[bscool]

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“lol”

I don’t think you are getting this. The Apex should be able to handle vanilla stock XMP like the Extreme and Hero. All those motherboards have a tough time with vanilla XMP, and there are no excuses for not being handling that.

But it has been like that forever. I have gskill ddr4 4600c18 and 4800c18 kits that will not run xmp on z390, z490 etc even though as QVL. These top bins have always needed manual tweaking. On dd4 you see it all the time people get 4266 or even 4400 kits and they cant run them with XMP.

 

[bscool]

agreed, but same CPU flies perfectly fine with vanilla XMP on a UnifyX, while two Apex boards fail to boot. That’s my data point (let’s not grift about uSeR eRrORz here).

Asus has an XMP problem, and that is across the board. No amount of mental gymnastics can fix that, and if this is just terrible hardware design than no amount of BIOS updates will fix that either.

but yes, if one is a tinkerer they can make the Apex work, sure. No arguments there.

I usually buy both MSI and Asus and in my experience MSI sets sub timings a bit looser so even though you might run say 64000c30 on MSI 6200c30 on Asus might be faster if you bench them using bios defaults/XMP.

So it is kind of a useless comparison comparing XMP to XMP. I can see from a "generic" user end point most wont care if it is faster at 62000 they think big number better. But many people are dumb/ignorant lets be honest.

 

[sblantipodi]

The SPD hub is right next to the PMIC. If you have a pad on the PMIC covering all the parts, you're also covering the SPD hub.


It's always the same thing over here with these corporate cheerleaders. Criticize Asus in general (or the Apex in particular), and you get these people trying their best to deflect away from it. There were people actually trying to deflect away from the fact that Z690 Heros were blowing up when we already knew that there were boards out there with components that were mounted the wrong way.

Extreme is the worst mobo of the batch.
I have mounted the same CPU and memory on the Hero and I can achieve 600MHz more from the same sticks with the same voltages and latencies

 

[mikasalo500]

Extreme is the worst mobo of the batch.
I have mounted the same CPU and memory on the Hero and I can achieve 600MHz more from the same sticks with the same voltages and latencies

I feel the same. I bought the Extreme for a lot of money, also because I think it looks great, but nothing worked. Maximum 5600 with fast timings. Tested different rams but always the same. Then I bought the Apex and since then the Ram has been running with 6400 or 6600 (I'm still testing that stably)

 

[7empe]

I feel the same. I bought the Extreme for a lot of money, also because I think it looks great, but nothing worked. Maximum 5600 with fast timings. Tested different rams but always the same. Then I bought the Apex and since then the Ram has been running with 6400 or 6600 (I'm still testing that stably)

Apex and Extreme have different topologies (T vs Daisy Chain), so not supprised that Extreme cannot keep up the pace. Not sure with Hero though

 

[bscool]

Apex and Extreme have different topologies (T vs Daisy Chain), so not supprised that Extreme cannot keep up the pace. Not sure with Hero though

I dont think that is correct. 2 dim vs 4 but neither is t toplogy. Where did you get this? All z690 are daisy chain as far as I know.

 

[7empe]

I dont think that is correct. 2 dim vs 4 but neither is t toplogy. Where did you get this? All z690 are daisy chain as far as I know.

Uhm, didn't know that it has changed. So what topology is used for 2-dimmers? Daisy chain? When did they change this? I can't find any paper on this.

 

[Nizzen]

Extreme sux...
Or?

😎

 

[IronAge]

Uhm, didn't know that it has changed. So what topology is used for 2-dimmers? Daisy chain? When did they change this? I can't find any paper on this.

T-topology is history since Comet Lake.

 

[munternet]

I'm pretty happy with the Apex so far
12900k SP85 running all cores
The ram has trained every time and booted XMP 6000c40 straight off. Also booted 7000 but failed to enter windows at just 1.4v.
I just set a few values tonight after work at 6400MHz and it looks promising and games well in BF2042
Still no cooling on the ram yet, not even a fan and the ambient is ~28°c at the PC so they errored about 15 mins into extreme anta777 when they hit ~60°c but other than that this seems like a good starting point

 

[satinghostrider]

Extreme sux...
Or?

😎

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Those are binned rams and probably a binned CPU.
It will of course do that. Those rams are not even for sale. I think alot of these issues that point to people not being able to run stable is due to the limitation of their individual memory controller on the CPU. It sure seems that way.

 

[sippo]

What do you think about:

12900k 5.2 alll core, 6933 30-40-40-30

Result is: low, high or ok ?
(sotr steam version)

 

[Nizzen]

What do you think about:

12900k 5.2 alll core, 6933 30-40-40-30

Result is: low, high or ok ?
(sotr steam version)

View attachment 2547680

Looks about right. Show us Aida 64 pleace

 

[Nizzen]

Those are binned rams and probably a binned CPU.
It will of course do that. Those rams are not even for sale. I think alot of these issues that point to people not being able to run stable is due to the limitation of their individual memory controller on the CPU. It sure seems that way.

Yes!

 

[sippo]

Looks about right. Show us Aida 64 pleace

30-40-40-26

 

[geriatricpollywog]

What do you think about:

12900k 5.2 alll core, 6933 30-40-40-30

Result is: low, high or ok ?
(sotr steam version)

View attachment 2547680

Don’t listen to him, it should be 370+. Disable e-cores and HT, raise ring clock to 48 or higher.

 

[sippo]

Don’t listen to him, it should be 370+. Disable e-cores and HT, raise ring clock to 48 or higher.

Result is worse than with e,ht.
Tried 3 times. HT - disabled, E-core - disabled. Ring:50, CPU 53. - Always GPU Restriction from 20-30% :/ - strange

Raw CPU score is better but overall everything is restricted by GPU - I dont know why :/

HT - disabled, E-core - disabled. Ring:50, CPU 53.

avg = 421

HT - enabled. E - enabled, Ring 42, CPU 53

avg =352

Also after disabling ecores, ht, windows:

 

[Nizzen]

Result is worse than with. Tried 3 times. HT - disabled, E-core - disabled. Ring:50, CPU 53.
GPU Restriction from 20-30% :/ - strange

Raw CPU score is better but overall everything is restricted by GPU - I dont know why :/

HT - disabled, E-core - disabled. Ring:50, CPU 53.
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avg = 421

HT - enabled. E - enabled, Ring 42, CPU 53

View attachment 2547695

avg =352


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421 is crazy!

 

[Sayenah]

Hey, I am just curious, not my business ofc, but, did you buy Apex to run XMP profiles on it? I am asking because if I am not mistaken, you got Asus, and you seems to be kinda biased with XMP profiles, which does not make sense to me at all. But as I said, not my business, no need to reply if you don´t want to.

Dude, really, stop this cope. Not being able to run XMP profiles is an issue. It has nothing to do with personal preferences. That is an advertised feature on RAM as well as the damn motherboard itself. Keep on simping for Asus by gatekeeping your manual OC’ing fetish.

MSI has gotten it right, Asus has either not gotten it right or cannot get it right. You are missing a huge advertised feature at a higher price point. Now it begs the question, why is that feature not working? Is it because the hardware is not capable of supporting increasingly tighter timings at faster speeds and requires tons of manual intervention? Is it just bad software? Rhetorical questions, really. Again, MSI got this right. And from what I am seeing on Reddit even Gigabyte has begun to take a dump on Asus in terms of memory compatibility.

 

[fortecosi]

Dude, really, stop this cope. Not being able to run XMP profiles is an issue. It has nothing to do with personal preferences. That is an advertised feature on RAM as well as the damn motherboard itself. Keep on simping for Asus by gatekeeping your manual OC’ing fetish.

MSI has gotten it right, Asus has either not gotten it right or cannot get it right. You are missing a huge advertised feature at a higher price point. Now it begs the question, why is that feature not working? Is it because the hardware is not capable of supporting increasingly tighter timings at faster speeds and requires tons of manual intervention? Is it just bad software? Rhetorical questions, really. Again, MSI got this right. And from what I am seeing on Reddit even Gigabyte has begun to take a dump on Asus in terms of memory compatibility.

Uhm, ok, yes, what to say... you have no idea how XMP works. I think you are gonna find more answers you like to see on the reddit, than here. But it´s ok, I will stop it. Just wanted to know your reasons.