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Shane1244
Which one, and why? The Nikon will be $60 more, so keep that in mind.

Also, where's the best/cheapest place to buy DSLR's in Canada? So far, I'm looking at bestbuy, and NCIX.
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Which one, and why? The Nikon will be $60 more, so keep that in mind.

Also, where's the best/cheapest place to buy DSLR's in Canada? So far, I'm looking at bestbuy, and NCIX.

All Come down to what feels better in your hand. Both cameras are great. Look at a local photo store first, there return policies are usually better.
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What one do you perfer?
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What one do you perfer?

I personally am a Nikon Fan. I Have yet to have any problems with my camera and the quality is great. But Canon is another great brand and i cant bad mouth them or tell you not to get them either. In The end it comes down to what you feel fits you better.
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In the limited use of Canon DSLRs that I have had, I prefer Nikon's bodies better but I will be using a 450D at school soon so I will be able to experiment further.
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tK FuRY
Go out and try the camera's out. Check the menus, the buttons positioning, ease of use, and ergonomics in your hand.

It's best to get a camera that's comfortable than having one that's a little bit better but is a PITA to hold.
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I'm already use to the Canon OS on my a590, if it's similar, should that be enought reason to take one of the other?

I seen a review, and with the sample pictures between thw two (both of the same thing) the Nikon seems to have better colours (Can always fix thaty later) and the Canon seemed to be a little sharper.

I think I'll go for the XS.

Oh, and also, For spending $550, will it be a HUGE upgrade from my a590IS?

Oh, and ALSO! When buying a lense, what does say 18-55mm mean?
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tK FuRY
18-55 is your focal length. 18 is wide while 55 is your tighter zoom length.
the f/x.x number is your aperture.

When you start buying more lenses, depending on your needs you go by those 2 numbers.
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So say, a 20-55 will give me a wider shot, and a 18-60 will give me a further zoom?

And, I've never really understood how to use aperture. Although, I understand what it does.

and thanksf or the help so far! +REP.
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tK FuRY
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So say, a 20-55 will give me a wider shot, and a 18-60 will give me a further zoom?

And, I've never really understood how to use aperture. Although, I understand what it does.

and thanksf or the help so far! +REP.

Technically but not really, You're not using both number, you're using one of them at a time.

The smaller number is wider, while the larger number is telephoto/zoom

a 12-24 will give you very wide, compared to a 70-200 (which will give you good mid range and telephoto)

18-55 gives you a good wide and decent mid range/telephoto. (some people won't call 55mm telephoto because it's still very short).

So in conclusion, the smaller the number the further away the shot will look, the larger - the tighter and closer the shot will be.

Aperture is somewhat opposite. You have f/stops , which are fractions of the focal length.

the smaller the number, the larger the opening and the SHALLOWER the DOF will be. (The more light it will let in too)

The larger the number, the smaller the opening and the Deeper the DOF will be. (The less light it will let in)
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I'm already use to the Canon OS on my a590, if it's similar, should that be enought reason to take one of the other?

I seen a review, and with the sample pictures between thw two (both of the same thing) the Nikon seems to have better colours (Can always fix thaty later) and the Canon seemed to be a little sharper.

I think I'll go for the XS.

Oh, and also, For spending $550, will it be a HUGE upgrade from my a590IS?

Oh, and ALSO! When buying a lense, what does say 18-55mm mean?
It will indeed be a quantum leap over your A590. The main difference is sensor size and image processing, which is worlds better in DSLRs compared to P&S cameras. With the XS, you will be able to use 800 and 1600 ISO with confidence, having very little (or at least manageable) noise. Also, shot-to-shot and burst speed are much better, not to mention the plethora of high-quality Canon lenses.

The 18-55 was adequately explained. For DSLR lenses, there is less of a "zoom factor" than on P&S lenses. There are 10x DSLR lenses (like the Canon 18-200), but typically the best quality is had from 2-3 lenses covering a typical focal range. In using your 18-55, you will get and idea about what focal lengths you use and need, which will help in buying future lenses.
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also just curious what is the price you are quotd for the XS? might be worthwhile to take a look at the XSI if they price isn't that huge though I understand if money is that tight.
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Technically but not really, You're not using both number, you're using one of them at a time.

The smaller number is wider, while the larger number is telephoto/zoom

a 12-24 will give you very wide, compared to a 70-200 (which will give you good mid range and telephoto)

18-55 gives you a good wide and decent mid range/telephoto. (some people won't call 55mm telephoto because it's still very short).

So in conclusion, the smaller the number the further away the shot will look, the larger - the tighter and closer the shot will be.

Aperture is somewhat opposite. You have f/stops , which are fractions of the focal length.

the smaller the number, the larger the opening and the SHALLOWER the DOF will be. (The more light it will let in too)

The larger the number, the smaller the opening and the Deeper the DOF will be. (The less light it will let in)
Wow! Thanks, that exactly what I was asking!
So, basically 18-55, means it can do FROM 18mm TO 55mm?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Focal_length.jpg

So, what kind of a lens would be good for taking pictures, say around 1m away, and still get a good DOF effect? Will the stock lens do it at all?

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It will indeed be a quantum leap over your A590. The main difference is sensor size and image processing, which is worlds better in DSLRs compared to P&S cameras. With the XS, you will be able to use 800 and 1600 ISO with confidence, having very little (or at least manageable) noise. Also, shot-to-shot and burst speed are much better, not to mention the plethora of high-quality Canon lenses.

The 18-55 was adequately explained. For DSLR lenses, there is less of a "zoom factor" than on P&S lenses. There are 10x DSLR lenses (like the Canon 18-200), but typically the best quality is had from 2-3 lenses covering a typical focal range. In using your 18-55, you will get and idea about what focal lengths you use and need, which will help in buying future lenses.
Good to hear! Yeah, for taking decent images, I pretty much need it on 80ISO and a tripod.


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also just curious what is the price you are quotd for the XS? might be worthwhile to take a look at the XSI if they price isn't that huge though I understand if money is that tight.
$515 at NCIX. XSi is $599 at BB.ca w/o lens

New Question: After I get use to my camera, and I really get into it, Do you think I'd regret not spending the extra money on a different camera? I've herd that you're supposed to spend the money in lenses and not the camera. (If you can only afford one or the other)
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Wow! Thanks, that exactly what I was asking!
So, basically 18-55, means it can do FROM 18mm TO 55mm?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Focal_length.jpg

So, what kind of a lens would be good for taking pictures, say around 1m away, and still get a good DOF effect? Will the stock lens do it at all?

Good to hear! Yeah, for taking decent images, I pretty much need it on 80ISO and a tripod.


$515 at NCIX. XSi is $599 at BB.ca w/o lens

New Question: After I get use to my camera, and I really get into it, Do you think I'd regret not spending the extra money on a different camera? I've herd that you're supposed to spend the money in lenses and not the camera. (If you can only afford one or the other)

That Wiki image you linked to illustrates perspective distortion, the more of which you get at wider focal lengths. By "good DOF effect," I'm assuming you mean a shallow DOF shot with a small in-focus area and a blurred background? If so, you want something with a very wide max aperture, a prime lens (fixed focal length lens). Canon's EF 50mm f/1.8 mkII is less than $100 USD and has very good IQ. It's max aperture of f/1.8 is about as wide as it gets (the EF 50mm f/1.4 USM is wider yet, but over $300).

I don't think you will regret not spending more, spend the difference on a prime lens.
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Shane1244
Wait, so I can't adjust the focus distance? So, I'd have to take the picture at the same distance every time?
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Wait, so I can't adjust the focus distance? So, I'd have to take the picture at the same distance every time?

You can adjust the focus, you just can't zoom.
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You can adjust the focus, you just can't zoom.

Oh, Okay. I seen some of your images, they are amazing. Do you have an idea of a lens I might want to upgrade to in the future? I really love DOF.
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The D3000 and XS really aren't the same class. The D3000 vs the XSi would be a closer comparison, and then I'd tell you to try both out, because YOU are going to determine the results you get, not the camera body. You're much more likely to shoot more often with a camera you enjoy and enjoy using.

So, go try them out in store.
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The D3000 and XS really aren't the same class. The D3000 vs the XSi would be a closer comparison, and then I'd tell you to try both out, because YOU are going to determine the results you get, not the camera body. You're much more likely to shoot more often with a camera you enjoy and enjoy using.

So, go try them out in store.
Well, they are both their lowest end DSLR's.

But yeah, that's a good idea, I'll bring a SD card with me, and take a few pictures in the store with each camera, and then bring them back own and compare.

I think I'll go for the Canon.
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$515 at NCIX. XSi is $599 at BB.ca w/o lens

New Question: After I get use to my camera, and I really get into it, Do you think I'd regret not spending the extra money on a different camera? I've herd that you're supposed to spend the money in lenses and not the camera. (If you can only afford one or the other)


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...USA-_-30120262

http://www.adorama.com/ICADRXSIBK.ht...25921288594284

though not sure how they handle shipping to canada on either one of them. if you look around though on the web there are places you can get the XSI with lens for around 600 or so USD.
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