existing 'old' pads.

Yeah, it reminds me of a G-TF Speed surface. They might have further tightened up the stippling on the pad and coated it with something, which resembles to me the characteristics of the Shiden-Kai under direct light. I don't own a rough. It's definitely a finer texture than the other Hien's I own, has rebranded elements on the edge, and something about the surface that now makes it shiney, less grippy, and better tracking.

I don't want people to think it's not an awesome control pad, I'm just speaking to the signature skin grip of the other Hien's I own. It's really not that noticeable on this version, but probably the halfway you would like for that surface. Like, you want it to grip a little on the skin, but maybe the original Hien was too much for all-purpose use.

Artisan is such a good company, but they are really bad about defining product characteristics and upgrades. I can't find any information about this, but it's definitely different and for the better.
 

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That's odd since my first Hien has a surface that has a similar texture but has a soft to the touch cloth feel that the second Hien lacks.
They might have made a revision since I got my second Hien since my newer Hien has a very abrasive almost sandpaper like surface which feels pretty awful against my forearm.

Actually most of your description for the newer Hien doesn't match mine at all
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That's interesting, I am loathe to do this, but I will take...pictures...and post them. I'm not sure the 'shiney hexagonal' will come out on my camera phone, or the shiney opposed to the non-shiney.

Again, I feel like I created a problem in my original post.

By 'new' a mean a product designated by Artisan on the sleeve as 'NEW Hien Mid'...but it was also MY new Hien Mid, simply meaning it was the most recently purchased. So I think the new/old dialogue might have become confusing as I'm actually not sure that this change in the Hien is not extant from 1.5-2 years ago.

It IS different from my other Hien surfaces and their sleeves designate them as simply Hien Softs.

Do you own two different Hiens? Whats the branding on the side of your Hiens look like?
 

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I guess I wasn't that clear in my original post, I was asking if the packaging was calling it the "New Hien" or the new mid. I was curious if Artisan had changed the surface of the Hien since I got my "New Mid" as I didn't like the surface of that one and was hoping that Artisan might have revised to surface to be a little bit softer like my first Hien.


 

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Wow. Ok that's interesting.

OK, so my point is your 'new' pad with the artisan branding has a 'new' designation before the model name.

Your old Hien hard does not have this. It simply says 'Hard'.

If you shine a light on the surface, you do not see a difference? The 'hard' Hien has been unavailable for a long time, so your Hien is at least or older than my 'olds'.

You don't see any difference in the tightness of the stippling between your two pads just naturally eye-balling it?

Like, it's not really a performance concern. I do feel it's an improvement, but I'm just trying to point out that there is a 'new' Hien. Whether you like it as much is debatable, but not what my PSA was regarding
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I've been a huge supporter of some characteristics of the Hien...and I never realized that the pad changed! That's my point. It's a different pad surface now, and even someone like me that purchases Artisan pads more regularly than jo schmoe is unaware of this, and obsoletes any Hien reviews, despite nobody ever mentioning this.

So, that's the point. Hiens are different now. I find them better, but I never owned an original/hard. They didn't make those anymore when I got my first Hien. Look closely at the grain of the pad. Different. Do the hard-light test. Different...revealing a stamped coating.

Edit: I get that you think the model number is describing the pad layer, as that's all that designation has represented previously. It's a model number though, and not in reference to the pad. They even made the case designation to represent this. The new reference for the new surface is 'new' 'PAD LEVEL'.

'SOFT' vs 'new SOFT' means the new pad on a soft layer. That's just how Artisan describes things. The 'new' is clearly not in reference to the pad depth, though that may also be different. I don't have anything to really consistently compare.

You also stated that your opinion of the surface is different than mine, because you don't like it as much. That wasn't the point. The point is that it IS different, which you supported. I think this will blow everyone's mind that the Artisan Hien has an update to it. No enthusiast site has addressed this. No enthusiast has tested it. I mean...NOBODY is aware of this. I accidentally discovered this, and I think it's VERY interesting and an improvement.

Just as long as people will know there is a new Hien substantially different from the old, while maintaining most of the characteristics of the old, will be VERY interesting to people.

I know takasta doesn't pop in these forums too often, but he would probably be capable of rooting this out quite quickly.
 

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I picked up a new Artisan Hien as I've wanted to go to a more control style of mouse-play. I've posted my thoughts on my previous Artisan Hien. The problem was that my old Hien that I occasionally used, definitely doesn't have the floor space for my new style, plus I had got the soft, which I don't really like that much.
What do you meam by "floor space"? Is the new hien bigger?
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There's definitely a difference between the two if I shine a light on the surface, I actually didn't notice it before until I put the two right next to each other but my older Hien has a tighter weave to it. The Hien is more shiny when I shine a light on it, I'm not sure if I can notice a hexagonal pattern though. The older Hien looks like it has lines going across it, it's hard to describe but it's probably the reason for the differing X and Y axis friction on it.

I wonder if my old Hien Hard is more similar to the Kai g3 Hien.

I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding, I understand that Artisan has revised the "Mid" which is now called "New Mid" to sort of bridge the gap between the old Mid and the Hard since the Hard was discontinued. I believe that my "New Mid" Hien is probably the same as yours, I was just a bit confused initially.
 

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What do you meam buy "floor space"? Is the new hien bigger?
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No, they are in the common Artisan sizes. I had simply purchased a Hien on a whim with a bunch of their other surfaces when I didn't need as much floor space. I normally always buy the biggest paddest for most utility, but I just wanted to test Artisan's strange surfaces and indecipherable engrish characteristics. So I just got a couple tinier ones to save some bucks. I actually started switching to the Hein a lot, and liked it so much that it became my preferred pad in another space...and then something got spilled on it and 'ruined' it. So I got another, and the size was right for the purpose it was servicing, more recently.

I then decided VERY recently I wanted to change up my mouse-style and progressively reduce my sens...but Shiden-kai is not so good at super low speeds: it has average tracking and it's slipperiness makes it not good for the control I am desiring. My Hiens were both good candidates, but were both too small, as I only purchased them as testers for the surfaces a long time ago. So I got a full-size (large) Hien, based on this experience...and the thing that arrived to my door is something that I'm in love with, and despite owning 2 Hiens, I've never seen before. It's entirely different.
 

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It sucks that Artisan decided to make their logo larger and it's on the right bottom corner. I don't like the new logo decision, I haven't bought another Artisan because of it.
 

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It sucks that Artisan decided to make their logo larger and it's on the right bottom corner. I don't like the new logo decision, I haven't bought another Artisan because of it.
Because their logo is actually printed upon the surface of the pad it can easily be removed with Eucalyptus Oil. In fact it wipes off immediately when used, I use Eucalyptus on anything that offends my eyes and their Logo certainly is quite ugly to look at.
 

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How is the X/Y axis issue on this new pad?
I never had an x/y issue with the Hien. I always found it my tightest tracking pad, though of course it's surface and my mouse style made it quite particular in usage for me despite it's excellent tracking.

I'm actually really unfamiliar with any x/y issue with any Hien. The Raiden is an Artisan pad that has terrible x/y issues which is a shame because it's glide and feel is real nice, but it's unuseable.

Side to side, I find the 'new' Hien with the Artisan labeling better in all regards: feel, glide, tracking. Noticeably.
 

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There's definitely a difference between the two if I shine a light on the surface, I actually didn't notice it before until I put the two right next to each other but my older Hien has a tighter weave to it. The Hien is more shiny when I shine a light on it, I'm not sure if I can notice a hexagonal pattern though. The older Hien looks like it has lines going across it, it's hard to describe but it's probably the reason for the differing X and Y axis friction on it.

I wonder if my old Hien Hard is more similar to the Kai g3 Hien.

I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding, I understand that Artisan has revised the "Mid" which is now called "New Mid" to sort of bridge the gap between the old Mid and the Hard since the Hard was discontinued. I believe that my "New Mid" Hien is probably the same as yours, I was just a bit confused initially.
Err, yeah, the hexagonal bit is hard to see. The stippling on a Hien is uniform, but if you take like a mag-lite to it, you will see 'shineys'. They are not uniform like the stippling. If you kinda just pivot the light around the pad, you will see a hexagonal pattern form in the shiney's. It's something printed/coated on the pad that does not exist on the older Hiens.

Now my point is, who on the earth knows how long this pad has existed? It's not the same Hien that I feel a lot of people including myself, reference as the Hien. Even now, it will ever be confusing because the manufacturer maintains no information about the product, nor would anyone suspect the pads are significantly different. But on the date of this post, I can tell people, that the Hien they can purchase around this date, is not the generally described Hien. It is way different, and also a very good pad, but an improvement in almost all ways.
 

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There's definitely a difference between the two if I shine a light on the surface, I actually didn't notice it before until I put the two right next to each other but my older Hien has a tighter weave to it. The Hien is more shiny when I shine a light on it, I'm not sure if I can notice a hexagonal pattern though. The older Hien looks like it has lines going across it, it's hard to describe but it's probably the reason for the differing X and Y axis friction on it.

I wonder if my old Hien Hard is more similar to the Kai g3 Hien.

I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding, I understand that Artisan has revised the "Mid" which is now called "New Mid" to sort of bridge the gap between the old Mid and the Hard since the Hard was discontinued. I believe that my "New Mid" Hien is probably the same as yours, I was just a bit confused initially.
Possibly we are talking across each other, but I genuinely think you are revealing interesting information. Kai g3 has never been available to me through Artisan when I first discovered them. I know it's a highly regarded pad. So your Hien hard that existed previously in different colors and layers might infact be different than my 'old' Hiens, and might be rebranded Kai g3's. That's the point I'm making. This is insane. They make very good pads...but apparently what has been revealed is that NOBODY knows what current pad is being discussed. It's Artisan's fault, but that's mind-boggling to me, and I wanted to give 2 huge thumbs up the 'new' Artisan Hien.

Like, I was dissappointed when it wasn't just a bigger Hien, clearly rebranded, and started taking a closer look as to whether as I was going to send it back. I'm sorry I every felt that way. I actually ordered something believing I was getting one thing and got something better, pretty amazing...but disconcerting all the same.
 

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I never had an x/y issue with the Hien. I always found it my tightest tracking pad, though of course it's surface and my mouse style made it quite particular in usage for me despite it's excellent tracking.

I'm actually really unfamiliar with any x/y issue with any Hien. The Raiden is an Artisan pad that has terrible x/y issues which is a shame because it's glide and feel is real nice, but it's unuseable.

Side to side, I find the 'new' Hien with the Artisan labeling better in all regards: feel, glide, tracking. Noticeably.
I'm not talking about, rather about the glide resistance.
 

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How is the X/Y axis issue on this new pad?
I like how the Y axis glides. I rather have the X axis glide like the Y axis. In other words, reverse the gliding characteristic around. Better yet, make both directions the same (if that is possible).
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Because their logo is actually printed upon the surface of the pad it can easily be removed with Eucalyptus Oil. In fact it wipes off immediately when used, I use Eucalyptus on anything that offends my eyes and their Logo certainly is quite ugly to look at.
Nice~

Removing the logo doesn't hurt the pad at all?
 

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Removing the logo doesn't hurt the pad at all?
No the blue coloured fabric is colour fast and it didn't come off when I used the oil.

REMEMBER that once the white logo painted junk is removed straight away neutralize the Eucalyptus by using some soapy water to remove any residue. Eucalyptus when left on a surface will continue to eat at it's surface hence you use it to remove the Logo then wash it away from the blue (my pad colour) fabric of the pad.
 
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