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New research supports the idea that viruses may play a role in chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), a debilitating disease that affects millions of people nationwide.

http://www.nih.gov/researchmatters/a...nicfatigue.htm

By the way, the governments official stance in relation to the "outbreaks" of CFS (originally called M.E, or Myalgic Encephalomyelitis) that wiped out large populations in Nevada in the 1980's is that is was "Hysteria". Now it looks a lot more like "AIDS".

I have been disabled from this illness since I was 11 years old, and have been told most of my life that I am just depressed. Now when I see doctors the first thing they tell me is that its most likely Cancer or AIDS, and when the basic blood work comes back mostly normal they brush me off because they don't know what to do; even though I'm having organ failure and showing signs of neurological and auto immune problems.

Please help spread the word that Chronic Fatigue Syndrom, and Fibromyalgia are real illnesses. Polio and MS used to be called hysteria too.
 

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Stuff like this is really sad. For all of science's advancements and strengths, it is still implemented by humans, who will always be tainted by arrogance and the confirmation bias.
 

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A girl i know is disabled from CFS (She much prefer's to call it M.E) I'm sure she'll find this an interesting read.

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Stuff like this is really sad. For all of science's advancements and strengths, it is still implemented by humans, who will always be tainted by arrogance and the confirmation bias.

She often tells me stories of how doctors say there's "nothing wrong with her" and that she's depressed.

The irony is it's because nobody listens that causes alot of her depression anyway, also, from what i understand depression is a symptom of the disease, whether or not this is because people refuse to help i'm not sure.

But then in my experience, The NHS is never really of much help.
 

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http://www.nih.gov/researchmatters/a...nicfatigue.htm

By the way, the governments official stance in relation to the "outbreaks" of CFS (originally called M.E, or Myalgic Encephalomyelitis) that wiped out large populations in Nevada in the 1980's is that is was "Hysteria". Now it looks a lot more like "AIDS".

I have been disabled from this illness since I was 11 years old, and have been told most of my life that I am just depressed. Now when I see doctors the first thing they tell me is that its most likely Cancer or AIDS, and when the basic blood work comes back mostly normal they brush me off because they don't know what to do; even though I'm having organ failure and showing signs of neurological and auto immune problems.

Please help spread the word that Chronic Fatigue Syndrom, and Fibromyalgia are real illnesses. Polio and MS used to be called hysteria too.

Really sorry to hear about your illness. Humans can be very arrogant in a lot of cases and let's hope that they do find more information and more research goes into studying this.
 

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I appreciate the comments!

I think that the field of psychiatry has caused an awful lot of problems since it's establishment. After all there is no such thing as a disease of just the mind, as the mind and body actually make up something called a human. The entire field is void of scientific study and full of drugs for "depression". I'm sure anyone can figure out that when something is depressing (like being ill every day, maybe not even being aware of it) you get depressed.
 

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I have been disabled from this illness since I was 11 years old, and have been told most of my life that I am just depressed. Now when I see doctors the first thing they tell me is that its most likely Cancer or AIDS, and when the basic blood work comes back mostly normal they brush me off because they don't know what to do; even though I'm having organ failure and showing signs of neurological and auto immune problems.


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Stuff like this is really sad. For all of science's advancements and strengths, it is still implemented by humans, who will always be tainted by arrogance and the confirmation bias.


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A girl i know is disabled from CFS (She much prefer's to call it M.E) I'm sure she'll find this an interesting read.

She often tells me stories of how doctors say there's "nothing wrong with her" and that she's depressed.

The irony is it's because nobody listens that causes alot of her depression anyway, also, from what i understand depression is a symptom of the disease, whether or not this is because people refuse to help i'm not sure.

But then in my experience, The NHS is never really of much help.


Most doctors these days just shrug and move on. IMO, it has to do with the HMO's system and how they dictate that you be given treatment.

For 7 years I had multiple knee x-rays from doctors who said i had nothing wrong, only to be given an MRI and told, "Whoops, looks like you ground away all your cartilage!"

Same thing now with my rotator cuff. Stupid MFing doctor gives me an x-ray and a bottle of motrin and tells me it's just inflammation. Sorry doc, i know what torn cartilage feels like. So i ask for an MRI but I can't get one until i go through the HMOs hoops and hurdles.
 

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sometimes i think western medicine is bull****

all it provides are drugs and misdiagnosis

i got chronic bronchitis symptoms and the doctors give me claritin

and a damn visit ain't cheap
 

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It is all a money making machine. Obviously no one makes money if everyone is healthy, or if they actually cure people...
 

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It is all a money making machine. Obviously no one makes money if everyone is healthy, or if they actually cure people...

one huge reason why the US loves its privatized health system, if we had a universal or "SOCIALIST" health system like say france and the UK use we surely would not have so many sad new diseases claim lives that could have been prevented by our own arrogance. I mean if you get sick badly they will fix you to their best abilities but then if you live you still could lose your home trying to pay off damn hospital bills. Dont get me wrong, i love my country but politics and health care in the US really tick me off.
 

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one huge reason why the US loves its privatized health system, if we had a universal or "SOCIALIST" health system like say france and the UK use we surely would not have so many sad new diseases claim lives that could have been prevented by our own arrogance. I mean if you get sick badly they will fix you to their best abilities but then if you live you still could lose your home trying to pay off damn hospital bills. Dont get me wrong, i love my country but politics and health care in the US really tick me off.

This.

In the USA we have the right to life, and with our current health system it isn't an option for many people.


I haven't been to the doctor in years, and I know that I have high blood pressure, but I can't afford to go.
If I only lived in the UK . . . .

This was a very interesting article. I find it shocking that they don't really know how it is transmitted. Here is the wiki page to it. Link.
 

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one huge reason why the US loves its privatized health system, if we had a universal or "SOCIALIST" health system like say france and the UK use we surely would not have so many sad new diseases claim lives that could have been prevented by our own arrogance. I mean if you get sick badly they will fix you to their best abilities but then if you live you still could lose your home trying to pay off damn hospital bills. Dont get me wrong, i love my country but politics and health care in the US really tick me off.

I know what you meant to say but that was worded hilariously. This is why living in Canada is nice. On the the other hand, a lot of the good doctors go down to the U.S. because they can get a lot better pay off a privatized health care system.
 

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I have to agree about the medial practice here in the western world. I spent 4 years trying to get surgery after being diagnosed with torn cartalidge in my knee. I had a MRI done after the initial incident and a letter from the doctor what was wrong, instead the doctors wanted me to Rae ibuprofen and go through physical therapy. My wife was diagnosed with an Iron defency while we live in Germany, and it took two years for her to get the proper testing and treatment here. I think either our doctors don't care or have no clue how to practice medicine. Maybe it's to fill us with drugs and test them for them or maybe so we keep coming back so they get paid.
 

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This.

In the USA we have the right to life, and with our current health system it isn't an option for many people.


I haven't been to the doctor in years, and I know that I have high blood pressure, but I can't afford to go.
If I only lived in the UK . . . .
? Your countries healthcare must be damn terrible to think the UK's is any better. It's really not very good. In fact my dad recently got out of hospital with MRSA after a recent operation on his heart.

Although to give them credit, my county hospital isn't half bad (although lacks the facilities) Birmingham hospital on the other hand is absolutely atrocious, which is where my father had his op.
 

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? Your countries healthcare must be damn terrible to think the UK's is any better. It's really not very good. In fact my dad recently got out of hospital with MRSA after a recent operation on his heart.

Although to give them credit, my county hospital isn't half bad (although lacks the facilities) Birmingham hospital on the other hand is absolutely atrocious, which is where my father had his op.
Eh, whilst there are a few crap hospitals, the NHS actually does a damn good job considering the little money we pay directly to it. I've had numerous good experiences there, only slight downer was the waiting time, but, to be fair, for what is essentially free, I won't complain.
 

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Eh, whilst there are a few crap hospitals, the NHS actually does a damn good job considering the little money we pay directly to it. I've had numerous good experiences there, only slight downer was the waiting time, but, to be fair, for what is essentially free, I won't complain.
I actually think they'd be much better if it wasn't for the serious workload issue. Birmingham hospital was so overcrowded you couldn't even move in there, which made the risk of infection go quite high.

For the four days my father was stuck in Birmingham, not one nurse changed his bedding. I also remember how 8 different nurses blatently ignored a blood-stained bandage discarded on the floor before one of them picked it up and disposed of it properly.

And my father wonders why he was unfortunate enough to get MRSA...
 

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I can imagine Birmingham hospital might be a bit un-organised... I've mainly been to Swindon hospital and my local GP's and each time they are quick and helpful. As I said, it can take a while to be seen if they are busy, but since i'm not snagged with a massive bill at the end, i'll happily take a book to read or my phone to play on.

I think 90% of NHS hospitals work well, but there is the 10% that is seriously over worked and understaffed. Hopefully Mr Cameron can help sort that out though.
 

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I edited the wiki for this jackhole that works for the CIA on the subject of silver mercury amalgam poisoning. I got hit by an operation out of UK called M Consulting. Then a month or two later their website was brought down after I fired off a really nasty email asking them exactly what a financial consulting firm was doing on Ianna Reserved. If you are going to find the reasons behind chronic fatique you better bring computer skills and torture tools. And you better come to grips that people are being systematically and massively and knowingly poisoned in various ways.

Late stages of mercury poisoning will either hit with inflamed joints that many people get or lung failure.
 

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I can imagine Birmingham hospital might be a bit un-organised... I've mainly been to Swindon hospital and my local GP's and each time they are quick and helpful. As I said, it can take a while to be seen if they are busy, but since i'm not snagged with a massive bill at the end, i'll happily take a book to read or my phone to play on.

I think 90% of NHS hospitals work well, but there is the 10% that is seriously over worked and understaffed. Hopefully Mr Cameron can help sort that out though.
To be fair i think Birmingham is one of the worst i've seen. A doctor i know (who's my fathers current GP) used to work there but left on the grounds that there was "too much bureaucracy" and thus you get little done.

I hear Birmingham hospital is in the process of being moved south of the city, perhaps things will smoothen out once the move is over.

Apart from the experience of that hospital though, Hereford hospital is actually pretty good - it too suffers with long wait times but apart from that and the lack of facilities, service is very good.
 

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In the USA we have the right to life, and with our current health system it isn't an option for many people.


I haven't been to the doctor in years, and I know that I have high blood pressure, but I can't afford to go.
If I only lived in the UK . . . .

This was a very interesting article. I find it shocking that they don't really know how it is transmitted. Here is the wiki page to it. Link.
If only the US conservatives realise this and stop trying to halt Obama in his tracks

*massive sigh*
 
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