Size of graphics cards that will fit. And the gfx card is 11.1 inches long. So I don't think it will fit from my understanding of what is on the manufacturers site. Also you can get some great deals on the Armors form the Thermaltake B-Stock store
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I can see the logic here.
I was going the 4850x2 because it seemed to be the thing to do based on all the hype i've read. However, If I am going to go a single card then is the 4870 really the way I should be going? I've put all my focus into the 4850x2 and know nothing about any other cards to suit my system.
Originally Posted by Drakan290 Not sure why you are getting a 4850x2, nor why people are recommending them. Shoddy, proprietary drivers; extra long length; and only manufactured by a single (bad) company. If you ever break your card, you have to pay a $35 resocking fee, AND ship the card both ways. I'd say go with either a 4850 crossfire solution (same performance, except you get graphics redundancy. If the 4850x2 breaks, no GPU for you. If a 4850 breaks, you still have an extra.) If you don't want dual cards, a 4870 1gb is more than enough performance for most people, even enthusiasts. It will run Crysis on high settings without pitching a fit, and it has support from official drivers. Also, if you pick ANY other card, and I stress ANY, you will not have a problem trying to fit it into a Armor case. |
I can see the logic here.
I was going the 4850x2 because it seemed to be the thing to do based on all the hype i've read. However, If I am going to go a single card then is the 4870 really the way I should be going? I've put all my focus into the 4850x2 and know nothing about any other cards to suit my system.
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The card is so new, thats the only reason. One company picked it up, because they saw potential, ATi didn't, and sold the rights to ONE GFX card maker company.
A buddy of mine had his for a month, loved it to death! Sold it, because he quit gaming, but a very nice card! If you do get it, get the 4850X2 2GB model, very nice!
Originally Posted by Drakan290 Not sure why you are getting a 4850x2, nor why people are recommending them. Shoddy, proprietary drivers; extra long length; and only manufactured by a single (bad) company. If you ever break your card, you have to pay a $35 resocking fee, AND ship the card both ways. I'd say go with either a 4850 crossfire solution (same performance, except you get graphics redundancy. If the 4850x2 breaks, no GPU for you. If a 4850 breaks, you still have an extra.) If you don't want dual cards, a 4870 1gb is more than enough performance for most people, even enthusiasts. It will run Crysis on high settings without pitching a fit, and it has support from official drivers. For your HDD, drop the 500gb Samsung, and pick up a WD6400AAKS or WD6401AALS (AALS has 5year warranty, AAKS has 3 year). Both of those two drives have performance similar to a WD Raptor 10k drive, due to their dense triple-platter design. Also, if you pick ANY other card, and I stress ANY, you will not have a problem trying to fit it into a Armor case. |
A buddy of mine had his for a month, loved it to death! Sold it, because he quit gaming, but a very nice card! If you do get it, get the 4850X2 2GB model, very nice!
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sheeesh for the same price, an equivalent amd system will pawn to death any intel build.
and you'd have to be a complete idiot rather than a noob if you think that the new amd cpus are very hard to overclock coz it's so untrue.
i don't friggin' understand why the heck would you have to suggest one, when it's clearly enough that the op wants an amd system. now go back to your own nest. don't start now
to the op, sapphire is good brand if you take care of their products well, to avoid rma. otherwise, go something like visiontek, xfx and asus.
Originally Posted by IamtheGTIguy I am NOT trying to start a flame war here, honest. But since the OP is a n00b I figured I would add this: For the most part, Intel makes faster processors that are easier to overclock than AMD. The phenom II's are certainly nice CPUs, but do some long and hard research before deciding on AMD in the present market. This is coming from someone who has owned both and who doesn't swear a silly allegiance to a corporation. If you are low on cash, might I suggest a P45 mobo + e7200 processor. If you want to go quad-core, I suggest a P45 mobo + Q6600 or Q8200. Either way, you are likely to get better performance out of the box, and have a hell of an easier time overclocking. Again, though, the Phenom II's are solid hardware. Just be sure to do some research before allowing the fanboys on here to dictate your purchasing decisions. |
and you'd have to be a complete idiot rather than a noob if you think that the new amd cpus are very hard to overclock coz it's so untrue.
i don't friggin' understand why the heck would you have to suggest one, when it's clearly enough that the op wants an amd system. now go back to your own nest. don't start now
to the op, sapphire is good brand if you take care of their products well, to avoid rma. otherwise, go something like visiontek, xfx and asus.
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Pointless Post IMHO^^^
The majority of that post is based off of your opinion. The 2 main things that I disagree with in your post is that the general speed of intel being faster than amd, and the overclock difficulty of AMD. Intel chips may overclock higher, but the process of overclocking is definitely easier with AMD (especially with their black editions). Phenom II's are also just as fast, if not faster, clock for clock as the chips that you have mentioned.
Anyways, I think your setup is good, maybe change the GPU as others have said.
Originally Posted by IamtheGTIguy I am NOT trying to start a flame war here, honest. But since the OP is a n00b I figured I would add this: For the most part, Intel makes faster processors that are easier to overclock than AMD. The phenom II's are certainly nice CPUs, but do some long and hard research before deciding on AMD in the present market. This is coming from someone who has owned both and who doesn't swear a silly allegiance to a corporation. If you are low on cash, might I suggest a P45 mobo + e7200 processor. If you want to go quad-core, I suggest a P45 mobo + Q6600 or Q8200. Either way, you are likely to get better performance out of the box, and have a hell of an easier time overclocking. Again, though, the Phenom II's are solid hardware. Just be sure to do some research before allowing the fanboys on here to dictate your purchasing decisions. |
The majority of that post is based off of your opinion. The 2 main things that I disagree with in your post is that the general speed of intel being faster than amd, and the overclock difficulty of AMD. Intel chips may overclock higher, but the process of overclocking is definitely easier with AMD (especially with their black editions). Phenom II's are also just as fast, if not faster, clock for clock as the chips that you have mentioned.
Anyways, I think your setup is good, maybe change the GPU as others have said.
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Relax there sparky. When I built my first build I was going to install a Pentium 4 @ 2.4GHz because I thought it was the fastest. I posted on a forum, and someone turned me on to the idea of an Athlon 64, and I was sold.
I have plenty of AMD systems. I also have plenty of Intel systems. I don't have allegiances to giant multi-national corporations that don't care about me. I buy whichever product is better, given my price range.
Here, it's at least adviseable that the Intel chips are a bit faster. It's nice that you like AMD, and you have fun with them. That's great. But they simply are not faster. Phenom II's, clock for clock, will rival a 65nm Core 2. BUt the 45nm Core 2's overclock much better, not to mention the Core i7's.
I really don't want to start a flame war. I obviously like AMD -- that's why I was reading this forum. But to say that I should go back to my "nest" for telling someone new to look into other options is asinine. Not to mention the fact that what I posted was, for the most part, pretty accurate.
Originally Posted by gerikoh sheeesh for the same price, an equivalent amd system will pawn to death any intel build. and you'd have to be a complete idiot rather than a noob if you think that the new amd cpus are very hard to overclock coz it's so untrue. i don't friggin' understand why the heck would you have to suggest one, when it's clearly enough that the op wants an amd system. now go back to your own nest. don't start now |
I have plenty of AMD systems. I also have plenty of Intel systems. I don't have allegiances to giant multi-national corporations that don't care about me. I buy whichever product is better, given my price range.
Here, it's at least adviseable that the Intel chips are a bit faster. It's nice that you like AMD, and you have fun with them. That's great. But they simply are not faster. Phenom II's, clock for clock, will rival a 65nm Core 2. BUt the 45nm Core 2's overclock much better, not to mention the Core i7's.
I really don't want to start a flame war. I obviously like AMD -- that's why I was reading this forum. But to say that I should go back to my "nest" for telling someone new to look into other options is asinine. Not to mention the fact that what I posted was, for the most part, pretty accurate.
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c2d MUCH BETTER than a ph2 in overclocking? what is this just based on some review sites with a multi oc with an increase in voltage without tweaking the rest? come on now. you can't even compare a $200 intel vs $200 amd simply because there's no contest. if you want an equivalent performing intel cpu for amd's $200, you'll have to pay $50 and so. and considering that amd chipsets are cheaper and are better than any lga 775 chipset.
oh the i7 is a different story. and it's the only chipset that i would consider over a ph2.
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to the op, since your mobo is not an nvidia chipset, go with ati.
if you just buy it from your local store, get the 1gb sapphire and check for issues. you can easily have it replaced since it's just at a local store. if not, go for the his iceq. they're good at ocing.
if you plan to fold, then go for nvidia. get the asus one.
Originally Posted by IamtheGTIguy Here, it's at least adviseable that the Intel chips are a bit faster. It's nice that you like AMD, and you have fun with them. That's great. But they simply are not faster. Phenom II's, clock for clock, will rival a 65nm Core 2. BUt the 45nm Core 2's overclock much better, not to mention the Core i7's. Not to mention the fact that what I posted was, for the most part, pretty accurate. |
oh the i7 is a different story. and it's the only chipset that i would consider over a ph2.
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to the op, since your mobo is not an nvidia chipset, go with ati.
if you just buy it from your local store, get the 1gb sapphire and check for issues. you can easily have it replaced since it's just at a local store. if not, go for the his iceq. they're good at ocing.
if you plan to fold, then go for nvidia. get the asus one.
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