[OFFICIAL] GTX 660 (NON TI) Owners Club.

Yungbenny911 · Nov 25, 2012

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Fill the form above to join the club. If you are a gtx 660 owner, this thread will be good to share information about overclocking and performance tweaking

. I currently have two Msi N660 twin forzer iii OC cards, and they are beast in sli!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AhM-5PNN88OvdEFIa1o3YTc0QVh2cDI3ZFlCejI2b3c&output=html&widget=true
Most popular GPU stats (Updated Monthly)

BIOS MODDING AVAILABLE! Thanks to Crazynutz.
Q: What is BIOS modding?
A: BIOS modding increases your GPU's voltage from 1.175mv to 1.212mv, giving you more overclocking headroom. It increases your TDP (maximum board power) to 170% MAX, and it also increases your Fan speed from 80%MAX to 100%MAX..

Follow the elaborated GUIDE below to mod and flash your BIOS. I do not take responsibility if you mess up your GPU, but i would do my best to help "IF" anything goes wrong somewhere

(which i doubt will be the case as long as you have a functioning brain)

Step 1: Download this Zip file

nvflash.zip 342k .zip file
and extract the "nvflash" folder to your desktop.

Step 2: Download and install GPU-Z V0.6.9, and save your ".rom" file to your desktop by clicking the the "save BIOS" button in GPU-Z.

Rename the saved BIOS file from "Gk106" or "Gk104" to "660.rom", and move it to the nvflash folder on your desktop.

Step 3: Run Cmd.exe (command prompt) and navigate to your Nvflash folder with this command line "cd desktop" [hit "Enter" on your keyboard]. "cd nvflash" [Hit "Enter" on your keyboard]. Then type "kgb.exe 660.rom unlock" [Hit Enter on your keyboard], and your BIOS should be unlocked. Your command prompt should look like the image below "IF" you did everything right.

Step 4: Close and re-open Cmd.exe (command prompt), and navigate to your Nvflash folder by using the command line. "cd desktop" [Hit Enter on your keyboard]. "cd Nvflash" [Hit Enter on your keyboard]. Then type "Nvflash -4 -5 -6 660.rom". At this stage, your command prompt screen should look like the image below

Hit Enter on your keyboard again, and another cmd window will open asking you if you want to continue flashing by pressing "Y" on your keyboard.

Press "Y" and it will proceed with flashing the card with the modded BIOS.

Step 5: To test if your card is running at 1.212mv, restart your computer, and download Nvidia Hair demo. Install and run it while running GPU-Z monitoring application in the background. If your Modding/Flash was successful and everything works fine. Your GPU should show up 1.212mv

NOTE: If you are having problems with GPU-Z and saving your BIOS, try to download your BIOS from your manufacturer's website, and take out ONLY the .ROM file, rename it to 660.rom, and move it to the nvflash folder for unlocking. Lucid Virtu Mvp software can also cause problems for you while trying to flash your BIOS. I will advice you uninstall that software as it plays no valuable/beneficial role to gaming. The latest Nvidia drivers are enough for any v-sync problems you might have in games.

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3Dmark 11

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6629319

FIRE STRIKE

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/490711

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http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4620106

Crysis 3 First Mission Max settings X8 MSAA

2013-04-14 02:54:40 - Crysis3
Frames: 25742 - Time: 629313ms (10.4 Mins) - Avg: 40.905 - Min: 26 - Max: 72

Crysis 3 First Mission Max settings X4 MSAA

2013-04-14 14:14:29 - Crysis3
Frames: 30803 - Time: 601672ms (10.03 Mins) - Avg: 51.196 - Min: 31 - Max: 86

Crysis 3 First Mission Max settings FXAA

2013-04-15 12:59:59 - Crysis3
Frames: 41557 - Time: 638532ms (10.6 Mins) - Avg: 65.082 - Min: 31 - Max: 101

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Metro Last Light SSAA Off (Very High) Tessellation

Tomb raider 1080p Ultimate Settings

Sleeping Dogs MAX Settings "HIGH" AA

Battlefield 3 64 Player match MAX settings

Benchmark Result with FRAPS
2013-03-30 18:45:50 - Bf3
Frames: 43515 - Time: 464593ms (7.7 minutes) - Avg: 93.663 - Min: 62 - Max: 192

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No need to read the silly argument raghu78 started, he does not know what he is saying, and you would find him on any forum that's Nvidia vs AMD ( He likes to argue a lot -_-" ). This was posted by a MODERATOR to settle the argument, turns out i win

Quote:

Originally Posted by brettjv

Speaking of this interminable debate you two are having, here's a pretty simple chart to settle the matter.

The 660 is a better bang-for-buck card than a 660ti, which is in turn a better bang-for-buck card than the 670, which is in turn ... etc, etc, etc.

You almost always pay a price premium for faster single cards. All the high-end cards are in the lower 1/2 of the chart in terms of value, and the medium-tier cards are the best value in terms of FPS/$.

Bottom-line the OP's claim that the 660ti isn't as good a bang for buck card as the 660 seems well borne out by available facts.

However, as you go up the charts, the loss of value vs. the actual performance improvement is pretty dang consistent. You lose about 10% of 'value' while gaining about 10-12% in 'performance' with each step up you make, from 660ti to 670 to 680. 'Diminishing returns', just like we (almost) always see, and likely always will.

raghu78 · Nov 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by Yungbenny911

why is there not a thread for this card?, you search the internet and all that comes out is that freaking overpriced 660 ti card

. No information what so ever about the 660 (non TI) which is priced better and could be overclocked to a good length.
If you are a 660 owner, this thread will be good to share information about overclocking and performance tweaking

I currently have two Msi N660 twin forzer OC cards, and they are beast in sli!

Does anyone know anything about bios modding on this cards?, every thread seems to be flooded with gtx 670/680 bios modding. The only ones with the 660ti are the forums you have to pay for subscription, I wonder why people even open such important threads on places you have to pay to even open a screenshot image lol

. Then there is literally ZERO threads with gtx 660 bios modding. -__-"

its good to have a GTX 660 users thread. but just to correct you the GTX 660 has worse price perf than GTX 660 Ti both at stock and overclocked performance. GTX 660 has the worst restrictions on overclocking in the entire GTX 600 series . read the article below.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/09/19/asus_geforce_gtx_660_directcu_ii_overclocking_review/3

"The GTX 660 is not an overclocker's GPU. It isn't the fault of ASUS however. It is the NVIDIA specified strict limit to the Power Target that is keeping us from achieving good overclocks. If some manufacturer were to come out with a custom GTX 660 that is able to provide us a higher Power Target, we could see some great overclocks out of this GPU"

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/09/17/asus_geforce_gtx_660_ti_directcu_ii_top_review/5

compare the performance data from both reviews and you are looking at 20 - 25% higher stock performance and 30% or higher performance when overclocked when GTX 660 is compared wrt to GTX 660 Ti. Performance never scales linearly with price. the GTX 680 is 10% faster than GTX 670 but costs 20 - 25% more. in that context the GTX 660 Ti costs 25 - 30% more but performance is also 25 - 30% more. GTX 660 Ti is the better card in terms of price perf.

HeadlessKnight · Nov 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by raghu78

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Well ... that doesn't mean GTX 660 is bad

. seriously there is no need to burst bubbles on the OP.
Let the guy be happy with his cards ...

Congratulations Yungbenny911 on your new cards

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Yungbenny911 · Nov 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by raghu78

its good to have a GTX 660 users thread. but just to correct you the GTX 660 has worse price perf than GTX 660 Ti both at stock and overclocked performance. GTX 660 has the worst restrictions on overclocking in the entire GTX 600 series . read the article below.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/09/19/asus_geforce_gtx_660_directcu_ii_overclocking_review/3
"The GTX 660 is not an overclocker's GPU. It isn't the fault of ASUS however. It is the NVIDIA specified strict limit to the Power Target that is keeping us from achieving good overclocks. If some manufacturer were to come out with a custom GTX 660 that is able to provide us a higher Power Target, we could see some great overclocks out of this GPU"
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/09/17/asus_geforce_gtx_660_ti_directcu_ii_top_review/5
compare the performance data from both reviews and you are looking at 20 - 25% higher stock performance and 30% or higher performance when overclocked when GTX 660 is compared wrt to GTX 660 Ti. Performance never scales linearly with price. the GTX 680 is 10% faster than GTX 670 but costs 20 - 25% more. in that context the GTX 660 Ti costs 25 - 30% more but performance is also 25 - 30% more. GTX 660 Ti is the better card in terms of price perf.

I seriously don't think you know what you are saying.... you are just reading silly benchmarks online, and have not owned a gtx 660

The 660Ti is moslty 100$ higher than the 660, and you say it's 25% higher????... Are you kidding me?
does this look like 25% to you? http://www.anandtech.com/show/6276/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-review-gk106-rounds-out-the-kepler-family/4

6 fps general average increase is not even close to 15% increase.. -__-.

I will not even argue with you... Paul on newegg will do it for me

keep in mind that two 660 are just about 20$ higher than a single 670... Look up more benchmarks before you post

,

My Msi twin forzer 3 660's can easily hit 1267 MHZ stable at stock voltage. And that Asus card in the benchmark you posted is a fail haha, it only got up to 1152Mhz.

Just as the benches show... the 660ti does better on 1680*1050, but on 1920*1200, the performance is really close.

raghu78 · Nov 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by Yungbenny911

I seriously don't think you know what you are saying.... you are just reading silly benchmarks online, and have not owned a gtx 660.

so have you owned a GTX 660 Ti to objectively compare both at stock and overclocked. you call hardocp silly. they are one of the most objective sites. they only run actual gameplay tests with fraps and provide data. interpret it the way you want to. here is a stock to stock comparison

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/09/13/asus_geforce_gtx_660_directcu_ii_video_card_review/11

here is another review . 15% faster stock for stock comparison.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_HAWK/28.html

1920 x 1200

GTX 660 - 92
GTX 660 Ti - 106
Quote:

The 660Ti is moslty 100$ higher than the 660, and you say it's 25% higher????...

100 bucks. more like 55 - 65 bucks. GTX 660 sells for 220 to 280 , GTX 660 Ti sells for 275 to 345. (275/220) = 1.25. exactly 25% higher cost.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709+600315498+600311818&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=48&description=&hisInDesc=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&AdvancedSearch=1&srchInDesc=

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709+600315498+600364399&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=48&description=&hisInDesc=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&AdvancedSearch=1&srchInDesc=

I understand you like your GTX 660. good. But don't talk it up as the best price perf card. its not. i challenge you to open up a thread with caption "GTX 660 vs GTX 660 Ti benchmarks". let users post their cards benchmarks in games with clockspeeds. and then you will get the correct understanding of the GTX 660 vs GTX 660 Ti.

adridu59 · Nov 25, 2012

I agree with raghu78, and well, he's not trashing you or anything, just refuting this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yungbenny911

you search the internet and all that comes out is that freaking overpriced 660 ti card

. No information what so ever about the 660 (non TI) which is priced better and could be overclocked to a good length.

Yungbenny911 · Nov 25, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by raghu78

so have you owned a GTX 660 Ti to objectively compare both at stock and overclocked. you call hardocp silly. they are one of the most objective sites. they only run actual gameplay tests with fraps and provide data. interpret it the way you want to. here is a stock to stock comparison

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/09/13/asus_geforce_gtx_660_directcu_ii_video_card_review/11
here is another review . 15% faster stock for stock comparison.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_HAWK/28.html
1920 x 1200
GTX 660 - 92
GTX 660 Ti - 106
100 bucks. more like 55 - 65 bucks. GTX 660 sells for 220 to 280 , GTX 660 Ti sells for 275 to 345. (275/220) = 1.25. exactly 25% higher cost.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709+600315498+600311818&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=48&description=&hisInDesc=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&AdvancedSearch=1&srchInDesc=
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709+600315498+600364399&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=48&description=&hisInDesc=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&AdvancedSearch=1&srchInDesc=
I understand you like your GTX 660. good. But don't talk it up as the best price perf card. its not. i challenge you to open up a thread with caption "GTX 660 vs GTX 660 Ti benchmarks". let users post their cards benchmarks in games with clockspeeds. and then you will get the correct understanding of the GTX 660 vs GTX 660 Ti.

Oh wow, Mister man... you are still talking more bull.

My point about the 660 being priced better than the 660ti does not just go between both cards you hear? it goes a long long way with all the 600 series. Just look at the gap between the 670 and the 660ti.
The 670FTW is sold for 379$ and 359$ after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787, and the gtx 660ti is sold for 319$ and 299$ after rebatehttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130817 .

You know what Mr calculator told me? he said it was 59$ difference haha

. So Mister man. Think to yourself, if the gtx 660ti is 20% faster than the 660 and is priced at 70$ higher, and the 670 is 25-35% faster than the 660ti and 60$ more, which card is priced better?.... Everyone knows that all nvidia cards are overpriced

, but among all of them, the 670 and the 660 are the best priced when compared to their AMD counterparts. I read a lot of stuff. And i would open that thread you suggested, but i don't think a lot of people have gtx 660's

Hey, and i don't feel trashed, haha, i had gtx 670's and 580's in the past

, i know how well they perform. And overpriced card to me is a card that does not show enough GAP between it and it's underling. The gtx 680 does not do that to the 670, making it overpriced, the 670 does that to the 660ti. And the 660ti IMO, fails to do that to the 660 (non Ti), but the 660 (non ti) does that to it's own underling the 650.... And hey, not insulting you, i just talk trash sometimes

.. i don't mean any harm for real

raghu78 · Nov 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by Yungbenny911

Oh wow, Mister man... you are still talking more bull.

My point about the 660 being priced better than the 660ti does not just go between both cards you hear? it goes a long long way with all the 600 series. Just look at the gap between the 670 and the 660ti.
The 670FTW is sold for 379$ and 359$ after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787, and the gtx 660ti is sold for 319$ and 299$ after rebatehttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130817 .
You know what Mr calculator told me? he said it was 59$ difference haha

. So Mister man. Think to yourself, if the gtx 660ti is 20% faster than the 660 and is priced at 70$ higher, and the 670 is 25-35% faster than the 660ti, which card is priced better?.... Everyone knows that all nvidia cards are overpriced

, but among all of them, the 670 and the 660 are the best priced when compared to their AMD counterparts. I read a lot of stuff. And i would open that thread you suggested, but i don't think a lot of people have gtx 660's

dude you picked the GTX 660 Ti 3GB card and compared it with a GTX 670 2GB. thats really very nice tactics to distort the real comparison. compare GTX 660 Ti 2GB with GTX 670 2GB. The GTX 670 4GB costs 450 bucks. (430 after rebate).

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130824

And FYI a GTX 670 is 17% faster on average than GTX 660 Ti .

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_660_HAWK/28.html

1920 x 1200

GTX 660 Ti - 106
GTX 670 - 124

and here are both cards from same vendor. 85 bucks difference. 305 vs 390. 27% higher price for 17% higher perf.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127697
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127685

you have got your facts completely wrong. just admit it. in terms of price perf among Nvidia cards the GTX 660 Ti is best. GTX 670 follows it. if you have doubts start a poll.

And lastly think why do many people not have the GTX 660. you should know the answer by now.

Yungbenny911 · Nov 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by raghu78

dude you picked the GTX 660 Ti 3GB card and compared it with a GTX 670 2GB. thats really very nice tactics to distort the real comparison. compare GTX 660 Ti 2GB with GTX 670 2GB. The GTX 670 4GB costs 450 bucks. (430 after rebate).
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130824

Here you go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130816 that's the 2gb version for 319$, my mistake, i thought i got this one (opened two tabs)

swallow tongue much?

I know what i am saying Mr

Oh and FYI, in the benches you posted about the difference between the 670 and the 660ti. Take a look at this, the 660ti is14% higher than the 660, and the 670 is 18% higher than the 660ti, so i don't think your earlier 25% difference is correct is it?... you contradict yourself

Bloodys · Nov 25, 2012

Either game benchmarks are failure or somthing but I had gtx660 for week and then switchet to gtx660ti ...ti version runed alot better it overclocked like beast and still was silent and runed cool

raghu78 · Nov 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by Yungbenny911

Here you go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130816 that's the 2gb version for 319$, my mistake, i thought i got this one (opened two tabs)
swallow tongue much?

I know what i am saying Mr

Come on now. how difficult is it for someone to pick up a badly priced GTX 670 2GB. 440 bucks. lets not get into this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130843

Yungbenny911 · Nov 25, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by raghu78

Come on now. how difficult is it for someone to pick up a badly priced GTX 670 2GB. 440 bucks. lets not get into this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130843

stay on track, now you are going into two fans, haha, get me something that is a FTW, and single fan on newegg, that cooler is not the Evga reference cooler mate

That card is different.

raghu78 · Nov 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by Yungbenny911

stay on track, now you are going into two fans, haha, get me something that is a FTW, and single fan on newegg, that cooler is not the Evga reference cooler mate

That card is different.

i already mentioned the msi power edition cards. here is the asus direct cu cards. identical cooler. 120 bucks difference. i guess you won' t back off even when you are proven wrong.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121653
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121637

lets stick to our respective views.

WR6133 · Nov 25, 2012

It's a silly arguement as value is defined by the user/buyer. Personally as I bought a 670 I think thats the best value as it was less than the 680 but still maxes out anything I throw at it. There is one fact that is the 660 is not as good as the 660ti argueing over the value of that performance diference is stupid and to be honest if you could have afforded 660ti or a 670 you would have bought them and if you claim otherwise I call you a liar nobody buys less performance than they can afford just to get perceived "value".

TLDR - You could afford 660's whoohoo nobody cares enjoy them all you want but stop claiming they are better than the better card

adridu59 · Nov 25, 2012

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Originally Posted by raghu78

i guess you won' t back off even when you are proven wrong.

Yungbenny911 · Nov 25, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by WR6133

if you could have afforded 660ti or a 670 you would have bought them and if you claim otherwise I call you a liar nobody buys less performance than they can afford just to get perceived "value".

Seriously? -__- now i am a liar... "IF you could afford" that's a stupid statement considering you don't even know me. Just don't go there Mr, i don't want to be a douche and gloat, but yes i could afford a gtx 660 ti sli at the time i got the two 660's and even a 670 sli (a lot of people can), but there is a thing like "waste of money" to me. Do i really need that performance of two 670's and are two 660ti worth it in sli compared to the 660's ATM?. The answer is NO.

It's my opinion, i even started a thread about going 660ti sli or single 670 and everyone chose the 670 over the 660ti sli saying its an overpriced card. and i finally went with what one of them suggested after watching a lot of videos http://www.overclock.net/t/1327747/660-ti-sli-or-single-gtx-670-confused/0_20

Do you tell the AMD buyers that if they could afford a 600 series card they will buy it because Nvidia supports physx?.... Not everyone reasons like that, the point is to have optimum performance per dollar and satisfaction, and to me i have that now. And i am comfortable. Don't bring that bull to me mate.

FYI i had a 670 and i sold it and got a these two cards, just as i said before, i did not need the performance of two 670's, i want to have the option to upgrade to 700 series or what ever AMD will bring to the table next year. two 670's are overkill for me right now and two 660ti's are not worth the money to me.

This is just like the Nvidia vs AMD wars, no one wins!, so it's best not to even start it.

It's immature to see someone say, i don't like AMD, and you go, W'T'F did you say??? hahaha, everyone has a reason for what they say. It's stupid to try to refute them when you don't know their reason, in my case, i am a multi video card user that's why. maybe if i was a single card user i would prefer the 660ti to the 660.

DzillaXx · Nov 25, 2012

I think the 660 is Nvidia's best card price to performance wise. Even though it is about equal to a 7850 with 12.11, its not incredibly more expensive. At Stock it puts up solid numbers, but the Min FPS on most games are still something I not the biggest fan of. But thats a problem with all 600 series cards more or less.

The only two Nvidia cards that are actually worth it are the GTX660 and GTX670, but I would still go AMD but this is a Nvidia thread after all.

Lordred · Nov 26, 2012

/carefully raises hand.

I have a GTX 660.

/ducks.

Yungbenny911 · Nov 26, 2012

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Originally Posted by Lordred

/carefully raises hand.
I have a GTX 660.
/ducks.

Hahaha

, I know how you feel

. I have my two cards volt modded with Crazynuts bios unlocking tool, and my primary card runs at 1280Mhz core clock, and +300mhz on the memory clock. I am on my laptop now, so i can't tell the memory clock value. But it think it's 6025mhz or something like that. What are your stable clock speeds, and are you interested in Volt modding your 660 SC?

Lordred · Nov 26, 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yungbenny911

Hahaha

, I know how you feel

. I have my two cards volt modded with Crazynuts bios unlocking tool, and my primary card runs at 1280Mhz core clock, and +300mhz on the memory clock. I am on my laptop now, so i can't tell the memory clock value. But it think it's 6025mhz or something like that. What are your stable clock speeds, and are you interested in Volt modding your 660 SC?

I'm actually quiet happy with stock and limited to 80% power limit

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