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OK, I am about ready to order the rest of my stuff here. I just want to make sure I don't find out two days later I should have done something different. I am starting out here with an E6300 proc, an Antec Nine Hundred case, and a Seagate 320GB HD. I am about to order the following:<br />
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Noctua NH-U12F cooler, $65 from Frozen CPU<br />
ASUS P5B Deluxe, $200 from Newegg<br />
Hiper HPU-4K580-MS, $100 from Newegg<br />
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800, $300 from Newegg<br />
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This is much more than I planned on spending, because I was going to just upgrade the system in my profile with the Core 2 Duo. But I would like to keep my old PC around and use the new one to play around with, OCing and running Vista. What I am not sure about is the RAM, I would like to use the OCZ RAM that I have now in the new PC, and get something cheaper for the old one, is this a good way to go to save some money. Or should I just get the new stuff now? <br />
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I want this new PC to really rock, so any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Also, if anyone knows of deals anywhere I would love to save a few bucks if possible.<br />
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Get the new stuff. You likely want to overclock that E6300, and hit and FSB in the high 300's, or over 400. In that case, the DDR2 800 will really help you out. Thus, if you can afford it, get the DDR2 800 that will allow you to hit a high FSB with RAM at 1:1.<br />
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Also, I would get a better PSU. The Hiper is nice, but not that powerful (only 30A max load on the 12V Rails.). Take a look at the <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?DEPA=0&type=&Description=gamexstream&Submit=ENE&N=0&Ntk=all" target="_blank">OCZ GameXStream</a>. The 600W version already delivers a max load of 44A on the 12V rails.
 

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Dont get the P5B it adds a strap after 400mhz, you will want a 975x chipset on a high-end motherboard<br />
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P965 Express chipsets overclock better than the 975X. There are at least two members who hit 500MHz or more on the P5B Deluxe. Don't see a problem there. <br />
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For overclocking, get the P965 Express chipset. It's the better chipset of the two, also given the fact it has the ICH8R southbridge, which is more feature-rich than the ICH7R that comes with the 975X
 

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With the strap issue though, to get the chipset to effectively clock over 400mhz, you have to pass 467mhz. Its kinda like when you screw a bottle-top on too tight and cross over the threads. Im not sure exactly what it affects but it results in a loss of performance.
 

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Agreed you have to exceed 467MHz for maximized performance, but, I do think that and FSB of 433MHz results in better performance than 400MHz (since the CPU speed is higher). However, 433MHz FSB on a 975X board would perform better than 433MHz on the P965 board... I agree with that.<br />
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The 'problems' with 975X boards are that the <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131025" target="_blank">P5W DH deluxe</a> won't hit as high an FSB as the P5B Deluxe, the <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127011" target="_blank">ABIT AW9D-MAX</a> only has one (yes, 1) PCI slot which is useless when using Crossfire/SLI, and the <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131047" target="_blank">Asus P5W64 Professional</a> is just outrageously expensive,.
 

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OK, thanks for the info. I like the idea of a modular power supply, but not a big deal. Is there any reason I should go with the 700 watt over the 600? I don't think I will ever go SLI, right now I only will have a 7900 GT card and maybe 2 hd's, nothing else I can think of that would require extra power. If I go with But it is only 30 bucks more. And the more I think about it, I may just sell my current PC so I don't have to hold back on anything that I shouldn't. So any ideas, throw them out there for me to look at.<br />
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</div>If that ain't the truth.... <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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<div style="font-style:italic">Is there any reason I should go with the 700 watt over the 600?</div>

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</div>Maybe headroom for things like water pumps
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">OK, thanks for the info. I like the idea of a modular power supply, but not a big deal. Is there any reason I should go with the 700 watt over the 600? I don't think I will ever go SLI, right now I only will have a 7900 GT card and maybe 2 hd's, nothing else I can think of that would require extra power. If I go with But it is only 30 bucks more. And the more I think about it, I may just sell my current PC so I don't have to hold back on anything that I shouldn't. So any ideas, throw them out there for me to look at.<br />
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</div>The headroom of the 700W version might be desirable, given the expected power consumption of DX10 cards (250W a piece for the high-end cards).<br />
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If you want modular, take a look at the <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817194004" target="_blank">Enermax Liberty 620W</a>. Good quality, and delivering 36A on the 12V rails (which I consider the minimum for high-end DX10, if it can handle them). It's your choice. I would get the more powerful GameXStream myself. The modular system just comes at too great an offer of power for me.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">OK, thanks for the info. I like the idea of a modular power supply, but not a big deal. Is there any reason I should go with the 700 watt over the 600? I don't think I will ever go SLI, right now I only will have a 7900 GT card and maybe 2 hd's, nothing else I can think of that would require extra power. If I go with But it is only 30 bucks more. And the more I think about it, I may just sell my current PC so I don't have to hold back on anything that I shouldn't. So any ideas, throw them out there for me to look at.<br />
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</div>The 700w will give you more power, and it's only $20 more.
 

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GameXStream 700W delivers a max load of 50A (not 57A) on the 12V rails. The 57A is for 3.3V, 5V, and 12V combined. <br />
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The GameXSTream is identical to the FSP Epsilon series (which I have). It's a very reliable, and stable, PSU.
 

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The Noctua 120 may not come with a 120mm fan, mine did not. <img src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Mad" class="inlineimg" /> <br />
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The Silverstone FM121 is a very good performer in regards to CFM vs. dBa<br />
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To mount a 120 on the Noctua may require a mod. The clips need to sit on the flange contacting the HSF. If you have a "closed" corner fan you will need to notch it out:<br />
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Here is what they look mounted. Note: I switched the Thermaltakes out for a Silverstone. I am only useing 1 x 120 as a "pusher", the rear exhaust functions as the "puller".<br />
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Here is the final setup, the config that I am using now.<br />
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Correct, the Noctua does not come with a fan (and no fan is pictured/promised on FrozenCPU)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">GameXStream 700W delivers a max load of 50A (not 57A) on the 12V rails. The 57A is for 3.3V, 5V, and 12V combined. <br />
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The GameXSTream is identical to the FSP Epsilon series (which I have). It's a very reliable, and stable, PSU.</div>

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No.. don't have to take the whole max load of the 3.3V and 5V rails off.<br />
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I get my specs from the FSP Epsilon, which I said is identical. 50A is the max load on the 12V rails. Obviously, when you max out 3.3V and 5V, then the max load on the 12V rails drops (but then, who ever maxes out 3.3V and 5V nowadays.... not even close!)
 

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OK, the GameXStream 700W sounds like the way to go. Thanks for the class on amps and volts and all that<img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /> .<br />
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The Noctua I was looking at does come with a fan:<br />
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<a href="http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5232/cpu-noc-03/Noctua_NH-U12F_CPU_Heat_Sink_Socket_754_775_939_940_AM2.html?id=VjmM4Fuf" target="_blank">http://www.frozencpu.com/products/52...ml?id=VjmM4Fuf</a><br />
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But should I just get the one without so I can choose my own fan. I like the idea of not needing to mod it to make it work.<br />
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Just a side question here, I will do come looking to, but what is up with the DX10 graphics cards? Any time frame on when they will be out?
 

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The fan that comes with the Noctua is only like 48CFM, which is a little low. However, given the quality of the heatsink itself, it might be enough.<br><br>
Personally, I would like a more powerful fan, and would be willing to figure out how to fit it.<br><br>
Regaring DX10, it's a new Direct X Version, which is not backward compatible. The first DX10 cards should come in November, but will be highly expensive and draw tons of power. It's better to wait a bit for more DX10 cards at lower prices, etc.<br><br>
I think the best thing right now is to get a ~$200 GPU right now, and wait about half a year or so. That way you'll know what's on the market and which cards are good for you.
 

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OK, I guess I will take Syrillian's advice and follow what he did on the Noctua.<br><br>
And for the graphics, I was planning on using my 7900 anyway, but was just curious about the DX10. I haven't heard much about it lately.<br><br>
Thanks again.<br><br>
Now if I could just find a real good deal on the memory<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/cool.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Cool"> .
 

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Thanks again for everyone's help. I have most of what I need now, just waiting on a couple more items that will hopefully be here tomorrow.<br />
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I already have:<br />
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Asus P5B Deluxe mobo<br />
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 proc<br />
Antec Nine Hundred Case<br />
OCZ Gamestream 700 Watt PS<br />
LG GSA-H22NI DVD Writer<br />
BFG nVidia 7900 GT<br />
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Hopefully tomorrow I will get the rest:<br />
2 GB G Skill DDR2 800<br />
Zalman VF900 GPU Cooler<br />
Scythe Infinity CPU Cooler<br />
And a few other odds and ends to put it all together. I can't wait!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Thanks again for everyone's help. I have most of what I need now, just waiting on a couple more items that will hopefully be here tomorrow.<br />
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I already have:<br />
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Asus P5B Deluxe mobo<br />
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 proc<br />
Antec Nine Hundred Case<br />
OCZ Gamestream 700 Watt PS<br />
LG GSA-H22NI DVD Writer<br />
BFG nVidia 7900 GT<br />
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Hopefully tomorrow I will get the rest:<br />
2 GB G Skill DDR2 800<br />
Zalman VF900 GPU Cooler<br />
Scythe Infinity CPU Cooler<br />
And a few other odds and ends to put it all together. I can't wait!</div>

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</div>That looks like it's going to be a great rig. I'm excited for ya! I wanna see some benchmarks soon! <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
 
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