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Just got two Dell AT101W's. They're pretty nice, but kinda dirty. What should I use to clean them. Isopropyl alcohol? Definitely time for some mods. I'll probably dye them black, mod one to linear switches for gaming and leave one for typing.
 

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70%+ Isopropyl alky and Q-tips work like a charm on most any electronic equipment. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">70%+ Isopropyl alky and Q-tips work like a charm on most any electronic equipment. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile"></div>
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some people say 70%+, others 90%+, i go with 90 to be on the safe side
 

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i really want a mechanical keyboard but don't know which one to get. Do you guys recommend one over the other? Is the Das Keyboard Model S Professional the one to get?
 

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Cool thx I'll get them cleaned up soon <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin">. It's really weird typing on them. Its kinda loud. Even my laptop keys feel soft now <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/eek.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="EEK!">.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">some people say 70%+, others 90%+, i go with 90 to be on the safe side</div>
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Yeah, I use some 91% stuff that I get at Walgreens, but 70% works just as well.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">i really want a mechanical keyboard but don't know which one to get. Do you guys recommend one over the other? Is the Das Keyboard Model S Professional the one to get?</div>
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It's complex. The Filco Majestouch is probably the "best" in most respects, or at least the fully featured models are. I've heard that Das is just meh, but it's still better than most rubber domes. If you want something cheaper the ABS M1 and Unicomp Customizer are good, and have contrasting feature sets. Finally, you could go vintage and pick up an IBM Model M or Dell AT101W on Ebay for $15-40 shipped.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It's complex. The Filco Majestouch is probably the "best" in most respects, or at least the fully featured models are. I've heard that Das is just meh, but it's still better than most rubber domes. If you want something cheaper the ABS M1 and Unicomp Customizer are good, and have contrasting feature sets. Finally, you could go vintage and pick up an IBM Model M or Dell AT101W on Ebay for $10-25 shipped.</div>
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Do you say it is complex because there are so many good ones or is it because different keyboards are for different needs? Is it impossible to say what is the best mechanical keyboard out right now?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Do you say it is complex because there are so many good ones or is it because different keyboards are for different needs? Is it impossible to say what is the best mechanical keyboard out right now?</div>
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Exactly. Keyswitches are the biggest difference. Everyone likes different types of keyswitches. From what I can recall, there's:<br><br>
Buckling spring<br>
White/Black Alps<br>
Cherry MX/ML Black, Blue, White, Brown, etc.<br><br>
Each one has a different combination of clickyness, tactileness, and stiffness. Just about any keyswitch will feel better than a rubberdome, but you won't know which ones you prefer without trying them all.<br><br><br>
There's also other things to consider. USB vs. PS/2 (PS/2 is preferred because it's a fraction faster and allows for NKRO, but USB is more convenient), matrix design (NKRO/6+4 (on USB) means all keys can register simultaneously, otherwise certain combinations may not work), sculped vs. flat (sculpted is usually more comfortable), number pad or no, backlighting or no, and construction quality. Everyone has their own preferences on most of these things as well.<br><br><br><br>
The Filco Majestouch is probably the easiest to call "the best". It's sculpted (usually considered a good thing), can be ordered with any Cherry MX keyswitches, has the option of NKRO, you can get a tenkeyless version (no number pad), and has very good construction quality. The Cherry MX switches:<br>
Cherry MX Black - Very stiff, tactile, but non-clicky. If you like a very stiff key this is a good choice, some people like them for gaming, others don't<br>
Cherry MX Blue - Moderate, tactile, clicky. Often considered some of the best typing switches. If you type a lot and don't mind clicky noise this is a good choice.<br>
Cherry MX Brown - Moderate, tactile, non-clicky. Somewhat of a compromise between the Blues and Blacks. Often chosen by gamers who don't like the stiff springs of Blacks, but don't want the clickyness of Blues.<br><br><br><br>
However, sometimes a cheaper board will serve in the Filco's stead. If you want a sculpted keyboard with moderate stiffness keys that are clicky, you could pick up a used IBM Model M keyboard that will work almost/as/better than a Filco with Cherry MX Blues (depending on preference), for just $20-50 instead of $120+.<br><br><br><br>
So it's complicated. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Exactly. Keyswitches are the biggest difference. Everyone likes different types of keyswitches. From what I can recall, there's:<br><br>
Buckling spring<br>
White/Black Alps<br>
Cherry MX/ML Black, Blue, White, Brown, etc.<br><br>
Each one has a different combination of clickyness, tactileness, and stiffness. Just about any keyswitch will feel better than a rubberdome, but you won't know which ones you prefer without trying them all.<br><br><br>
There's also other things to consider. USB vs. PS/2 (PS/2 is preferred because it's a fraction faster and allows for NKRO, but USB is more convenient), matrix design (NKRO/6+4 (on USB) means all keys can register simultaneously, otherwise certain combinations may not work), sculped vs. flat (sculpted is usually more comfortable), number pad or no, backlighting or no, and construction quality. Everyone has their own preferences on most of these things as well.<br><br><br><br>
The Filco Majestouch is probably the easiest to call "the best". It's sculpted (usually considered a good thing), can be ordered with any Cherry MX keyswitches, has the option of NKRO, you can get a tenkeyless version (no number pad), and has very good construction quality. The Cherry MX switches:<br>
Cherry MX Black - Very stiff, tactile, but non-clicky. If you like a very stiff key this is a good choice, some people like them for gaming, others don't<br>
Cherry MX Blue - Moderate, tactile, clicky. Often considered some of the best typing switches. If you type a lot and don't mind clicky noise this is a good choice.<br>
Cherry MX Brown - Moderate, tactile, non-clicky. Somewhat of a compromise between the Blues and Blacks. Often chosen by gamers who don't like the stiff springs of Blacks, but don't want the clickyness of Blues.<br><br><br><br>
However, sometimes a cheaper board will serve in the Filco's stead. If you want a sculpted keyboard with moderate stiffness keys that are clicky, you could pick up a used IBM Model M keyboard that will work almost/as/better than a Filco with Cherry MX Blues (depending on preference), for just $20-50 instead of $120+.<br><br><br><br>
So it's complicated. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"></div>
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Thanks so much for the info. +1 Rep
 

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In! Just got a Model M13. Thing is really cool.
 

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Hey just wondering, is there a mod I can do to make the at101w's quieter? I noticed most of the noise isn't the keyswitch, it's the key physically hitting the board. Any ideas? Or will I learn to type without bottoming the keys out eventually?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Hey just wondering, is there a mod I can do to make the at101w's quieter? I noticed most of the noise isn't the keyswitch, it's the key physically hitting the board. Any ideas? Or will I learn to type without bottoming the keys out eventually?</div>
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If you really wanted to, you could take off all the keys and put down some sort of foam mat to silence the keys hitting the floor, but I think that would sort of ruin the whole thing.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Exactly. Keyswitches are the biggest difference. Everyone likes different types of keyswitches. From what I can recall, there's:<br />
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Buckling spring <br />
White/Black Alps<br />
Cherry MX/ML Black, Blue, White, Brown, etc.<br />
<br />
Each one has a different combination of clickyness, tactileness, and stiffness. Just about any keyswitch will feel better than a rubberdome, but you won't know which ones you prefer without trying them all.<br />
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There's also other things to consider. USB vs. PS/2 (PS/2 is preferred because it's a fraction faster and allows for NKRO, but USB is more convenient), matrix design (NKRO/6+4 (on USB) means all keys can register simultaneously, otherwise certain combinations may not work), sculped vs. flat (sculpted is usually more comfortable), number pad or no, backlighting or no, and construction quality. Everyone has their own preferences on most of these things as well.<br />
<br />
The Filco Majestouch is probably the easiest to call "the best". It's sculpted (usually considered a good thing), can be ordered with any Cherry MX keyswitches, has the option of NKRO, you can get a tenkeyless version (no number pad), and has very good construction quality. The Cherry MX switches:<br />
Cherry MX Black - Very stiff, tactile, but non-clicky. If you like a very stiff key this is a good choice, some people like them for gaming, others don't<br />
Cherry MX Blue - Moderate, tactile, clicky. Often considered some of the best typing switches. If you type a lot and don't mind clicky noise this is a good choice.<br />
Cherry MX Brown - Moderate, tactile, non-clicky. Somewhat of a compromise between the Blues and Blacks. Often chosen by gamers who don't like the stiff springs of Blacks, but don't want the clickyness of Blues.<br />
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However, sometimes a cheaper board will serve in the Filco's stead. If you want a sculpted keyboard with moderate stiffness keys that are clicky, you could pick up a used IBM Model M keyboard that will work almost/as/better than a Filco with Cherry MX Blues (depending on preference), for just $20-50 instead of $120+.<br />
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So it's complicated. <img src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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</div>Cherry MX Black switches are not tactile. They're linear.<br />
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Here's a diagram <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><br />
<img src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_epC7JlpD1hg/SCTJxlk_sgI/AAAAAAAAACk/-X-Vm3V9HM4/s400/Key-force-graph-1.gif" border="0" alt="" onload="NcodeImageResizer.createOn(this);" /><img src="http://teamvga.com/files/cherrymx.png" border="0" alt="" onload="NcodeImageResizer.createOn(this);" /><br />
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Those are the common MX switches. <br />
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Also Model M's don't have sculpted key caps, but the actual keyboard is curved. The Das uses Blues switches, and the silent Das uses Brown switches. Another thing to note is Elite Keyboards has special made Filcos with blue switches. They also have some with blank key caps. <br />
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I like brown switches, much better than the ABS M1, which has heavy tactile switches.
 

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lol have any of you tried typing on the bare switches? It is somehow satisfying. I gutted one of my two dells and just finished making the switches linear. I'm typing on it right now, just the board and the switches, no plastic connected. I'll do some more mods, but so far I like the feel of the linear switches, especially for the brief gaming I did. <br />
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It's kinda hard to type on this at first, but after a while I'm starting to get it with less errors. The tiny spacebar and shift keys take a few minutes to get used to. <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
 

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Hey guys! Today is my birthday and my wife surprised me with a Das Professional S. I want in! Thanks!
 

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What kind of wrist pad do you guys recommend for your mechanical keyboard? I just got the Das Model S and it is a little high.
 

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I ordered <a href="http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,palm_rests" target="_blank">the leather Filco one</a>. Haven't got it yet, it just got passed customs. Looks really good and a lot of people like it. <u>T</u><a href="http://www.softworqs.com/ergonomics/palm-rest.html" target="_blank">hese</a> seems to be popular too.<br />
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<a href="http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/components_wrist_rests.html" target="_blank">Here</a> and <a href="http://www.wisegeek.com/do-i-need-a-wrist-rest-for-my-mouse-pad-and-keyboard.htm" target="_blank">here</a> is some good info about wrist rests.
 

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I have a <a href="http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_87key&pid=fkbn87mnpek" target="_blank">Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless Otaku (Cherry MX Brown</a>) coming in.<br />
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Should arrive in 2 days. I'll keep you guys posted. In the mean time, I'm looking for a wrist pad b/c I'm not convinced that I should buy the <a href="http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?pid=fkbprmb" target="_blank">Filco one</a> which costs 1/3 the price of the keyboard
 
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